mini-normal 1892 - GAME END - Bodies, all over the floor

[horrordude0215]

We lynch town/Frank today = mafia win
We lynch mafia today, Frank shoots mafia = Town win
We lynch mafia today, Frank shoots town = Frank win assuming BP is legit.

[FrankJaeger]

And i dont think i win if I lynch town

[horrordude0215]

If you lynch town mafia have 50% of town and they win. Your only hope is scumhunting with the rest of us, ironically enough.

[FrankJaeger]

Well idk how my bp comes into play if 1 maf 1 sk

[FrankJaeger]

Well wont the night have to play out in that situation?

[horrordude0215]

Yeah if it's 3P with 1 sk 1 maf 1 town then night actions would determine winner.

[Ms Columbo]

Because Im the SK bro.

Town lets make a deal.

U lose today if im lynched.

Lets try and catch scum today and maybe i hit scum tonight and 2 town will be left tommorow and you win.

Frank, I was actually thinking something similar. Town and SK need to vote together today for either of us to have a chance to win. Assuming 2 town/2 mafia/1 SK, if we lynch mafia then N3 starts with 2 town/1 mafia/1 SK. And then the head game begins. Who does what to whom?

I think it's a mistake for town to reveal their roles. If town has PR(s), no need broadcast to mafia/SK who is/is not a good target for N3.

@horror - are you claiming to be town?

@jae - are you claiming to be town?

Nero and I have both claimed town and Frank has claimed SK.

[JaeReed]

ok so far I'm up to p11 because I'm a lazy twat sorry, also been sorting things to go to airlie to help my grandmother after the cyclone hit her, so fun stuff. anyways, i'll just post my notes for now so you know where i'm up to and general thoughts

Spoiler:

Up to page 6: could understand ties between my slot and horror despite being wrong, horror seems kinda opportunistic with his vote placing on obv lynchbait.
That said, seems like a genuine attempt to sort the tvt between LQ/Hans?
209 is kinda bad though, it feels really posturey and I can't really explain it beyond that but i hate it.

163 by Frank is weak reasoning. Meh.
215 not loving this post, just reminds me of a scumbuddy in a past game and how I tend to react as scum when I feel like I need to respond to something to not be SR but don't know how. I might be reading too much into it though since I liked a lot of posts between the 163 to here mark.

219 by bjc is kinda interesting, along with 221 by desully. I don't really know whether an interesting by way of "this means something" interesting or whether I'm looking too much into this though. I'll probably want to look at this in VCA once I get through the rest of this to see if it's a pattern.

So I don't want to discount the possibility of Frank telling the truth but I don't want to trust him outright here. There's a reason for this but idunno if outing it is strictly pro-town so I guess if Frank wants elaboration he can ask, if not I'm not likely to elaborate.

[JaeReed]

@jae - are you claiming to be town?

No, I'm 3rd party lyncher - target Uzi, so I already lost.

Spoiler: ask a stupid question....

Get a stupid answer.

Anyone at this point will claim town. I can go into why for each scenario but it's a pointless question that doesn't help me to sort your motivations tbh.

[horrordude0215]

I've been really slacking on this game, and I'm sorry. I will have a post up by tomorrow at the latest, but hopefully by today.

Also, deadline is 3 days away - just FYI for everyone.

[horrordude0215]

Will look over gameplay and things soon, just putting this down here for now.

LicketyQuickety

- 7 -

Lil Uzi Vert

, Nero Cain,

Superhans

,

momo

,

bjc0303

, Desully,

Fart

ThinkBig

- 5 - horrordude0215,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Desully,

FrankJaeger

, Nero Cain

Nero and Desully were on both mislynch wagons, and there is no way that the LQ lynch was 100% town.

[horrordude0215]

Looking at ISO, I'm definitely not thrilled with Nero.

129 - Voting me because my initial vote on bj was "horrible", despite the fact that it was page 4 and the entirety of the thread to that point was LQ/Hans TVT. You later stated that I was attempting to whiteknight/chainsaw defend LQ because I stated he tried to get the game started. That's as much of a stretch as my initial vote was.

I don't really like the BJ wagon. Could kinda see momo following a "strong" town or sheeping his scumbuddy.

Momo had some suspicion on him at that point from a few players, and while this wasn't a viable wagon at this point, knowing the fact that both momo and LQ (the alleged scumbuddy, whom no one had called "strong" town at that point) both flipped town looks bad.

I don't think I really have anything to add other than desully is town for me now and BJ is conf town since I don't see scum ever counterclaiming like that...especially for a BG.

This is for me in case Nero flips scum. Claiming Desully was town when his content in the thread at that point had consisted of hopping on the LQ wagon without justification and saying Frank was scum because he posted a reads list with 5 people isolated on it... it makes no sense, and I can't see a town player actually justifying this read.

Nero, can you please explain your case on me? The reasoning I see thus far from your ISO is that you didn't like my initial vote on BJ.

TBF, there's been plenty of games where I have tunneled a player when I didn't like their content from the early game.

I just ISO'd you and to be honest there's nothing that makes me go "oh I was wrong , this is town." I'm still not a huge fan of your BJ vote and I'd like an answer to this.

I'm personally usually hesitant about outing townreads with only a few exceptions.

yet you were calling a TvT fight earlier. Why were you not hesitant then?

You were tunneled on BJ all of d1. I know its slightly hypocritical since I tunnel often but I also think scum will sometimes have a limited scum list and be glued on 1 or 2 players at a time so that its "just enough" to get by.

What do you think I should be town reading you for?

I think horror just made a wolf in sheeps clothing move

He was obvious scum. You can stop this "I'm town look at me be so surprised" act.

I don't see how you go from "what should I be town reading you for?" to "He was obvscum".

[horrordude0215]

Will look over gameplay and things soon, just putting this down here for now.

LicketyQuickety

- 7 -

Lil Uzi Vert

, Nero Cain,

Superhans

,

momo

,

bjc0303

,

Desully

,

Fart

ThinkBig

- 5 - horrordude0215,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Desully

,

FrankJaeger

, Nero Cain

Nero and Desully were on both mislynch wagons, and there is no way that the LQ lynch was 100% town.

Note that I actually am an idiot and had somehow got it in my head that Desully was still alive. Post updated.

[horrordude0215]

Jae's ISO is giving me a whole lot of nothing. If they could get back and post the rest of their thoughts on the game soon, it would be great.

Columbo has a lot of posts, but the fact that she has only placed one vote all game - on bj, which she then unvoted after the LQ CC, worries me.

Finally back. I was thrown off originally because Nero is still alive. But with Creature/bjc dead, my guess is they guarded Nero. Time those ISO reads.

This makes no sense. There is nothing in BJ's ISO that indicate he would be protecting Nero at night, and you haven't given any indication that you townread him in any way yourself. Jumping in from out of nowhere to say that you're surprised he's alive looks like buddying a partner in lylo.

Frank has claimed SK so I'm not worried about ISOing him as there's nothing that can be gained from associations there.

If I had to pick the scumteam right now, I'd say Nero/Columbo.

[FrankJaeger]

I can see nero being scum. Every.single.one of neros pushes on me seems to be b.s.

And by BS i mean he would do nothing when i pushed him back. Town nero doesnt do that does he?

[FrankJaeger]

Horror and jae possible team

[horrordude0215]

Okay, looking at Columbo's games I can see that she actually very rarely votes in any of her games, so that's not a tell here.

Columbo was town in Micro 661 and scum in Newbie 1760. Just based on content and activity alone I see her trying significantly harder and making more attempts at scumhunting in her town game, while her scum game is more laid back and go with the flow. Her play in this game appears to be much like that of her scum game than town.

[Nero Cain]

Every.single.one of neros pushes on me seems to be b.s.

YOU. ARE. CLAIMED. SCUM.

This meand I was right to have a scum read on you. lol

[Nero Cain]

and like, a simple look in your ISO shows that the only time you ever interacted with me is to deny that you were whiteknighting so, like, no.

[horrordude0215]

Have you ever played with LQ, Frank?

No

So how do you know he's a good player? Your post is very much whiteknighting.

Have you ever played with LQ, Frank?

No

So how do you know he's a good player? Your post is very much whiteknighting.

I was asked to explain my town read...
Whiteknighting is kind of an extreme description.

I think whitknighting is a pretty good description. I mean if you are using "scum are the ones pushing LQ" to town read him why not tell me why my reasoning to suspect him is wrong.

My current tinfoil is that both Momo and Frank are whiteknighting you so you look like town when one of those two flip.

to be frank, I aven't had to yell and scream to get what I wanted. You say your play is "wonky" and that I am pushing you for just having an odd playstyle. Not true. You opportunistically tried to lay the ground work to wagon me but when I questioned you on it your responses weren't up to par and

ate

-y

Nero/Columbo's entire interactions today have screamed scumbuddies.

They both open the day conveniently townreading each other despite not having even mentioned each other in their ISOs for the first 2 days. They're going for the lylo mislynch.

[horrordude0215]

Ignore the quotes in that last post. Those weren't supposed to be there.

@Mod: any chance you can remove those?

[horrordude0215]

Somebody should do an autopsy on frank imo

This was meant to say Fart

DeSully killed Fart, Frank killed LUV, So scum is responsible for the Creature/bjc death. It wouldn't surprise me at all if scum actually just flat out killed Creature instead of creature dying because they protected someone. That brings Columbo's 1225 even more problematic fmpov.

I'm pretty sold on Columbo/Nero scumteam. If this ended up being multiball with Frank/Jae being another scumteam, I'm kingmaker for the second game in a row, and fuck this whole site.

VOTE: Nero

Best place for me right now.

[FrankJaeger]

Every.single.one of neros pushes on me seems to be b.s.

YOU. ARE. CLAIMED. SCUM.

This meand I was right to have a scum read on you. lol

Again you dont include what I said with context.
And you know this.

Youre also attempting to change the frame of convo.

My point is your pushes look fake.
You can have a scum read on me all day and never explain why.
Me being SK has nothing to do with anything.

[FrankJaeger]

and like, a simple look in your ISO shows that the only time you ever interacted with me is to deny that you were whiteknighting so, like, no.

Why iso me when the topic is your weird pushes

[horrordude0215]

Somebody should do an autopsy on frank imo

This was meant to say Fart

DeSully killed Fart, Frank killed LUV, So scum is responsible for the Creature/bjc death.

Okay so I'm tired and this is wrong because Fart Died N1 instead of N2. DeSully killed Fart, Frank killed Alban, so scum is responsible for the Superhans death, which makes absolutely no sense to me after looking at Hans' ISO because the only thing Hans did all day was tunnel on LQ.

Whatever, I'm obviously delusional right now so NKA will get me nowhere.

Frank, talk to me. What are your thoughts on scum right now?