Open 680: C9++ (Abandoned due to mod error. See new thread)

[ThinkBig]

Vote Count 1.01

Shannon (2)

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Cogmachine, defnotmafia

Excel (3)

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FireScreamer, Umlaut, Alchemist21

defnotmafia (2)

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davesaz, Charloux

CogMachine (1)

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beeboy

tojam2 (1)

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Shannon

Charloux (1)

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Ircher

Not Voting (3):

Excel, tojam2, TwoFace,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

D1 deadline is this time and date or in (expired on 2017-04-17 12:22:58).

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MOD/VLA NOTES

-ThinkBig, the moderator, is V/LA on weekends. Aristophanes will be taking over vote counts during this time.

[Alchemist21]

20 by itself means nothing and can be brushed off easily; but coupled with 24 it suggests a degree of seriousness. That means that 1)beeboy is using himself as a guinea pig for kickstarting the game by doing something scummy, or 2)he failed to see the IC meaning he didn't even pay attention when he put the vote down.
Fake content is usually forced content imo

But TwoFace is the IC, not Cogmachine, so I don't see how #2 is even relevant to Beeboy's posts.

[Aristophanes]

Let's make this my Backup Mod Egopost

Make this the real mod's ego edit!

[Umlaut]

It's been nine hours, can I call out Excel for lurking yet?

[beeboy]

20 by itself means nothing and can be brushed off easily; but coupled with 24 it suggests a degree of seriousness. That means that 1)beeboy is using himself as a guinea pig for kickstarting the game by doing something scummy, or 2)he failed to see the IC meaning he didn't even pay attention when he put the vote down.
Fake content is usually forced content imo

Why are you opting to vote RVS over me?

[davesaz]

I see Charloux's point, but the point itself is a bit more forced to me than the thing he's pointing out.
Alchemist's and beeboy's responses are both ok as an initial response.
Umlaut, I'm gonna guess that you aren't really serious. Or are you?

[Umlaut]

Not really serious, just kind of impatient for something to happen. The questions for Cbarloux were good but his answer, while it does seem forced, feels more like town looking for somewhere to start than scum looking for an easy push.

[davesaz]

How do you feel about FireScreamer?

[shannon]

Hey Umlaut, you mentioned a tool you wrote to work out the setup based on known info. I know we don't really have much info yet, but I'd love to know more about the tool and how it works.

[FireScreamer]

How do you feel about FireScreamer?

He's a good egg.

[Charloux]

Why are you opting to vote RVS over me?

Apart from RVS I don't like putting votes on people I don't have at least a moderate scumread on.
The thing I pointed out is more likely the 1st case (kickstarting the game), it's just that my english degraded for some reason and I failed to word it out properly.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: beeboy

[Excel]

Sorry I was inactive. I have a life.

VOTE: beeboy for 20 and 24. Either you were

REALLY

dumb about those posts or you are scum.

[FireScreamer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ircher

The great Bee boy counterwagon emerges.

[TwoFace]

Who is he a counter wagon to? Certainly not ircher. The largest wagon was on excel and prettybsure that was just rvs

[FireScreamer]

I meant Ircher is the counterwagon to Beeboy and folks should hop aboard.

[TwoFace]

Oh

Why ircher

[FireScreamer]

Constantly reminding us how slow a day old rvs game is strikes me as insincere. Trying to get us to talk about ourselves is only something I've ever done if I want to talk about myself in an effort to set something up later.

[Charloux]

Hey Ircher, lets talk a bit; Why the vote on me?

[Umlaut]

Hey Umlaut, you mentioned a tool you wrote to work out the setup based on known info. I know we don't really have much info yet, but I'd love to know more about the tool and how it works.

Spoiler: Nerd talk

So, I have

• a bunch of specific predicate functions for taking a C9++ draw and asking things like "Is there any cop?", "Is there a one-shot cop?", "Is there a serial killer?", etc., e.g.

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  (sk? '(T T T C V D M)) -> #t
  (sk? '(T T C V D D M)) -> #f

  
  
• an initial probability distribution over all possible C9++ draws. I generated this algorithmically but now it's stored as just a big association list.
  
• a function "condition" that accepts a predicate and a probability distribution, and returns the new probability distribution conditional on that predicate's truth.
  
• a function "prob" that takes a predicate and a probability distribution, and returns the probability that that predicate holds.

When I get new information I generate and save a new probability distribution by conditioning on that information. Or I can just condition on something to see what would happen. E.g.

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(prob maf-godfather? (condition (disjoin full-cop? doctor?) *initial-distribution*))

will tell me the probability of a godfather conditional on there being either a cop or a doctor.

This is of course limited to conditioning on information that eliminates possibilities altogether. For example, in principle every lynch of a townie ought to slightly increase our credence that there are two scum as opposed to three (because we're more likely to hit town when there are more town to hit), but there is no way to condition on that with this tool.

[beeboy]

Sorry I was inactive. I have a life.

VOTE: beeboy for 20 and 24. Either you were

REALLY

dumb about those posts or you are scum.

r u srs?

[Umlaut]

^

[Umlaut]

Sorry I was inactive. I have a life.

VOTE: beeboy for 20 and 24. Either you were

REALLY

dumb about those posts or you are scum.

This is a scummy "get off my back" followed by a scummy read.

[shannon]

Thanks for that (she says, pretending that she knows anything about coding, or that she remembers anything from logic class).

I have one little question, based on the wiki. If the mod picks seven numbers and repeats are allowed, why do all of the role assignations other than T stop before 7? (E.g. V up to 5, but no further explanation of what would happen if you got 6 or 7 Vs.). Is it just presumed that the pattern keeps repeating, or is there some other rule that prevents all the letters from being non-T?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

That hopefully concludes the newbie setup questions.

[Alchemist21]

I'm happy with keeping my vote on Excel. He doesn't give reasoning for why Beeboy's posts are scummy, so I guess they just are because he says they are.