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[Nero Cain]

Keyser is town, it won't happen.

Why?

[keyenpeydee]

“...there is power in self-sacrifice.”

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 1.09

[4] momo:

Not_Mafia, zakk, Srceenplay, PenguinPower,

[3] Keyser Söze:

WhemeStar, Radiant Moonlight, Nero Cain,

[2] Radiant Moonlight:

BTD6_maker, Transcend,

[2] WhemeStar:

alban, Mewtaph,

[2] Not_Mafia:

Aristophanes, Ramcius,

[2] zakk:

Creature, Elena Fisher,

[1] Creature:

Ircher,

[1] alban:

momo,

NOT VOTING:

rb, shos, Keyser Söze,

MOD NOTES:

momo is the leading wagon. rb is V/LA for the next 2 days. His V/LA will end in April 8. BTD6_maker is V/LA until April 14th.

With

20

alive, it takes

11

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2017-04-19 00:05:00)

.

[keyenpeydee]

Please guys, as much as possible, vote like this VOTE: Keyen because I might miss your bold vote. I don't want that to happen.

[Keyser Söze]

Investigation file: momo

BTW, I started the wagon on Wheme as an rvs push. Why did people commit to it so hard??? I will be trying to find scum on that wagon??

My gut-read of this is still negative. The tone feels off. [Something petty: I didn't like his continuous use of multiple/excessive question marks ("??"), but he used them as town in our last game together, so less annoyed with them now]

Also, Not seems very flip floppy, trying to please everyone. First he followed me on wheme and the followed wheme on me. Looks like he wants to please everyone so that he is not lynched.

I personally don't read flip-flopping behaviour as scum indicative during early/RVS D1 play. But ok, I can see why someone would scum-read that behaviour in isolation.

Okay momo is scum we can speed lynch this

Even more proof for my case....

Ok, potentially OMGUS-fueled reaction to Not_Mafia's wagon-pushing.

Can somebody please tell me their thoughts on the case on Not??

It seems more solid than the nero one to me....

momo is confident on his Not_Mafia scum-case ranking it more solid than the scum-case on Nero Cain! Is this town-momo taking pride in his own scum-case on a player?

Where is the town???????

Guys unlike some of you people I am actively trying to solve the game. Not and Nero pushing the Wheme wagon that I meant as rvs strikes me as scummy. Thoughts on this????

Real or false frustration?

At the time of reading I thought all of this was scum-theatre (scum-distancing gone wrong).

I would tell you to play to you wincon but your acting as if your wincon is mislynching townies.

Again, I don't believe the tone/sincerity of this post.

Happy??????

F U guys.

It is generally agreed by many people on this site (including Transcend) that I am lynchbait. So be smart and see past it...

Ok, the

'frustrated' element of his play is now raging up to boiling point

.

VOTE: alban

alban just GAVE AN EXCUSE for mislynching townies

99% scum

"99% scum"? - I don't know about that. Alban did made a questionable decision to hunt for spammers rather then scum, but that is not a "99%" slam-dunk scum-catch.

What happened to your scum-feels on Not_Mafia, Nero Cain and Creature? (still strong?)



Thus, going back to Ircher's two statements:

"The Momo wagon is bad and you guys and gals know it" and "Because he has done nothing highly indicative of scum; he's lynchbait at worst"

...
True, I cannot find anything "highly indicative of scum". Most of my suspicion lies in the fact that I don't believe the tone of his posts as from a townie. momo has been pressuring/questioning players that I too do not town read (Not_Mafia, Nero Cain, Creature, alban), so perhaps my scum-theatre theory is making me blind to momo's actual reads (which are actually similar to mine, if not for the same reasons).

Re-reading his ISO, he doesn't look CAUGHT-SCUM anymore

. My remaining concern is:

is this 'frustrated townie' or 'fake-frustrated'?

QUESTIONS:

1) Has anyone seen TOWN-momo become this frustated before? (Even citing his own town-meta as a defence of being easy lynchbait).
2) Do you think momo taking pride in his Not_Mafia scum-case is alignment indicative? I.e is town-momo more likely to get disheartened if no-one is listening to him?

[Keyser Söze]

Hello, Aristophanes.

Your vote is still in RVS

. Are you trying to sort players in your faction PT?


You have offered two (town?) reads so far (two defences).

On momo:

Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!

And WhemeStar:

This where's tar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?

What are your actual thoughts on the arguments used against them? (Your thoughts on them concern only the speed/size of the wagon on them).

[Srceenplay]

@keyser
I have just played with Momo town and scum.

As town he was in 1v1. Ended up giving up and basically conceding. Lynched.

As scum he was mentioned as scum and then said " so vote yume?" Yume was the popular mislynch wagon.

So as town, concedes.
As scum throws attention somewhere else.

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Momo

[Creature]

I haven't seen scum!momo get this frustated either.

[Creature]

tbh I don't see scum!momo doing much.

[Creature]

It feels like he's posting but at the same time not posting.

[Keyser Söze]

Is 'alban' the 'Yume' in this scenario?

There were 2 votes on alban... momo added the third (Wheme and Ircher have since unvoted alban).

[Creature]

Also, frustrated town usually doesn't mean to look frustrated.

[Keyser Söze]

our hood is like 3 pages of Titus yelling that she's right, RC claiming scum, me wanting to slam dunk Key and RB being "v/la".

It's time to gut that PT and share those thoughts, please.

Because that hydra isn't adding signatures to their posts it is hard to connect their thoughts-reads-votes.

[I think one head t/reads me, the other s/reads me...? I want some ownership.]

I wouldn't call it active lurking, but they aren't dominating as I thought they would with two strong voices (they are whispering).

[Radiant Moonlight]

We'll sort ourselves at our own pace. We'll be loud when we're ready. We own our slot.

[Srceenplay]

I haven't seen scum!momo get this frustated either.

I don't see it as genuine frustration.
His self meta as lynchbait comes across as an excuse.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Can we stop pushing the dichotomy that an emotion that fake = scum and real = town? Titus was genuinely frustrated in Rogue One mafia.

It's a better question to ask why momo is frustrated.

[Creature]

It's a better question to ask what about the other players.

[momo]

This is self meta but I have been mislynched so many times I just get frustrated by the possibility. Like I can't always be scum people

[Nero Cain]

momo, I learned along time ago that most players are just junk. That said you should stop ignoring my question or I'll policy vote you.

[Nero Cain]

It's time to gut that PT and share those thoughts, please.

no its not.

[Creature]

The PT so far looks pretty uninteresting.

[Ircher]

You vote whemestar
You question him and his actions
You call it an RVS and people voting it are scumy
Then you call wheme and NotMafia scumy
Then you call it RVS again

The wagon STARTED with an rvs vote. 2nd post of p.2 I think.

Anyway, Wheme started reacting a bit scummy so I questioned him.

Then it suddenly became a huge deal and it looked like an early lynch was a possibility.

I stopped then because short D1 mislynch is never good for town.

Better safe than sorry.

Nero and Not seemed TOO eager.

Happy??????

Ok, here we go.... (Sorry if I'm very incoherent...)

Spoiler: Momo ISO - Day 1

1. 111 --> Confronts Wheme on his "Does it matter?" post -->

I feel like the majority of us would agree that this is a decent if not good post from Momo. Wheme's post definitely causes people to question his motives, and Momo's post highlights that suspicion. --> Townish (+1)

2. 128 - Responds to Wheme's 113, talks about the buildup of the Wheme wagon, and then switches topics and votes Not_Mafia for wagon-hopping -->

The response to Wheme's post was acceptable -- Wheme's post was kinda bad (though not scummy) imo. The rest of the post is.... not so great. You may have started the Wheme wagon, but you didn't propel it forward. What propelled it was Wheme and Not_Mafia asking people to vote Wheme. Your concern for its buildup seems exaggerated. The argument you used to attack Not_Mafia is a very questionable argument, and yet, I feel it's an argument that comes from inexperience.

TL;DR :

Weak post w/ exaggerated concern about Wheme wagon and a questionable attack on Not_Mafia --> Suspicious (-1)

3. 208 --> Trying to solve game, etc. -->

I disagree with your assertion that you are trying to solve the game. You are somewhat trying, but you are also ignoring everythng else that happens -- in other words, you have confimation bias. Tunneling, while not necessarily a bad thing, allows you to forget the big picture. It comes more often from town, but the way you are pursuing it is making me have my doubts. Really hard to explain -- gut says there's something off about this tunnel you are pursuing. --> Suspicious (-1)

While there could be more to say about individual posts, its kinda hard to, so I think I'm gonna wrap this up with overall things I'm noticing:

1. Lots of confirmation bias
2. Very little and usually weak explanations for reads
3. Though never a reliable tell, it feels "Too scummy to be scum".

[Srceenplay]

So what is he to you? You have two negatives on him. Does that imply an scum lean? If so why say the wagon is bad in 471?

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Momo

Why do you vote Momo now?

[Ircher]

So what is he to you? You have two negatives on him. Does that imply an scum lean? If so why say the wagon is bad in 471?

Undecided still. Minor scumlean.

And the wagon was bad because it barely looked farther than the surface.