DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O


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Post Post #975 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:40 pm

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Quoted for visibility :)
In post 964, Aristophanes wrote:
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I've given up on getting pagetops lol
At least there were no vote changes! :)

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Post Post #976 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:01 pm

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In post 974, Prism wrote:Actually I take that back I really like Empking this game, I still have to ground that but it's apparent to me from my glance over that he's playing much differently than he did in Sakura Wars, where he played really poorly as scum. Whenever I read his posts I actually agree, whereas in Sakura Wars they left me scratching my head wondering why he'd go for that angle (as we were scum together)

Posts like #385 and #702 read very genuinely to me.
Link to Sakura Wars?
Also good point on those posts.

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Post Post #977 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:18 pm

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In post 959, Almost Chara wrote:Shepard. it was a grammar slip. not a Freudian slip. and you aren't
listening to that simple fact
, nor even entertaining it, which is why players are getting frustrated and not listening to you.

actual scumslips are accidentally revealing knowledge only scum would know. accidentally posting in the wrong thread. accidentally messing up a claim and revealing the lie. not mixing up two words that are typed so often and in such quantities in a mafia game that it's very easy to slip.
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This! This is what I was asking for.

Why can't people do this?

*sigh*

Gut still says you are scum and it still says that was a true post before the edit but this is something I can at least somewhat accept. Like why do people just have to say I suck because player X sucks and we think you are player X so your reads auto suck instead of just this?
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Post Post #978 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:21 pm

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Kinda sad it comes from a top tier scumread though.

VOTE: Unvote

Prism,Wraith, and Empking are my top townreads.

Prism you have my vote even if it is on me.

Where do you want it?

I still scumread AC and T&B but I won't be listened to sooooo
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Post Post #979 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:27 pm

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Sorry I truly cannot play.

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hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
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Post Post #980 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:29 pm

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You will be missed nancy!

Searching for a replacement now.
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Post Post #981 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:35 pm

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That was the most fucking town replace out I've seen.
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Post Post #982 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:35 pm

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Oh noes. Thanks for leaving us a readslist though. I hope things are better for you in other games!

What Chara said there is sort-of what everyone's been trying to say but Chara just explained it really well. Glad you finally understand, Shepard. I'm sorry if it felt like people were dismissing you unreasonably.

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Post Post #983 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:50 pm

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:( :( Bye nancy. You seem nice. I will miss you.

Meh. Moving on sounds good.
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Post Post #984 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:53 pm

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did i explain it that well? i was just frustrated and ended up being more prickly than i wanted to be, rereading it now. apologies, Shepard.

i'm not entirely caught up on the pages from today, so i'll do that.
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Post Post #985 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:44 pm

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Teh hi
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Post Post #986 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:07 pm

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Nothing else to say except that prism's case on AC is continuing to feel like a stretch, and possibly a scummy one. He seems to be picking on weird stuff that is just not AI.
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Post Post #987 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:35 am

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I'm back. I'm on Page 11, so I imagine catch up will take quite a while, hence if you have anything for me, let me know.
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Post Post #988 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:09 am

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In post 285, Wraith wrote:* Again I'm super-skeptical of Infinity's Miller claim. It was totally unprompted, but that means nothing when it comes to Miller claims - it could just as easily be scum trying to preemptively justify an investigation result as it could be town preemptively attempting to dispel uncertainty. But his flavor claim (Edward V) makes absolutely no sense IMO. Richard III would make much more sense for a Miller. Miller also seems like a very unusual pick for a Mini, unless it's only part of the role.
You've stated twice now that a Miller is an unusual pick for a Mini which isn't the case and isn't actually something that I understand; can you explain your reasoning behind this? I don't understand why you added the bit about the claim being unprompted but that meaning absolutely nothing.

Your "his flavor claim makes no sense!" attack also makes absolutely no sense (your alternative for a "good" miller claim is a king that probably murdered his brother which is less miller material and more scum material whereas "not being crowned but still being a king" makes infinitely more sense for a miller claim but you haven't tried to address this in the least bit")

The majority of your content otherwise is "this post is horrible! i like this post!". My expectation would be that there would be a few things that you'd comment on and dive deeper than the most surface level possible.
In post 313, Prism wrote:I also made no attempt to pass them off as something more or, more importantly, something that people would agree with. My push on Chara I especially expected to be the only one to feel this way.
And this is where we disagreed. I'm not sure that there's anything more we can move forward with in regards to this particular point.
In post 313, Prism wrote:I think this is a puzzling mischaracterization, in the sense that it's one that you had no reason to make. Specifically, while I was this way during Sakura Wars, you've repeatedly seen that I think of my play in terms of utility first, artistry second, and have explicitly acknowledged that I do not mind dying at all, even preferring it that way, as scum.
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Is there a characterization of you that was inaccurate that you didn't cover in this spurt of posting?
The "I didn't expect people to believe my case" isn't something that's immediately obvious; you posted a sizeable wall, you went in depth, you sold the read.
The using activity as a point against you was a bad interpretation yes, but I don't think that it's a particularly unreasonable one unless you expect me to be aware of your schedule.
The "sticking your neck out" point is a point where you're either completely confused as to what I'm saying or I'm completely confused as to what you're rebuttal is saying.
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Post Post #989 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:09 am

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Post Post #990 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:23 am

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In post 317, Tea and Biscuits wrote:It feels like you're trying to find something to nitpick for the sake of it, allowing you to criticise Infinity without having to commit to a real push on him.
So, I suppose I understand this argument. I don't understand the strength of it.
Wraith seems to be looking for something to nitpick for nitpicking's sake, allowing him to drift along in the game without having to commit to a real push period. I don't understand why Wraith not wanting to push Infinity means they're scumbuddies - it might also mean that he's reluctant to open himself up to criticism to that degree, it might also mean that he's testing the waters before making a sizeable post (before, Infinity was the only person he felt comfortable talking about, then I started attacking his criticism of the miller claim and then suddenly Infinity isn't a significant read at all).
In post 323, Tea and Biscuits wrote:Scum!Wraith can call out scum!Infinity for faking a miller claim.
If this was the case, I don't think his criticism of it would be so transparently horrible.
In post 334, Wraith wrote:How strange it is that T&B is shifting to attacking me immediately after I shifted against him, but his avenue of attack completely ignores my most recent posts where I changed my view on Infinity.
Except... this didn't happen.
A large part of Postie's push against you was based on you nitpicking against Infinity but having no intention of following through with an actual push, which your new viewpoint supports pretty solidly.
In post 356, Infinity 324 wrote:This continued "nacho will scumread this" posting kind of bothers me
The "Nacho will scumread this" posting is probably the posting I've liked the most, oddly enough.
In post 361, Prism wrote:Wraith's reaction to the miller claim was really good, even if I disagree with it:
Can you explain where you're coming from with this?
Why is Wraith's reaction to the miller claim any sort of good and why hasn't my attack on Wraith factored in your read on me at all?
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Post Post #991 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:30 am

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So what does Miller do?
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Post Post #992 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:32 am

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If a cop investigates a miller, they return a guilty result despite the fact that the miller is aligned with the Town.
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Post Post #993 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:45 am

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Is there anything that I can do to help you get a little more engaged in the game, Superjack?
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Post Post #994 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:48 am

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<3 that's good. I should be back into it more. Just been feeling run down recently.

Is it just Sheriff it confuses? What about corner, or invest?
What about when it flips?
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Post Post #995 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:49 am

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It doesn't confuse anything but cop, and when it flips, it flips as a Miller.
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Post Post #996 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:52 am

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In post 994, Tea and Biscuits wrote:<3 that's good. I should be back into it more. Just been feeling run down recently.

Is it just Sheriff it confuses? What about corner, or invest?
What about when it flips?
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Post Post #997 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:01 am

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Don't know what those roles do but it just confuses normal cop (or sheriff). Flips as town miller.
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Post Post #998 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:02 am

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In post 379, Infinity 324 wrote:Nacho, what do you think about wraith being different from OotS?
Wraith being different from OotS and his usual towngames is one of the things that are standing out to me in particular. For one, the way he's approaching scumhunting this game (in particular his viewpoint on you) is different from how I've seen him approach the game in the past - there's been nothing in his posts that show him working through his paranoia, he just has a couple of vague and absolutely horrible reasons to doubt your claim and then he says he feels OK about you because "activity" (extremely shallow read), and the rest of the reads he gives are just opinions; there isn't anything that shows him doing anything but going through the motions and that's a far cry from the Wraith as town that I've seen before.

Now, a degree of this (in particular the going through the motions bit) could just be from burnout/loss of stamina, but the treatment of you still hasn't really been explained to my satisfaction and that treatment of you being something that's incredibly unnatural regardless of whether he's burnt out or not is why it's remained such a sticking point for me.
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Post Post #999 (ISO) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:10 am

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Does that make sense or is it now completely useless?

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