world.createNew(Utopia everHope); - EPILOGUE (GAME OVER!)

[MathBlade]

@RT why do you think Town seriously claiming a no lynch in the middle of the day 1 which is practically an ascetic or roleblock claim not a good kill?

[MathBlade]

In one scum game he claimed some neutral shit.
In one scum game he claimed some weird ass vig hybrid that couldn't do shit and I don't know if he fear killed me or what as the mafia PT is locked but yeah.

Drealmerz is also more yelly in his scum games and as Town reserved. To me reading Drealmerz is easy.

He's yelled in a good 80% of his town games I've had with him


His behavior fluctuates so I don't really bother to meta read him

He yells as either alignment but it is different.

Getting samples now:

[inspectorscout]

Fame is not defined by who you are, but by what you did to become who you are now.

- Arthur Ryder

Vote Count 2.1

drealmerz7 -

[1] RadiantTroubadour

Zachstralkita -

[0]

Pine -

[0]

gerryoat -

[0]

Clumsy -

[0]

MariaR -

[0]

Aelita -

[0]

The Bulge -

[0]

Mathblade -

[0]

KidAmn -

[1] Zachstralkita

Randomidget -

[0]

BTD6_maker -

[0]

Peptobislawl -

[0]

RadiantTroubadour-

[2] Randomidget, Mathblade

Not Voting -

drealmerz7, Pine, gerryoat, Clumsy, MariaR, Aelita, The Bulge, BTD6_maker, KidAmn, Peptobislawl

Mod Notes –

Good luck! Please do not forget your data stream post ability, and you are still allowed to request a personal PT. Any mechanics question can be asked!

With 14 Alive, It Takes 8 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2017-04-18 05:52:36).

[drealmerz7]

seriously do not try to meta-read me wtf how many times do I say that? it's just going to get you in trouble

fuck, the In Memory scumchat is locked??? RC, can we get on that or no because boring and vedith haven't okayed??? fuck that is fucked, all my scumchats need to be viewable! I'm such a dick in that one too, phewwww, sorry, boring! I PMed boring after that game to try and make amends and she told me to never msg her again ):

[RadiantTroubadour]

drealmerz never feels reserved but ok...

honestly though i still cant grok why he would assume i just deicded to hardbus p&c/cloud since he very insistently scumread us while sheeping our push. doesnt seem like town motivated reasoning and i really would like to lynch on the wagon today rather than off

@RT why do you think Town seriously claiming a no lynch in the middle of the day 1 which is practically an ascetic or roleblock claim not a good kill?

he was lurky, had no reads consequence, could have just been a newb doing newb things. i didnt take any of it as pr tells but when i saw the kill that was really the only explanation i had.

if we were scum i'm honestly not sure who i'd nk. drealmerz definitely not though since he's easy to discredit

maybe you if you're town? while i dont know how successful you've been at reading rc nor do i know if you are able to read me (so far it seems like you cant but) considering the gamestate a town replacement is likely to be a huge boon to town

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Drealmerz scum day one wall post

Subject: In Memory

fucking hell ppls -

okay so I have been going back over the game as I catch-up and, I am on PAGE 10, and I wonder why we haven't lynched S_S yet, because, holy fuck, let me take you through AGAIN (and also try and find where the focus on him got lost because his is SO scum) :

S_S first post, a clear RVS vote:

VOTE: Rach

Begin!

then he quickly

VOTE: DEO

Most fake reaction ever

This is a serious vote for something he clearly (and reiterates later) thinks is fake-scum.

THEN, kuroi makes what seems to be an RVS vote:

VOTE: titus

Because I obviously have a death wish.

and S_S replies to THAT with:

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

this is totally one of those slight-joking but hey if anyone wants to forward the idea I'm all for it scummy posts that scum make, imo, and DEO votes him for it (even though it is a vote in response to a comment about the PL, it's still a valid vote based on the progress and position)

Titus has been scum in a lot of games I've played with her. Not a bad PL

POLICY LYNCH!

POLICY LYNCHES ARE ALWAYS SCUM SIDED!!

VOTE: Shadow Step

You better hope you have a good claim ready.

someone else agrees that it is a scummy comment, despite any "sarcasm" he can write it off as, it's still a very scummy post, and it is pings multiple people

More votes on DEO. Awful omgus on me to follow up with that fake reaction.

S_S is gone for a pretty good chunk of the thread and comes back with this ^ - first, she voted you for your scummy post, not in OMGUS to your vote on her - and it soo was not a fake reaction, multiple people read it THAT way, yet you persist, and I am being patient waiting for you to be towny and you just kind of "fuck you" to everyone, not contributing to anything that has gone on in the thread since or expanding on anything about DEO other than repeating yourself - so I vote S_S, having been mostly an observer through the whole thing

and gamma votes you similarly:

No I'm pretty sure that reaction was real
I don't like Shadow's response to DEO's vote
In fact the DEO vote itself was pretty bad
VOTE: Shadow_Step

Scum ^

that's your response to the adding pressure about your scummy before, as seen by multiple people already?

Nah, I wanted to PL Titus because she rolls scum a lot. Which was a joke. People here don't have a sense of humour.

but your vote is for the reaction and you do want to vote/lynch her

and then you try to change the subject around when asked about your scummy "joke" post (and you make it all dramatic like "you guys don't even have a sense of humor!" oh please, that's totally a scum-ploy!), and when it doesn't go your way, you switch your vote to gamma like "oh whatever that's not going anywhere let's try THIS!"

Anyway

Gamma is the scum on my wagon.
Look at his reasoning to vote me. It is something I posted on page 1 and he has been postin since then. But he only decides to vote me when there are lot of votes on me already.

VOTE: Gamma

I thought you said DEO was scum on your wagon (scum-omgus vote in your view ) cause super-fake noway town reacts that way reaction? just dropping that now, eh? for a weak-ass case on GE?

you posted content on pg. 1 that was voteworthy, the fact that it was on page 1 doesn't mean ANYTHING, that's just a fallacy argument

"that touchdown doesn't count it was scored in the first 20 seconds of the game!" uhhh, no

Which you only realised after the huge wagon on me? Yeah opportunustic scum.

so only ppl who vote on wagons of a certain size are scum?

no, he voted almost the same time I did and it was upon watching you be scummy over and over and over, waiting until enough built to a point of comfortable voting

again, you try to devalue things by fallible arguments

Can we fucking Lynch gamma?

still wanting to lynch him, and you are now sure he is a DV, but, that doesn't last long...

If I wanted to PL you I would have voted you. You can't be that dense.

but...you did vote her? not for the PL, but, it's like you're twisting around what happened at this point, so what you switched to gamma for a short bit to see if anyone would go there with you/you could shake attention from yourself

I'm not even trying? Are you serious?
Did you even bother to read my case on Gamma?
And a person who's game is just to death tunnel on anyone till they are lynched has no right to talk about anyone else.

another scummy post

death tunnel?! they're engaging with other shit and doing things, you're death tunneled, not doing anything but focused on 1 and then a 2nd person when the 1st doesn't take, except you can't resist to try another push and

Guess I should take initiative.

Yeah, vote Deo

VOTE: Deo

Dreal is posting VERY quiet compared to his normal town games. This is probably scum

pingpingping

you don't know anything about my games!! considering I don't have HAVE a 'normal game', as

either

alignment, and even if I did, you certainly wouldn't know it - ppl who have played 15 games with me don't know what a normal game for me is~!! yeeeesh

I'm okay with this too actually. You have good reads day 1.
VOTE: d7

that's a terrible read and if you

are

town (hah!), youshouldn't be guided by it, buuut you're not town and maybe that is just a scumbuddy you're trying to jump with

I've explained it already.
I have no idea how town reacts to a hated claim like- "can we make you unhated?"
It's like role fishing + awkward scum who doesn't know how to react.

Oh but selling a "policy lynch" on me after that point was a joke right?
Nah, you meant it. Then you got caught in a meta tell. Rather than asking me to prove it, you cried joke.

I can grow an extra person, so him being unhateable isn't ridiculous. It's also not a rolefish in the binary.

yepyep this ^

Titus is scared of me because I lynched her in green day micro based of almost nothing so wants me gone.

oh please (okay after reading further of course I see she calls you on this BS)

and then you POST THIS:

Postie, you have an AtE weakness.

No, I don't. I can just tell the difference between scum frustration and town frustration. This is town frustration.

It isn't Postie. Check Suikoden Mafia. Blackest Magic reacted in the same way. Klingon was in that game btw.

Lmao, Seriously?
This is so reachy, its pathetic. Its worse than scraping the barrel.
We are not the same people.

BAHAHAHA! it's like you're projecting!!

Your ego can't digest it and you're salty it's okay.

omg he's so desperate scum, he should be lynched by now!!

Titus is scared of me because I lynched her in green day micro based of almost nothing so wants me gone.

LOL this logic is p terrible "I dunked this dude and now they are upset at me" when they have real reasons for voting you

What real reason? I've already said it was a joke. If I had to PL her I would have voted her.

and AGAIN you twist

YOU DID/ARE voting her (at this time pretty sure), but it's not about the PL, and yet you use this as a way to devalue votes on you because you're not voting for her for that, OMG SCUMMMMMM!!!!

he's so desperate and in deep he's flailing obvious scum, and then!

@Vedith what do you think about KC?

"omg scum-buddy throw me a life-line!!"

okay still don't know why he's not just l-1 and claiming at this point, but, will read on with further thorough catchup!!!

Town post coming up.
And when I am wrong on you Drealmerz is when I will quit metaing you.

[RadiantTroubadour]

like rc was confident we'd get nightkilled here

i was confident we werent since we strongarmed a double ml

[MathBlade]

RC would tell you instantly no scum in their right mind would kill me.
It is an inactive slot people can just say "Math" to have anything I say ignored.
I post a lot as well so that is a thing scum like.
I wouldn't have a link likely succeed due to never having been in the thread.

I am like the worst NK ever.

[drealmerz7]

ppl who didn't see the raut NK coming are either naive or scum trying to pretend to be naive

[RadiantTroubadour]

reads of consequence**

RC would tell you instantly no scum in their right mind would kill me.
It is an inactive slot people can just say "Math" to have anything I say ignored.
I post a lot as well so that is a thing scum like.
I wouldn't have a link likely succeed due to never having been in the thread.

I am like the worst NK ever.

\_o_/

i mean honestly i cant think of a single slot in this game that's actually worth a nk so

[RadiantTroubadour]

is a town roleblocker really worth n1'ing....

[drealmerz7]

uh fuck yes especially if their read are good but even if not, fuckyes

[RadiantTroubadour]

ok im logging off i need to save battery

uh fuck yes especially if their read are good but even if not, fuckyes

i'd rather just straight up go for someone with good reads especially while the whole team is alive

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Drealmerz town wall

Subject: The Thing Mafia - Game over!

btw, still relatively new to the site so quoting might not be 100% accurate until I get it down. which, fuck, hope I got it right, because, fuck, look at this post

btw, I post like this a lot - be prepared !

...almost every game lately that I've been looking forward to and told someone I'm looking forward to playing with them, I end up drawing scum...

Noted to come back to in the future.

Top choice for scum.

Awww, thanks! That was all genuine though, I assure you. Here, have some slight town points!

hi

I want Tammy to have the treestump

This is my only wish

...

Otherwise, I don't think we should discuss how people should use the roles until after everyone's picked

So, just direct Tammy, and 20 others are good to go, except for everyone that comes before her, NO treestump for you. Got it.

Tammy are you good with being our designated tree stump?

okay so, up above I was all kind of being a bit pokey-playful under the figurings that you weren't REALLY serious...but here you continue, and so, have some scum-points.

Just...let's stop with all the role-directing (I'm on page 6 of 11 as I type this sooo...I know my urgings are SO WELL PLACED!)

I mean, what if Tammy doesn't want to be treestump, but is town, and now feels pressured to pick the role because of her strong-town play and she wants to be a good team-mate, but then, her passion isn't there to control the stump, and her WIM wanes, and...no...let her pick her own damn role, please.

She's really the only player in the game that would make the most out of the role imo

and you know all 19 other players' abilities well enough to determine this? I never realized we played together before.

For the record I also think tammy's town game is stellar from what I've seen, and, well, think I have a similar town game if not nearly as well refined.

For the record I do not like any of this discussing of preferences for roles pre-role picking. I'd LOOOOOVE to get into it all after everyone has chosen though. I have an entire draft-order list, and I'd like to see everyone's top choices or bottom choices, with reasons for, AFTER actual selections have taken place. Everything beforehand is clutter, imo.

Ok, we tell what role we're picking?

Oh please no!

Am I the only one forming reads or just the only on announcing them?

Town: Espeonage, Creature, PeregrineV
Scum : skybird, Spiffeh

I am forming reads.

...

That's the only way I am interpreting this post.

Have some more scum-lean points from me! Also, if you're going to start scum-reading me because of my above comments, have some more.

But that's how I get what I want!

You want my to scum-read you for X posts?

but, see, now that you did that, to me this reads as scum who realizes they pushed too hard on an idea and finds a convenient excuse to tone it back / drop it. *eye on spiff*

Other people can probably use the role well too, in my experience I think Tammy is the best choice.

Aww, now see, here, gimme some of those scum-points back.

Btw Espeonage had by far the worst reaction to my Tammy treestump suggestion

And no it's NOT just because he disagreed with me

you spoke too soon! but really, just because I'm late to the tree-stumptammytalk party, let's not rehash now that you've changed your tune. You got your reads from it, I got mine.

I knew I should have asked but I was afraid of asking :/

now the dunce cap stays on even longer

Or you guys could just talk about it in your scum PT

gimme those scum points back!

I am Dr Sandor Halverson

he was my 3rd choice, now that the draft has begun and talking about shit that actually happens instead of speculative WIFOMy what-ifs, is worthwhile!

@SirCakez : can we send our draft choice via PM so when it hits our turn in queue you've got it already (that way sayyy, if we can't post for 24 hours, there's no bottleneck?) I don't want to share publicly what I want before it is my turn (and think it best for everyone to be like that, but, not going to try and direct that agenda)

Drealmerz is a townread for me.

[KidAmn]

Tbh, I'm a little... concerned about RT myself. Mostly because after agreeing to link with me and establishing said link last night, they didn't follow me into VR to make use of it. So unless something about their townread on me changed dramatically in the last few pages of D1 (in which case, why go through with the link last night?), I kinda have to wonder why they would make the link, but not put themselves in a position to use it. It also lines up with the fact that Rauth "died fully" which if I understand the mechanics of RL/VR correctly, means the scum were also in meatspace to kill him.

first i think rauth is a ridiculous scumkill but

why look for arbitrary reasons to scumread someone based off of nka (which isnt even like clear-cut nka) instead of our iso/what we've done? or do you also have reasons there too?

I dunno about everyone else but the fact you don't sign your posts off based on which head is posting makes getting a solid read on you tricky. That said, you did kind of flail around on several different wagons before settling on Pepsiman - which was, for the record, 100% a reasonable lynch given how Cloud/Pepsi approached their role, and I hope Cloud is raging away in a dead thread somewhere. In the latter half of the day your vote was on Pepto, Dreal, Bulge and Maria, and you were already setting up your next targets. Now today, you're trying to get town to speculate on a vig and scum nokilling/being blocked, asking Rauth to data stream his target (which unless he has single posts mentioning each player would be tricky)...

I'm in a pretty shit place right now after all 3 of my SRs flipped town, so I'm re-evaluating a lot here.

PEdit:

is a town roleblocker really worth n1'ing....

if we were scum i'm honestly not sure who i'd nk. drealmerz definitely not though since he's easy to discredit

yeah uh hopefully if thats a vig shot they claim and rauth streams his roleblock target to the main thread? kind of a weird scumkill unless they figured the push for an nl was a pr-tell or something but yeah that was a horrendous vig if vig. if thats the scumkill then lol

anyway we're probably voting in {Maria, Drealmerz, Clumsy} today. maria is probably the only scum candidate off the wagon tbh (i guess pine is an option but he's a completely null lurker)

VOTE: Drealmerz

his vote on P&C was always the worst imo since a lover policy lynch makes 0 sense as does the assumption we were bussing

still floored about the flip btw p&c played like obvsvum

[RadiantTroubadour]

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

[drealmerz7]

uh fuck yes especially if their read are good but even if not, fuckyes

i'd rather just straight up go for someone with good reads especially while the whole team is alive

BULLSHIT you would

VOTE: RadiantTroubadour

[RadiantTroubadour]

yes drealmerz as town is easy to discredit but his logic is scummy here i think

[RadiantTroubadour]

uh fuck yes especially if their read are good but even if not, fuckyes

i'd rather just straight up go for someone with good reads especially while the whole team is alive

BULLSHIT you would

VOTE: RadiantTroubadour

rb is a powerful pr LATE GAME and i didnt even think those were pr tells fuck the fuck off

[MathBlade]

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

[RadiantTroubadour]

kid theres a very specific reason i didnt go in vr tonight i'm not talking about right now

and please DONT MENTION THIS IN THREAD GOOD FUCKING LORD WHAT DID I SAY D1 dusnebdjfhrvdjc

Vote RadiantTroubador

My pretty blue eyes will thank you with an Eiffel65 song if you ask nicely *wink* *wink*

i thought you and titus had brown eyes

[RadiantTroubadour]

why did i check this thread

[MathBlade]

Nope they are blue.

It is illegal to use out of game references or I would take a picture.

[drealmerz7]

why did i check this thread

you gotta set up your agenda

[drealmerz7]

MB, you do know my voting RT has nothing to do with you, right? keep it up though, you're doing great (it's kind of disconcerting and not sure what to make of it)