Decent idea, bad in this setup unless lylo.In post 3098, Grendel wrote:My thought was that if I suspected somebody of being a mason with a guilty on me I would claim mason with a guilty on them _first_. That way they'd have to claim immediately, and then their partner would have to back them up.
So both would be out in the open, and they couldn't fish for reads from other players before one of them outs the night's results.
The clear drawback would be if I claimed a guilty on somebody who wasn't a mason. Then that'd be a conf!town plus the two masons left. So it'd be really risky gambit. But then again could bank on people thinking it was too ballzy a move for Grendel to lie about. Since I'm generally a cautious player.
I'm a little sad that it seems I missed out on most the post game discussion.
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Tbh, masons here should hold the recruit until d2 at earliest unless there is a really annoying slot.
Recruit should happen with either a dead mason or night before lylo.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I would very much disagree w this. In your model, if scum shoot the other mason that night you learn nothing if it hits scum, and "I was recruited" becomes unprovable as a claim. Also scum might well shoot your recruit in which case it becomes wasted, plus simply getting a third head in there is generally useful for ability to solve in mason pt.In post 3101, Titus wrote:Tbh, masons here should hold the recruit until d2 at earliest unless there is a really annoying slot.
Recruit should happen with either a dead mason or night before lylo.
Otoh, a n1 recruit gets an early "cop" check, or gets a third mason, when he becomes increasingly powerful as the game progresses.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Wrong, this is a 1 v 1 that scum must keep alive until lylo or lose a member.In post 3102, mhsmith0 wrote:In your model, if scum shoot the other mason that night you learn nothing if it hits scum,ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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It's provable unless scum want to make a 2 v 2 setup.In post 3102, mhsmith0 wrote:"I was recruited" becomes unprovable as a claim.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Not if the nasons are smart and don't out the recruitIn post 3102, mhsmith0 wrote:Also scum might well shoot your recruit in which case it becomes wasted,ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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3 heads are hard to agree.In post 3102, mhsmith0 wrote:Otoh, a n1 recruit gets an early "cop" check, or gets a third mason, when he becomes increasingly powerful as the game progresses.
The clear becomes powerful as it progresses, and it's even more powerful if scum cannot shoot it.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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With one mason left, if that mason targets scum same night as scum shoot the last mason, nothing is learned. This is a very possible outcome, and one if the biggest reasons why masons need to n1 recruit to avoid that possibility.In post 3103, Titus wrote:
Wrong, this is a 1 v 1 that scum must keep alive until lylo or lose a member.In post 3102, mhsmith0 wrote:In your model, if scum shoot the other mason that night you learn nothing if it hits scum,Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Iirc masons died if they misreceuited also, but maybe that's a different setup?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Different setup.In post 3108, mhsmith0 wrote:Iirc masons died if they misreceuited also, but maybe that's a different setup?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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If scum shoot masons back to back, that's one horror scenario and requires both masons to be obvious. If that's the case, their n1 recruit is obvious.In post 3107, mhsmith0 wrote:
With one mason left, if that mason targets scum same night as scum shoot the last mason, nothing is learned. This is a very possible outcome, and one if the biggest reasons why masons need to n1 recruit to avoid that possibility.In post 3103, Titus wrote:
Wrong, this is a 1 v 1 that scum must keep alive until lylo or lose a member.In post 3102, mhsmith0 wrote:In your model, if scum shoot the other mason that night you learn nothing if it hits scum,
Upside is much greater.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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(Hug) You didn't we were awesome.In post 3111, Accountant wrote:Smith: What mistakes would you say I made as scum here?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I uh didn't actually read so idk lolIn post 3111, Accountant wrote:Smith: What mistakes would you say I made as scum here?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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masons can't hold the recruit when we're both obvious shots for non-mason reasonsIn post 3101, Titus wrote:Tbh, masons here should hold the recruit until d2 at earliest unless there is a really annoying slot.
Recruit should happen with either a dead mason or night before lylo.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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