Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

[WhemeStar]

His name to long to spell on phone

[Eddie Cane]

Oh

nah sry

[WhemeStar]

why

[IAlwaysWinSometimes]

Love you too whemey

[implosion]

These have been some much more useful pages. Tempted to townlean on boon but I have a lot of trepidation in doing that so I'm not actually going to, iaws is i think no longer scummy because of 535 which I think looks genuine. He's probably town.

I'm quite a fan of horrordude's posting in general but I still have yet to get an inkling of his alignment.

[implosion]

Wheme is more or less locktown to me; I cannot imagine myself scumreading him at any point pretty much.

I agree with boon that 448 from superhans is quite sketchy. I honestly think the way wheme claimed is really really obviously town and that post looks like it's trying to obfuscate the claim and make it so less information is gleaned from it. Essentially I'm put off by his initial reaction to focus entirely on the literal role that was claimed without paying any heed whatsoever to the way in which it was claimed.

[Superhans]

I agree with boon that 448 from superhans is quite sketchy. I honestly think the way wheme claimed is really really obviously town and that post looks like it's trying to obfuscate the claim and make it so less information is gleaned from it. Essentially I'm put off by his initial reaction to focus entirely on the literal role that was claimed without paying any heed whatsoever to the way in which it was claimed.

Implosion we're on the same page with Wheme. I was fence sitting but it was because i was uncertain, not because i was trying to muddy the waters.

[implosion]

But we're convinced for entirely disparate reasons:

because i wasnt convinced on the claim at first, but fruit vendor is literally the worst role for scum to try and claim, unless he actually is scum fruitseller, but i think the nature of that role makes it unlikely.

at first you threw doubt on the claim, and then shifted discourse towards saying the fact of claiming fruit vendor meant that he was town.

My problem isn't that shift, it's the fact that when you first considered the claim, you essentially looked it as "someone is claiming fruit vendor in a vacuum: are they town or scum" rather than actually looking at Wheme's posts where he claimed and evaluating those specific posts, which is the part that I thought was very transparently obvious as town.

Different people will see different things etc so it's not super strong but I think trying to evaluate the claim as a claim in a vacuum rather than a claim that was made by this player in this way is a scummy instinct. It lets you as scum evaluate things in what feels like a more objective way, essentially it lets you if you're scum make arguments about things that you actually believe.

[havingfitz]

I haven't read anything since Tuesday. I'm on vacation until next Tuesday so finding time to post might be a bit difficult. Will try to post as much as I can.

[DeathRowKitty]

alright new pages froggy mckittens is here to BRING THE PAIN

[DeathRowKitty]

peopled talked about a fruit vendor claim for like 3 full pages what the actual eff

I drew basically the opposite conclusions as implosion from all of it? Concerning.

IME, people claiming to believe that something makes them obvious town when it doesn't are scum more often than you would expect by random chance. What makes it actually concerning though in this particular case is that he hadn't been playing up to that point as though he was obvious town, even though he was aware that his predecessor softclaimed fruit vendor. Makes it seem pretty unlikely that he actually believed what he was saying

Superhans, on the other hand, gained some town points from me for his reaction. I thought his reaction made a lot of sense for someone incorporating a bizarre piece of information (fruit vendor??? wtf is that and why would it exist????) into their view of someone who had been a scum read (I can elaborate on how I see his reaction if anyone wants that). If it was a faked reaction, it was well choreographed and Superhans doesn't seem to me like the kind of person who would be particularly good at that.

Ok so I just saw the wheme claim and now I'm confused. If he is truly town, then the OMGUS vote on me is just bitterness/stupidity. I'm still torn though, because I really thought he was scummy. Can someone make a case on how wheme could still be scum? Otherwise I might have to hop off this wagon.

Last but not least, THIS is just horribly scummy. Look at the last two sentences. IAWS apparently doesn't even see how it's possible for WhemeStar to be scum anymore, yet really wants to keep his vote on him? I don't understand at all where implosion got the idea that this post comes across as genuine - is there anything at all about this that's relatable from a town mindset?

Unvote: TwoFace

Vote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

[DeathRowKitty]

This is a good thread. Theres lots to work with. I'm glad cmm got replaced because otherwise I was going to lynch him. Eddie why is pushing a null player scummy? That seems totally backward.

This really isn't much of a post for a thread in which there's lots to work with, bud. Did you get anything useful from the recent shenanigans? Also, why did you want CMM lynched? I can't find anywhere you ever explained it

[TwoFace]

I'm getting ready to board a plane Hans. I'll respond asap....might be tomorrow.

I haven't read anything since Tuesday. I'm on vacation until next Tuesday so finding time to post might be a bit difficult. Will try to post as much as I can.

Hmm

[DeathRowKitty]

Do you think that what you just quoted is alignment-indicative?

[TwoFace]

it's suspicious

[WhemeStar]

Gj kitty

[IAlwaysWinSometimes]

I'll try to explain why what I wrote was my initial reaction. I had a feeling that wheme was scum, and his reactions toward the wagon that were forming on him gave me a bad feeling. However, with the vendor claim, I had to reluctantly agree with everyone else that he probably had to be town. Despite this, I still got bad vibes from the way he was playing, so I posted asking if there was a scenario where he could possibly be a scum that would compute with the claim that he made.

As for now, UNVOTE:

Anyway, am I correct in saying that the person who receives a fruit from him tonight (assuming he is not lynched) should claim that they received the fruit?

[Eddie Cane]

yes, whoever receives the fruit should claim

[Boonskiies]

we should decide who he gives it to, tbh.

[Boonskiies]

so he can't just claim he gave it to a scum read.

[Boonskiies]

I personally think that myself or IAlwaysWin should be the target of the fruit....

[Eddie Cane]

bad boon

[Eddie Cane]

we aren't directing his shot rofl

[IAlwaysWinSometimes]

I personally think that myself or IAlwaysWin should be the target of the fruit....

Why? Where's the logic to this?

[IAlwaysWinSometimes]

we aren't directing his shot rofl

Why not? It shouldn't really make a difference but wouldn't we rather be safe than sorry?