I just don't "get" the reasoning on Transcend. Why does a soft-claim make someone mafia? Again, you're hinting at a lot of other reasons here (out of game) that don't really help me.In post 572, TwoFace wrote:why do people always want to do that? just cause we caught scum easily, doesn't mean you have to downplay my logic. I mean even if it isn't as sound as I think it is, chalk it up to scum caught for the wrong reasons.In post 569, hapahauli wrote:Because your logic might not be as sound as you think it is?
bottom line is they are scum and anyone who thinks either of them are town, better just save their breath cause you won't be able to convince me to change it without some damn good evidence or a damn good case on somebody else.
More so than focusing on one fight, I'm thinking of the people who have been very involved in the discussion (some of them were debatably not screaming but they've still been in the spotlight): <rb, ThinkBig, TwoFace, Boonskiies, eagerSnake, Transcend, me>. And I think that among them, tabling PR discussion removes eager and Transcend (and me) and so statistically there's probably scum in the other four. I never said they can't be all town, but I think that's just unlikely.In post 553, hapahauli wrote:You're making the same fallacy. Why can't a bunch of idiots screaming at each other be all town? Anyway, I'm more interested in below...In post 547, Something_Smart wrote:It implies that the answer can't be both. With the amount of idiots screaming at each other this game has had, one of them is almost certainly scum. Though I am in agreement that the right place to look for scum right now is in the people in the background.In post 543, hapahauli wrote:How is it false? It's what I see happen repeatedly in games on this site. People go after the loud, controversial targets for lynches, and mafia lets town eat itself alive.
Useless setup discussion, pointless posts like 511 and 528 that strike me as him trying to appear carefree except they're just awkward.What are your reasons?Why are those two things inconsistent? I think Eddie is scum, but not for the reasons you listed.Why are you even attacking my reasoning if you are suspicious of EddieCane as well? To be voting him in this spot, you should realize that most of what I'm saying is valid.
used my awesome scum hunting prowess and hand delivered 2 scum to everyone to lynch for starters.In post 574, eagerSnake wrote:Well what have u done that was so townie
Confidence with reasoning is townie. Confidence without reasoning points to extra information.first you say bad reads aren't alignment indicative. most people say confidence is townie, so why is me not acting paranoid scummy? should I be shading every person I read? I can throw out town reads as much as I want early d1, it's d1 this isn't the time for lock and key cases.
I considered it. I don't think transcends behaviour is alignment indicative. he is a trolly player by nature and this is basically part for the course. half the games I'm in with transcend he's been lynched d1, and nearly always he's town. I said this as scum in Twoface's game and it is the truth: I don't lynch transcend d1 as a policy. risk vs reward dictates he's far more likely to flip town. also, I've seen him be a pr at l-1 and refuse to claim anything, or claim vt anything and flip pr. he despite trolling is not like momo for example because he is a competent player, so I'll never support lynching him d1 short of a flat out scum slip and I think it's a mistake
elaboration: I town read them. not strong enough to make a case. I'm not going to argue against a lynch on someone I am only 60% sure is town. I think lynching RB due to his sheer amount of content is stupid, especially since I feel a lot of his attention is due to his attitude. eager gives me a town vibe in attitude, weaker than RB. oh, and you agree with my reads so...
I'll group these all here, because they miss the point. My issue is not with individual reads. It's all of them combined. Having all these reads combined with the justification that you have provided simply isn't believable.so you are telling me you have never had a gut read before?_? that's actually cute. explain how they "point to something mafia-motivated " btw cus thst sounds like random shit slinging.
I mean that's basically what I'm getting at.In post 579, Something_Smart wrote: Useless setup discussion, pointless posts like 511 and 528 that strike me as him trying to appear carefree except they're just awkward.
And I just get pings from a lot of what he is doing, like defending Transcend and being unable to explain his reads.
In post 578, hapahauli wrote:I just don't "get" the reasoning on Transcend. Why does a soft-claim make someone mafia? Again, you're hinting at a lot of other reasons here (out of game) that don't really help me.In post 572, TwoFace wrote:why do people always want to do that? just cause we caught scum easily, doesn't mean you have to downplay my logic. I mean even if it isn't as sound as I think it is, chalk it up to scum caught for the wrong reasons.In post 569, hapahauli wrote:Because your logic might not be as sound as you think it is?
bottom line is they are scum and anyone who thinks either of them are town, better just save their breath cause you won't be able to convince me to change it without some damn good evidence or a damn good case on somebody else.
Also with the RB stuff, I see townies being super hypocritical all the time, and I don't understand why it's confirmed mafia as opposed to confirmed dumb.
Yeah but I don't scumread him because I disagree with his reads (and for the record, that's something scum do more often than town in my experience).In post 582, hapahauli wrote:I mean that's basically what I'm getting at.In post 579, Something_Smart wrote: Useless setup discussion, pointless posts like 511 and 528 that strike me as him trying to appear carefree except they're just awkward.
And I just get pings from a lot of what he is doing, like defending Transcend and being unable to explain his reads.
Putting a ton of effort into useless town-reads and setup speculation as opposed to pushing scumreads and finding mafia.
Atleast try to help me understand this bruh.In post 583, TwoFace wrote:In post 578, hapahauli wrote:I just don't "get" the reasoning on Transcend. Why does a soft-claim make someone mafia? Again, you're hinting at a lot of other reasons here (out of game) that don't really help me.In post 572, TwoFace wrote:why do people always want to do that? just cause we caught scum easily, doesn't mean you have to downplay my logic. I mean even if it isn't as sound as I think it is, chalk it up to scum caught for the wrong reasons.In post 569, hapahauli wrote:Because your logic might not be as sound as you think it is?
bottom line is they are scum and anyone who thinks either of them are town, better just save their breath cause you won't be able to convince me to change it without some damn good evidence or a damn good case on somebody else.
Also with the RB stuff, I see townies being super hypocritical all the time, and I don't understand why it's confirmed mafia as opposed to confirmed dumb.
I really hope you aren't town. I can't take losing yet another game because people can't see scum right in front of their face.
this game is giving me a headache now
I don't disagree with most of his reads. It's only the arona and TB reads I really disagree with. Also, I really don't care that he's individually reading Arona town and TB mafia.In post 584, Something_Smart wrote:Yeah but I don't scumread him because I disagree with his reads (and for the record, that's something scum do more often than town in my experience).In post 582, hapahauli wrote:I mean that's basically what I'm getting at.In post 579, Something_Smart wrote: Useless setup discussion, pointless posts like 511 and 528 that strike me as him trying to appear carefree except they're just awkward.
And I just get pings from a lot of what he is doing, like defending Transcend and being unable to explain his reads.
Putting a ton of effort into useless town-reads and setup speculation as opposed to pushing scumreads and finding mafia.
Sounds like you disagree with more than two.In post 532, hapahauli wrote:I think one or two bad town reads are individually excusable. All of them combined point to something mafia-motivated.
your first mistake is thinking that the soft claim is why I think he is mafia. I was pretty sure he was mafia before the soft claim even happened. I was pretty sure he was mafia when I voted him the first time. When he made the mistake later by cc'ing the miller claim and then tried to play it off like he didn't, despite actually posting that he wasIn post 585, hapahauli wrote:Atleast try to help me understand this bruh.
In post 443, Transcend wrote:I Think That He Cannot Be My Role Given That I'm Miller
"Bad town reads" = unjustified town readsIn post 590, Something_Smart wrote:No.Sounds like you disagree with more than two.In post 532, hapahauli wrote:I think one or two bad town reads are individually excusable. All of them combined point to something mafia-motivated.
wish you didn't say that, now I really want to be the one to hammer you
Dude you're at L-5
