Mini 1894: DBZ Abridged Mafia - Arrival To Namek (Game Over)

[Socrates]

It should go without saying that ball ownership should be counterclaimed with impunity.

Counterclaimed?? Are the balls in the show of certain functions each? Or are they related to certain characters?? Because from what I read (trying to familiarize myself with the flavour) they had so many users I don't even think anyone would fake claim having x-star ball to begin with. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Btw, I love this fat Guru guy Kuroi keeps using in the VCs, and from what little I've seen he is weird and ordering Nail around like the latter is his slave or something.

I also want those who are familiar with the flavour to weigh in regarding that claim. Does it sound legit? Is that character a main character (as in must be included) or does sound more like a safe fake-claim (Kuroi does provide those, btw).

Dragon balls are individually identifiable by their star number. It's in the opening rule post. Clumsy claimed to have the six star ball. If someone else has the six-star ball, they should counter immediately.

[Imperium]

Vote: Maria

Definitely don't mind doing this for now, though.

[Almost50]

It should go without saying that ball ownership should be counterclaimed with impunity.

Counterclaimed?? Are the balls in the show of certain functions each? Or are they related to certain characters?? Because from what I read (trying to familiarize myself with the flavour) they had so many users I don't even think anyone would fake claim having x-star ball to begin with. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Btw, I love this fat Guru guy Kuroi keeps using in the VCs, and from what little I've seen he is weird and ordering Nail around like the latter is his slave or something.

I also want those who are familiar with the flavour to weigh in regarding that claim. Does it sound legit? Is that character a main character (as in must be included) or does sound more like a safe fake-claim (Kuroi does provide those, btw).

Dragon balls are individually identifiable by their star number. It's in the opening rule post. Clumsy claimed to have the six star ball. If someone else has the six-star ball, they should counter immediately.

My point is/was: If they're Scum and have the 6-star ball there's no need for them to fake claim THAT. Having a ball on it's own isn't a Town feature .. or is it?? If it IS, then with no CC they're Town. If it isn't then there's no way we can tell their alignment just from having this particular ball, so it's safe for them to claim it anyway.

[Imperium]

No CC =/= town, but there's a possibility that Clumsy is fakeclaiming in order to draw out an additional dragonball.

[MariaR]

Vote: Maria

Definitely don't mind doing this for now, though.

Now who's the one who can't read

[Imperium]

Granted, I was mostly waiting on Clumsyhead more than anything, because I tend to get scumread when I post without using him as a filter.

I think that this is a post more likely to be made by town than by scum; it's the transparency that is a little wonky coming from town but looks absolutely bizarre coming from scum. In other words, if Clumsy and Shaziro's approach to surviving as scum was "Shaziro waits to talk with Clumsy so he doesn't look so horrible when he posts", then I'm not sure that they'd out their scum strategy in their entrance post or be as comfortable as they are about waiting to post so they don't look scummy.

[Imperium]

Vote: Maria

Definitely don't mind doing this for now, though.

Now who's the one who can't read

What did I fail to read?

[Imperium]

Anybody who gets off this wagon, now that it has consolidated, will be viewed with extreme suspicion after Clumsy flips.

Remember this if we flip.

Shaziro, why did you find this post significant?

[Imperium]

Vote: Maria

Definitely don't mind doing this for now, though.

Now who's the one who can't read

What did I fail to read?

Still waiting for a response to this question.

[Imperium]

I was actually going to make a post about the second one, but realized a flaw in my logic.

Clumsy, what were you going to say here and what was the flaw in your logic?

(As an aside, I like this post - I do think that Tywin occasionally has a tone that comes across as fake and his many words over not knowing the DBZ flavor certainly plays into that, and I think the nuance in having a reason for pushing him but letting it go from expressing it is nicely faked if he's scum here.)

[MariaR]

Vote: Maria

Definitely don't mind doing this for now, though.

Now who's the one who can't read

What did I fail to read?

Me. Talk to me on your sr on me from all I can see is you have no reasons at all to sr me

[Imperium]

Why did you say "now who's the one who can't read"?

[MariaR]

Why did you say "now who's the one who can't read"?

I couldn't read you last game and now you can't me.

[Imperium]

Talking with the Shaz head, I liked Socrates' case about Not Chara. Shaz head agrees, so we're going to follow there.

VOTE: Not Chara

I thought the progression here (which I didn't pick up on before) was actually a pretty genuine one to lead up to voting Not Chara - Alisae talked about voting NC because of Socrates's case, Clumsy evaluates it and likes it, they don't end up voting NC until three days later after they've talked. It's a nice lack of urgency for someone who was getting wagoned hard; if they were scum, I'd expect that they would be looking to push Not Chara as a counterwagon (talk to Alisae about the read more, actually vote them) but the way they approached it very much seemed like they were talking over things and trying to make the best vote.

[Clumsy Phoenix]

Anybody who gets off this wagon, now that it has consolidated, will be viewed with extreme suspicion after Clumsy flips.

Remember this if we flip.

Shaziro, why did you find this post significant?

Because it is pretty blatantly demanding that we get power lynched by saying that you will be called scummy for hopping off the wagon. It is a bullying tactic to try and make us get lynched without resistance. I know I'm town, so I know it is bullying people into a mislynch. If we flip it will be made clear that we are town, and as such the person who tried to bully people into not leaving a mislynch should be looked on with the suspicion.

Clumsy is working a double shift tonight but will be back tonight before bed. If he tells me there is a change of plan I will notify y'all.

-Shaziro

[Imperium]

When I was reading through this, I was having a lot of the same thoughts, especially the "If she said it was just a first page joke, I would have shrugged and let it go". I don't know a whole lot about tells in this game, but Socrates has been playing for much longer than I have, and I town read him, so I'm taking his word on that tell. It makes sense to me, and this actually reminded me of a scum game I played in. RC had a role which let other people give him their votes, and I joked that we should all just give him our votes and let him try to win the game. I was immediately jumped on because it came out insinuating that I knew he was town. Now, I would have made the same joke either way as town or scum, but since I WAS scum, I had to keep up appearances. So I buckled down on it and argued for Town!RC. This felt similar to that, buckling down when under pressure early.

This explanation for sheeping felt fairly genuine to me, and the expansion on what was alluded to earlier (that the most compelling point of the case to him was that Socrates said that he would have let it go if it just stayed a joke but the defense felt meh) is again a very nice touch if they are scum here.

[Alisae]

hey guyz

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I think I want to wait until Nacho's done here. Let's not risk a lol!Hammer (although I those who are infamous for it are not present in this game).

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

I think I want to wait until Nacho's done here. Let's not risk a lol!Hammer (although I those who are infamous for it are not present in this game).

It was L-2 now L-3. Not voting is a capital sin that leads to apathy and loss.

[Imperium]

I read through that whole wall and my eyes only glazed over once or twice! You've made a few shit assumptions here, and I'm assuming that's because you're scum trying to push a narrative.

I like the confidence and conviction in this read; Socrates I noticed liked it too but managed to dismiss it by rationalizing it by Clumsy finding someone to spar with who had weak rhetoric, but I don't think that makes sense. If Clumsy is scum here, nothing changes with the discovery of Tywin; the wagon on them is still much stronger and, even if stars align and they manage to get Tywin lynched, they're still dead tomorrow - finding a player you can beat up as scum is nice, but it's typically not enough impetus for a change in attitude. Finding scum is different; as town, finding scum Day 1 means that even if you get lynched today, there's a roadmap to follow after you're gone and even if scum manage to lynch you today, you will still win if they fall down after you die.

I think that the way Clumsy argues that Tywin is trying to get out of taking responsibility for their town flip looks very, very town and I think that their recent arguments against him and a touch of the recent argument against ABR is pretty compelling evidence for them having the attitude of "I found scum!" as opposed to "I found a weak player!".

A couple examples of the above:

This is a great way of setting up being able to wash your hands of this lynch after it flips town.

P-edit: To those that are actually town, don't let those pushing this wagon through slide off with "they looked really scummy!" if we get lynched today.

I think that this makes a lot of sense from a VT who thinks they're probably going to get lynched because they basically always get lynched.
I also think that a VT claim here looks townier than not; with the amount of suspicion they've already gotten thus far they're obviously not avoiding the lynch, the only thing that they're doing by not claiming a power role and trying to out a strong power role for the scumteam is fucking their scumbuds over if scum.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I think I want to wait until Nacho's done here. Let's not risk a lol!Hammer (although I those who are infamous for it are not present in this game).

It was L-2 now L-3. Not voting is a capital sin that leads to apathy and loss.

By my count it was L-1 and now L-2: Vifam, Not Chara, Tywin Lannister, Socrates, Albert B. Rampage,

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm been lynched as town more times than I can count and I've never been lynched day 1 as scum and I am really trying to understand what I do as scum that makes me immune but as town I'm in ml city
Pedit: Hi hydra thing what's your read on me

Nacho, thoughts on this post please? ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

I think I want to wait until Nacho's done here. Let's not risk a lol!Hammer (although I those who are infamous for it are not present in this game).

It was L-2 now L-3. Not voting is a capital sin that leads to apathy and loss.

By my count it was L-1 and now L-2: Vifam, Not Chara, Tywin Lannister, Socrates, Albert B. Rampage,

I unvoted actually.

[KuroiXHF]

Yes he did.

[KuroiXHF]

"Karma is if you do something good, something good will happen to you. But if you do something bad, something bad will happen to you."
"So if I'm good enough, then I can have my family back?"
"...Are you still on about that?"

Vote Count 1.11

Clumsy Phoenix

(4/7)

- Vifam, Not Chara, Tywin Lannister, Socrates

Majiffy

(1/7)

- ɀefiend

Almost50

(1/7)

- Majiffy

Desperado

(1/7)

- Alisae

MariaR

(2/7)

- Desperado, Imperium

Socrates

(1/7)

- MariaR

Tywin Lannister

(1/7)

- Clusmy Phoenix

Not Voting:

Albert B. Rampage, Almost50

Notes:

- I'd like to take this time to tell everyone that on Wednesday, I'm taking a scheduled vacation to Utah and I'll be without the ability to do vote counts and stuff like this. My back-up mod, TheRealGin-N-Tonic and perhaps even reviewer, GuyInFreezer, will help during this time. I'll help when I can by answering questions and such.

Although I'll leave at the earliest by Night One. I'll definitely be here by the end of Day One.

(expired on 2017-04-04 12:55:00) until the end of Day One.
With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.