Open 681: Making Friends and Enemies [GAME OVER]

[CloudKicker]

1998 is a shoddy case because it is a burden of proficiency paired with weird offsite meta and trying to use it as a case against Transcend. I don't buy it at all, and nobody else should either. Claiming that Grendel is obvious tone scum that Transcend should have been able to read is a completely wonky/subjective thought that is impossible to argue against, which I am sure was your intent.

but its the truth

[CloudKicker]

my intent is to lynch scum, which is trans atm

[CloudKicker]

rileyi dont even know what was your opinion on that slot before my replace-in but i feel like you are that kind of person that cant read me correctly the first time we meet

[CloudKicker]

I couldve lied or try to bullshit stuff about titus

Yes, it was physically possible for you to do so. What's your point?

My point is that in my very post i showed that

i knew it was scummy by normal standards.

My point is

why would i do something scummy by normal standards as scum just to excuse myself about it in the very same sentence if its not because theres a gain outside appearences?

[Rileycountant]

but its the truth

I don't believe you.

[CloudKicker]

Your point is that

-> i did something scummy
-> i try to justify it

my point is that the possible scum gain lower than doing anything that isnt at face value scummy, im just trying to be transparent you know : )

[CloudKicker]

but its the truth

I don't believe you.

Well, why dont you believe me? ive known trans for years

[Rileycountant]

rileyi dont even know what was your opinion on that slot before my replace-in but i feel like you are that kind of person that cant read me correctly the first time we meet

My opinion was nullscum -> scum by PoE.

You're not doing anything to change it.

[CloudKicker]

Im a way better scum than just using fake reads "who arent arguable" and trying to use that on lylo, im using it because its an actual really real read riley

[Rileycountant]

but its the truth

I don't believe you.

Well, why dont you believe me? ive known trans for years

I'm sure that you have and that you know his meta well. I don't believe you when you say that not reading Grendel correctly equates to him being confscum. That is a fallacious argument.

[Rileycountant]

My point is that in my very post i showed that i knew it was scummy by normal standards.

My point is why would i do something scummy by normal standards as scum just to excuse myself about it in the very same sentence if its not because theres a gain outside appearences?

Many reasons to do it as scum

- Not have to give a read on your partner
- You get townpoints for "transparency"
- Stupid WIFOM games like this one.
- Nobody can question a read that doesn't exist.

There are many reasons for you to do this as scum. It's true that as scum you'd suffer a "reputation penalty", but I see you're working hard at trying to cover it up anyway.

[CloudKicker]

rileyi dont even know what was your opinion on that slot before my replace-in but i feel like you are that kind of person that cant read me correctly the first time we meet

My opinion was nullscum -> scum by PoE.

You're not doing anything to change it.

I mean, maybe you just suck at the game and youre hard townreading scum and fosing town whos 2/2 while replacing-in, you invested far more into the game than i did so



We can do the town dance if i must

[CloudKicker]

My point is that in my very post i showed that i knew it was scummy by normal standards.

My point is why would i do something scummy by normal standards as scum just to excuse myself about it in the very same sentence if its not because theres a gain outside appearences?

Many reasons to do it as scum

- Not have to give a read on your partner
- You get townpoints for "transparency"
- Stupid WIFOM games like this one.
- Nobody can question a read that doesn't exist.

There are many reasons for you to do this as scum. It's true that as scum you'd suffer a "reputation penalty", but I see you're working hard at trying to cover it up anyway.

Youre just wrong, so reasons why i would do it as scum is irrelevant, im also way better than that as scum

[CloudKicker]

i literraly asked alisae to edit out doc because i feared that people would se the hundreds of townslips on that doc and i wouldnt be fair so

[CloudKicker]

but its the truth

I don't believe you.

Well, why dont you believe me? ive known trans for years

I'm sure that you have and that you know his meta well. I don't believe you when you say that not reading Grendel correctly equates to him being confscum. That is a fallacious argument.

no its not, you dont even have the proper knwoledge to judge the accuracy or validity of my read

[Rileycountant]

Im a way better scum than just using fake reads "who arent arguable" and trying to use that on lylo, im using it because its an actual really real read riley

How do I know it's town you saying this and not scum you selling me a line of bullshit about what you would and wouldn't do?

Answer: I don't. None of the things you have pointed to that supposedly indicate you are town actually do so, and it's telling that you're so fixated on looking town(eg. the repeated "I wouldn't do this if I were scum!!" arguments and the repeated emphasis on how "transparent" you are).

[CloudKicker]

Grendel firsts posts were blatant screaming scum, a town!trans in this game not pushing it would only be possible imo because he overlooked or didnt read those posts for some reasons

[CloudKicker]

Im a way better scum than just using fake reads "who arent arguable" and trying to use that on lylo, im using it because its an actual really real read riley

How do I know it's town you saying this and not scum you selling me a line of bullshit about what you would and wouldn't do?

Answer: I don't. None of the things you have pointed to that supposedly indicate you are town actually do so, and it's telling that you're so fixated on looking town(eg. the repeated "I wouldn't do this if I were scum!!" arguments and the repeated emphasis on how "transparent" you are).

You use your reading skills ? do you think that its my job to hold your hand ? im presenting you exactly what im thinking and why yet youre dismissing everything when you shouldnt. lol

[CloudKicker]

i mean i can play scummy and maybe you could read me better

[Rileycountant]

I mean, maybe you just suck at the game and youre hard townreading scum and fosing town whos 2/2 while replacing-in, you invested far more into the game than i did so

0 interest in engaging with my read on you, instead preferring to blandly discredit me. You have no reason to do this as town.

[CloudKicker]

Why would i even buddy you riley and not trans? from your pov it feels like you think im trying to buddy you : )

[CloudKicker]

I mean, maybe you just suck at the game and youre hard townreading scum and fosing town whos 2/2 while replacing-in, you invested far more into the game than i did so

0 interest in engaging with my read on you, instead preferring to blandly discredit me. You have no reason to do this as town.

Im discrediting your opinion, which is clear garbage because i know the truth, im not discredting the validity of your inquiry nor your alignement which is different. You can be town and just suck, my win con is lynching scum not bad town

[CloudKicker]

If i wanted to replace in and bulsshit some trash reads like you think im doing, i would buddy nancy or trans, not you who i dont even know a thing lolol

[Rileycountant]

And frankly you're pulling out all this AtE but your tone is so bored and apathetic that it's artificial beyond belief

[CloudKicker]

Its againts my very will that i hard townread you so do as you please, we have the same win con so you are as much responsible as me to try to get read correctly by you and you trying to read me correctly, im doing my 50% of that goal, try to do yours and stop dismissing everything im saying just because it sounds fake