Mini Normal 1893 - I Keep Modding Minis Ending in 3 -endgame

[Trivium]

I just realized that there must be a scum in Hapahauli, Impoetic, Contradiction, and Dunnstral.

They are the unconfirmed town on Frogger's lynch. Throw me in if you must because Crash was on it.

I think Hapa's response to my response was the clincher for him being my town read. He could have kept tunneling pretty easily.

That narrows my POE down to Dunnstral, Impoetic, and Contradiction.

I'm fairly certain impoetic is town based on his interaction with jaereed, and the type of posts he made.

[Juri]

Sorry for the lull, will try pick things up tomorrow morning

[gerryoat]

narrows my POE down to Dunnstral, Impoetic, and Contradiction.

Vote contradiction.

[boring]

narrows my POE down to Dunnstral, Impoetic, and Contradiction.

Vote contradiction.

I just went through the Dunnstal+Impoetic ISO.

@Dunnstal & Impoetic - you both mentioned post restrictions. What are your restrictions, specifically? (I'm assuming you can tell me without revealing anything about your roles)

[mhsmith0]

Impoetic has failed to respond to prod and is being replaced.

Contradiction has been prodded.

[mhsmith0]

ThinkBig replaces his alt, Contradiction, effective immediately.

[ThinkBig]

Prod received. I am going to be taking over contradiction because I can't alt.

[ThinkBig]

Notice: V/LA on weekends. I will not be posting at all during Shabbat.

[hapahauli]

VOTE: Juri

Her play looks a lot like she's disengaged and "blending in", rather than actually trying to find mafia or forming coherent reads. For example, she asks a lot of questions that lead nowhere. Multiple times in her filter, she "doesn't understand something", prods a player about it, and it never comes up again.

The most egregious example happened on D2:

#1543, she concludes that Gerry and Trium seems like scum v scum, but ends up voting Contradiction a mere 2 hours later. This doesn't read like a legitimate opinion, as she doesn't even try to question or figure out the Gerry vs. Trium situation. Instead, she posts the opinion as if she wants to egg it on, and puts her vote elsewhere.

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Speaking of the Contradiction thing, her vote is all-sorts-of-weird, considering the read-progression that she's had on the Darklyn slot:

In #1340, she asks Dunn for the rationale of her vote on Darklyn. There's no opinion given on Darklyn's alignment, but this suggests that she doesn't understand why people are reading Darklyn as scum.
In #1480, she expresses that she was previously reading Darklyn as scum, but has slowly changed her mind.
In #1542, she reads Darklyn as "townlike."
In #1576, she votes Contradiction (Darklyn's replacement) because she didn't like Contradictions' claim.

There are some really janky things about this read progression:
1) She was reading Darklyn as pretty townie, and has very little reservation voting his replacement.
2) #1480 doesn't read as very genuine, since she had never expressed concern about Darklyn being scum to that point. It's like she makes up the read out of thin air.
3) Reading Darklyn town that confidently is pretty strange, because he's a very lynchbaity player that's hard to read.

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All and all, I'm pretty happy lynching here today. I think the way she's treating the Gerry vs. Trium argument is a lot like Scum sitting back and watching two townies fight to the death. She's egging on the argument rather than trying to figure it out. Her read progression on Darklyn/Contradiction/ThinkBig makes very little sense, and looks very fabricated.

[hapahauli]

I'm honestly not sure what to think about Contradiction/ThinkBig, but I'm willing to give that slot some time. ThinkBig's alignment should be pretty clear as he continues to post. Juri's vote on Contradiction/TB is also pretty bad, and gives me enough pause about the slot's alignment.

I'd much rather have Juri dead.

[hapahauli]

Independently of my read on Juri, I'm reading the Gerry/Trium thing as TvT. Gerry's playing extremely aggro and all over the place. I've played with him as mafia before, and he's a great deal more passive and cooperative. I like that Trium isn't being caught up in OMGUS and is doing a lot more than letting his mind get tunneled on players he dislikes. He has an excuse to tunnel Gerry into the ground and ignore everything else in the game, and isn't taking the bait (and is being super productive instead).

[mhsmith0]

TheFuzzylogic99 has been prodded

[gerryoat]

Lol @ everyone being prodded

[hapahauli]

Talk to me about Juri.

[Dunnstral]

TheFuzzylogic99 has been prodded

had to check activity logs to see that this was a player in this game.

Don't know who they replaced.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Juri

[projectmatt]

I don't even care if I get force replaced for saying that. It'd be fucking welcome. Like if pjm is scum here then town has flat out lost because I think everyone else is incompetent. Trans and Frogger died and they were the best chance this game had at a town win. RC should never have self voted as town, that was a shit move and cost us someone who could actually obvtown as town.

I think that this post + his replacing out makes JaeReed town.

Willing to lynch Trivium

Me too. Just cause he voted me

That's called omgus. It's generally a tactic mafia uses. Isn't it odd how both of my top scumreads discredit my posts in much the same way, then move on to push the same lynch?

wow, you're so good at this game. you must be a pro. i've never heard of omgus before, i'm sure no one else has here either. what would we do without you here to explain what omgus means.

Ew, this is terribly forced.

We could lunch usagi slot

Why would you want this to happen?

I've read the last five pages or so. If Trivium isn't scum, that's gonna suck because he's not going to be any help. I don't know yet why Darklyn was a favorite for lynch, but I could live with voting Contradiction from his intro until I find out.

Gerryoat is seems different. More active/adversarial than last game I played with him.

VOTE: Contradiction

Uh-oh. This is a scum-post.

I see reading through the rest of the game that other people pointed this out, and I don't buy that Boring's reactions are town yet.

Momo made a terrible post on #1693, but I think his slot is still town.

Number 56 seems to really be the only one that still gets me though. Not only does he seem confident with his reads in a way he isn't normally, but it also seems like a buddying attempt and super manipulative, which stands out particularly because it's a pjm post. Town pjm probably wouldn't be so confident with a those reads. Transcend also ended up being town, and even with pjm's style, (and it could just be his style) I'm not totally sold that he didn't know transcend was town here, it would make sense for him to.
Mulling all of this over in my head, I guess I'd be ok with voting pjm if it came down to it, because I've been wrong about things like this before, especially going back on myself in the exact way that I am now. If transcend is still reading this game, he'll know what I'm talking about.

in all fairness, my confidence in #56 comes from some slightly off-site meta. i think that im really good at reading impoetic in almost every game we play on our home-site, so i felt confident reading them early in this game. as far as alise goes, i did tonally TR them a lot, but that's not based off of any meta.

feel free to ask for elaboration, but without going into the reasons, my reads are basically:

hapahauli, contradiction, impoetic, momo, are all light to strong townreads, trivium being a potential townread but not quite there yet

atm i want to lynch gerry or boring. gerry has scumtold a lot in the past few days IMO whereas i kind of want to give boring more chance to develop, but so far they havent towntold at all.

[Dunnstral]

I think that this post + his replacing out makes JaeReed town.

He's been towny for a really long time but ok

[Dunnstral]

*they

[Dunnstral]

narrows my POE down to Dunnstral, Impoetic, and Contradiction.

Vote contradiction.

I just went through the Dunnstal+Impoetic ISO.

@Dunnstal & Impoetic - you both mentioned post restrictions. What are your restrictions, specifically? (I'm assuming you can tell me without revealing anything about your roles)

I have to post reactionary manga pages

[Dunnstral]

By the way Boring is moderately scummy I'd say

and looking back I remember that crash was always on the edges of conversations

[hapahauli]

Projectmatt, I can't let you leave without your opinion on Juri.

[projectmatt]

Projectmatt, I can't let you leave without your opinion on Juri.

Oh, I forgot to mention that they are also really bad, but the kind of bad that makes me not pay attention to them and generally forget they exist, which I did in my past post. I should ISO them.

[projectmatt]

I think that this post + his replacing out makes JaeReed town.

He's been towny for a really long time but ok

Eh.

[hapahauli]

Projectmatt, I can't let you leave without your opinion on Juri.

Oh, I forgot to mention that they are also really bad, but

the kind of bad that makes me not pay attention to them and generally forget they exist

, which I did in my past post. I should ISO them.

You literally just explained why Juri is mafia.