DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[The Wood Cutters]

Holy shit, it does not take that long to type a yes or no to answer a question.

[Tea and Biscuits]

I think you're still misunderstanding my argument.

He's heavily criticising Infinity for something that implies he thinks Infinity is scum while avoiding committing to a push or even a fucking

read

on him

^ This is why I'm scumreading Wraith. It follows from this that Wraith is likely doing one of the following:
a) criticising Infinity just because he needed to produce some sort of content, and then not following up because he thinks Infinity will be too hard to lynch or it'll get him scumread or whatever else, or
b) criticising Infinity because they're partners and he feels the need to distance, and then not following up because he had no intention of actually pushing Infinity and just wanted to throw something out to make them look less like partners.

Infinity might be scum lying about his Miller claim, or he might not be. Both of these scenarios are possible. But in both of them Wraith is scum. I just think b) is more likely.

-- Postie

[The Wood Cutters]

Okay, it's A or B. What do you believe.

Do you believe Infinities claim.

[The Wood Cutters]

Okay, it's A or B. What do you believe.

Do you believe Infinities claim.

Okay I'll give you that one, this post was redundant.

[Tea and Biscuits]

I've already said I think b) is more likely, but I'm not like 100% sold on it?
Why are you turning this into a "you have to choose" thing? I believe Wraith is scum independently of whether or not Infinity is scum, so this just feels like an exercise in missing the point.

Like, you don't like how I'm bringing Infinity into it? Fine. Just pretend my post says this:

VOTE: Wraith

It feels like you're trying to find something to nitpick for the sake of it, allowing you to criticise Infinity without having to commit to a real push on him. It's scummy. 130 in particular is terrible; I don't know how to explain it but just read it dear god.

That's my main argument for Wraith being scum and it's a good a reason as any to vote him.

P-Edit - Thanks.

[The Wood Cutters]

Now, since you think B is more likely and Infinity is lying about his claim. What is it you don't believe about it and what about Infinity's play makes you think he is scum?

Exclude Wraith for what makes you think Infinity is scum.

[The Wood Cutters]

What I agree with is your Wraith accusations, what I'm having a hard time following is connecting Infinity too it so I'm focusing on Infinity for the most part now.

[Tea and Biscuits]

Nothing. If Wraith flipped scum I'd scumread Infinity purely on (fairly strong, IMO) associatives.

-- Postie

[The Wood Cutters]

0.o

[Wraith]

How strange it is that T&B is shifting to attacking me immediately after I shifted against him, but his avenue of attack completely ignores my most recent posts where I changed my view on Infinity.

[The Wood Cutters]

How is it logical to say you don't find someone scummy but will vote them?

[The Wood Cutters]

How strange it is that T&B is shifting to attacking me immediately after I shifted against him, but his avenue of attack completely ignores my most recent posts where I changed my view on Infinity.

What?

[Wraith]

How strange it is that T&B is shifting to attacking me immediately after I shifted against him, but his avenue of attack completely ignores my most recent posts where I changed my view on Infinity.

What?

* I attack T&B in my catch-up
* T&B shifts and attacks me
* T&B's scumread of me strangely omits my most recent posts where I'm more comfortable with Infinity

[Tea and Biscuits]

If you read 285, in the spoiler he actually makes another comment about Infinity's claim making "

absolutely

no sense", so it's not even that Wraith could have just changed his mind. He keeps making sure to call the claim out as

totally

fake and then... doesn't put Infinity in his scumreads, or make any sort of push on him. If they're not partners, then what's Wraith doing? I don't get it man.

P-Edit - Hi Wraith.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

* T&B's scumread of me strangely omits my most recent posts where I'm more comfortable with Infinity

From the same post you list off your scumreads:

* Again I'm super-skeptical of Infinity's Miller claim. It was totally unprompted, but that means nothing when it comes to Miller claims - it could just as easily be scum trying to preemptively justify an investigation result as it could be town preemptively attempting to dispel uncertainty. But his flavor claim (Edward V) makes

absolutely

no sense IMO. Richard III would make

much

more sense for a Miller. Miller also seems like a very unusual pick for a Mini, unless it's only part of the role.

That was your second to last post before leaving the thread for a while before you returned just now. The last post you made before leaving was 298, which makes no mention of Infinity.

So yeah uh no.

-- Postie

[Wraith]

Oh now we get the mention from my more recent posts

Have you considered that I could just be wrong about how I view the claim?

It's still too early to tell. I'm extremely skeptical of the claim but Infinity's activity so far suggests town to me.

[Tea and Biscuits]

Oh now we get the mention from my more recent posts

10/10 defence after I just pointed out that

* T&B's scumread of me strangely omits my most recent posts where I'm more comfortable with Infinity

was you making shit up.

-- Postie

[Wraith]

[Tea and Biscuits]

I feel like I've seen this episode a hundred times

For the record this was really bad too, but you have to read it in context. There had been plenty of activity, and

this

by itself was what Wraith chose to say when he came to the thread. The comment imples he read at least some of my back-and-forth with dreal; it really wouldn't have been that hard to give an opinion on

something

. But instead he throws out something that just about can't be called out as not being game-relevant, but doesn't actually move the game forward in any way.

[Tea and Biscuits]

-- Postie

[Prism]

Prism what do you think of my townread on you?

I think it's premature as you've never played with me before but I get why you have it. I like the fact you're prodding more outside of the observation realm.

I also like the miller claim. Looking at the flavor the claim doesn't exactly fit, but given the style of play you've demonstrated I find it a very unlikely fakeclaim.

You butted into my interaction with Postie. It's rude. You mischaracterized my content, and now you're refusing to elaborate on that by being self-righteous. I have no desire to engage with that attitude.

You do realize you're playing mafia, not socializing at a dinner party? You

will

have to work with me at some point, even if not right now. Engaging me with hostility when I ask you a question is a great, quick path to a lose/lose scenario. All you had to do was elaborate as to what you were hoping for, and instead you've just continued being combative out of some perceived offense that is just me trying to get something out of you. In short this interaction has just hurt us both, and it

didn't have to be that way.

On TWC:

I really,

really

dislike most of Nacho's posting on Page 11 despite having trouble putting my finger on what it is. Some of what I believe are mastina's are also rubbing me the wrong way. There are a lot of vague factors behind this, ranging from the given reads to how the hydra interacts with itself, and I'll try to follow up soon when I can ground why it is I feel this way. I was inclined to see Nacho's push on me as null, being a mix of high expectation and desire for more from me, but some of it really feels as though it's targeted

for

me rather than

at

me, and not just in a "Get them active" way.

Almost50's play is pretty hard to follow/discern the intent behind. #294 is pretty silly, but I'd lean town on the parts about Mastina. It seems as though they're just making this more complicated than it should be.

Other reads I don't have time to currently justify but should throw out: Wraith townlean & T&B scumlean. Priorities in order are grounding my vague read on TWC, reading drealm/Think, and then lastly explaining the two reads above w/ T&B one being the important one to follow up on.

[Prism]

UNVOTE: for now.

Like, my feelings on TWC are vague and I've got to run at a pretty inopportune time, but how I'm feeling reading that page 11+random select posts, I would,

at this immediate moment

, be

really

surprised if that slot flips town, even if I don't know why.

[The Wood Cutters]

So it's a scum read that you can't explain. That's helpful to know.

You do need to explain why Wraith is a town lean tho.

[The Wood Cutters]

I get that you say that you can explain but in the effort to explain that you couldn't explained, you could have at least tried to explain.

[Prism]

I did-it was nonsensical. I explicitly said I don't have time right now to make it that way. Rushing me on it is bullshit.