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Post Post #3000 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:40 am

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In post 2998, Accountant wrote:
In post 2994, Umlaut wrote:No
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Scotsman can deny what is self-evident.
What was the point behind this post?
The content of your theory is that anyone "with eyes" can see the truth of your axioms, but you render this unfalsifiable by saying that if someone doesn't see their truth this suffices to show they are "without eyes." This is the No True Scotsman fallacy.
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Post Post #3001 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:44 am

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In post 2999, Umlaut wrote:How is Achilles not already doing what you recommend?
Humans (or tortoises) will not do stuff like that just because you ask them. You have to go through a proper re-education process, put him in a center, apply social, physical and mental pressure and so on until he thinks the same way you do. It is very weak and lazy to just go "DO IT" and then act surprised that the person is not re-educated.

This isn't achilles' fault; he does not have the infrastructure or knowledge to do this. but it does explain why his re-education attempts are pathetic at best.
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Post Post #3002 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:44 am

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In post 3000, Umlaut wrote:The content of your theory is that anyone "with eyes" can see the truth of your axioms, but you render this unfalsifiable by saying that if someone doesn't see their truth this suffices to show they are "without eyes." This is the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Many parts of the correct path have been proven unrealistic or logically fallacious. Yet nobody has explained to me why this is bad.
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.

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Post Post #3003 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:46 am

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In post 3002, Accountant wrote:
In post 3000, Umlaut wrote:The content of your theory is that anyone "with eyes" can see the truth of your axioms, but you render this unfalsifiable by saying that if someone doesn't see their truth this suffices to show they are "without eyes." This is the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Many parts of the correct path have been proven unrealistic or logically fallacious. Yet nobody has explained to me why this is bad.
utopia's are supposed to be perfect. If there is an error, it is no longer perfect, thus, you have to get rid of the errors.
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Post Post #3004 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:48 am

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A claim can't be logically fallacious, only an argument can be logically fallacious.

An argument with a logical fallacy is not orderly, therefore you should already understand that it's bad. Have you failed to apply correct morality?
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Post Post #3005 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:57 am

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In post 3003, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:utopia's are supposed to be perfect. If there is an error, it is no longer perfect, thus, you have to get rid of the errors.
Can you explain why something being logically fallacious is necessarily an error?

Also, the fallacious argument isn't part of utopia, since the fallacious argument is an argument about a type of person that does not exist in utopia.
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Post Post #3006 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:58 am

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In post 3004, Umlaut wrote:An argument with a logical fallacy is not orderly, therefore you should already understand that it's bad. Have you failed to apply correct morality?
How is the argument asymmetrical?
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Post Post #3007 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:34 am

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How can the correct path be real if our eyes aren't real?
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Post Post #3008 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:42 am

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In post 3007, Shaziro wrote:How can the correct path be real if our eyes aren't real?
Checkmate
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #3009 (ISO) » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:43 am

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In post 3007, Shaziro wrote:How can the correct path be real if our eyes aren't real?
The premise of the question is incoherent. There's no such thing as being "real" when it comes to a concept.
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Post Post #3010 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:31 am

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In post 14880, Accountant wrote:Wait.
any act, speech, words, publication or other thing shall not be deemed to be seditious by reason only that it has a tendency —
(c) to persuade the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore to attempt to procure by lawful means the alteration of any matter in Singapore;
Isn't this the case? I usually promote education and peaceful transfer of power over violent revolt, except in the most extreme cases.
It doesn't matter if you usually promote education and peaceful transfer of power, you also promote violent revolt if the former doesn't work, which immediately drops it back into illegal.
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Post Post #3011 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:31 am

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It's the equivalent of "I usually don't shoplift, unless I really can't afford the thing after a while, in which case I just steal the one thing."
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Post Post #3012 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:08 pm

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Unless the correct path says that shoplifting the thing is the only path to utopia*

And if it was illegal, why aren't I arrested yet?
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Post Post #3013 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:28 pm

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Just because something is illegal does not mean it is instantly enforced. It is illegal for people to kill other people, but people get away with murder all the time.
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Post Post #3014 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:29 pm

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When the police show up, just tell them that you can't be guilty because you haven't been arrested yet.
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #3015 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:05 pm

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In post 3013, Shaziro wrote:Just because something is illegal does not mean it is instantly enforced. It is illegal for people to kill other people, but people get away with murder all the time.
I would never murder someone, because it's illegal.
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Post Post #3016 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:06 pm

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In post 3015, Accountant wrote:
In post 3013, Shaziro wrote:Just because something is illegal does not mean it is instantly enforced. It is illegal for people to kill other people, but people get away with murder all the time.
I would never murder someone, because it's illegal.
This response has literally nothing to do with what Shaziro said
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #3017 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:07 pm

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Murder isn't illegal?
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Post Post #3018 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:07 pm

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In post 3016, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3015, Accountant wrote:
In post 3013, Shaziro wrote:Just because something is illegal does not mean it is instantly enforced. It is illegal for people to kill other people, but people get away with murder all the time.
I would never murder someone, because it's illegal.
This response has literally nothing to do with what Shaziro said
Yes it does. Shaziro argues that my speech amounts to sedition, which is illegal. I argue that I would never do anything illegal, because I am righteous, and offer the fact that I have not been charged as doing something illegal in a court of law to support that fact.
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Post Post #3019 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:08 pm

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In post 3017, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Murder isn't illegal?
It is.
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Post Post #3020 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:08 pm

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No, it's not at all.
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Post Post #3021 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:09 pm

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In post 3020, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:No, it's not at all.
It is.
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Post Post #3022 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:09 pm

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Prove it.
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Post Post #3023 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:13 pm

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"the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

literally says unlawful right there
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Post Post #3024 (ISO) » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:14 pm

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In post 3018, Accountant wrote:
In post 3016, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3015, Accountant wrote:
In post 3013, Shaziro wrote:Just because something is illegal does not mean it is instantly enforced. It is illegal for people to kill other people, but people get away with murder all the time.
I would never murder someone, because it's illegal.
This response has literally nothing to do with what Shaziro said
Yes it does. Shaziro argues that my speech amounts to sedition, which is illegal. I argue that I would never do anything illegal, because I am righteous, and offer the fact that I have not been charged as doing something illegal in a court of law to support that fact.
Not a counterargument to what he said
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?

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