[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[nancy]

/me hugs Noodle.

Try not to stress.

[BlackVoid]

I mentioned I wanted to look at WhyMafia and Screenplay more in-depth. I went through WhyMafia's ISO and I could see him being a potential Pine partner. At first, he questions townreads on Pine saying that all he did was defend nancy (implicitly creating a false Pine-nancy association). But once there are votes on Pine, he immediately switches to defending him in 299 preferring to lynch a more active player. He continues this line of reasoning in 463. But in 801, he's fine lynching TesXX for "lurking." That's pretty inconsistent. If Drixx flips scum, I'd look at WhyMafia as a partner. A few other points: I think this has been mentioned already but I didn't like him asking people who they would protect if they were the doc. He could easily have asked what their reads were. The "lynch me" post and subsequent reasoning didn't feel genuine either because he knew scum wouldn't ask to be lynched and is basically arguing that his "lynch me" request makes him town so it seems like that's why he did it.

@WhyMafia, can you please post your read on Pine/Drixx? You keep defending that slot but you haven't ever given a solid reason why you are townreading them.

[StealthyNoodle]

Please, thoughts on this.

The only thing I'm thinking of is why haven't you unvoted?

For some reason it really feels like a defeat, ughh.
UNVOTE: nancy

[nancy]

How does it feel like a defeat, Noodle? What does defeat look like to you?

This is why I'm trying to get more from everyone, Void. (I need you to check your Noodle read, btw, please.) I literally have no Townreads in this game and FIVE below null. There are weird interactions all over the place and the only non-townfirm slots that have really attempted to get recognized as Town all game are Chronicle, Pine, and WM.. and Chronicle and Pineslot are probably scum. It's ridiculous. I don't get the apathy.

This readslist pretty much sums up my feelings about today:

Spoiler:

{}
{Tes, WM}
{}
{Loopdan, Src}
{Chronicle, Drixx, Noodle}

=

Tes
WM


Src
Loopdan

Noodle

Drixx
Chronicle <-- preferred lynch

[BlackVoid]

Why are you townreading WhyMafia?

[StealthyNoodle]

Okay, there's a lot to read, and I'm gonna keep reading until I feel up to date.
Just want to make this post first (just to make everyone more paranoid):

just to make everyone even more paranoid:
*someone can obviously claim doc, even though they're scum. just to get town!nancy lynched. (two power-roles and one vt dead for one scum)
*if the REAL doc claims though, scum!nancy would obviously accuse doc for fakeclaiming. (also two power-roles and one vt dead for one scum)

I might be wrong about this theory, so for now I'm not gonna chase this hypothesis. Please prove it wrong if it is (I've been saying a lot of faulty stuff today, so).

If I'm

not

wrong about the theory, I don't see how her recent claim make her any less suspicious.

[StealthyNoodle]

How does it feel like a defeat, Noodle? What does defeat look like to you?

Obviously because I'm pretty confident my scumreads on you were fine reads. And I can't shake of this feeling...
You strike me as clever scum.

[StealthyNoodle]

Readlist - StealthyNoodle

Likely Town	Blackvoid
	WhyMafia
	Loopdan
Not sure	Chronicle
	-
	TesXX
	-
Likely Scum	Drixx, nancy(either or)

@nancy
Refresh my mind(or refer me to post) on why you see Drixx as scum.

[StealthyNoodle]

I know there absolutely has to be a 1-shot BP or a doc in the game. If there is, then counterclaim and we lynch nancy. If not, then nancy is confirmed town.

I want you to disprove of my theory above, or reevaluate your ideas.

[BlackVoid]

No one has counterclaimed, so nancy is confirmed town. What is left to discuss?

[StealthyNoodle]

but also for his interactions with me. He repeatedly hard defends me from every push against me. Not saying I don't appreciate it, but it's fishy.
[...]
Sorry if you're town Noodle :/

Well, this is pretty much the same statement I made about Chronicle from my perspective, so it's a fair read imo.
No offence taken.

[BlackVoid]

I almost forgot that this was a newbie game, maybe I should elaborate: if doc counterclaims nancy today, we'll have lynched scum D1. They will get killed N1. I will track someone N1 and since there is only one scum left and no roleblocker, we either win outright if I track the scum to a kill or we enter D2 with two confirmed townies (me and the person I tracked). That's seven alive, two conf-town, one scum. That's a very advantageous situation for town. If anyone counterclaims tomorrow, I'm lynching the counterclaimer first.

[nancy]

Okay, there's a lot to read, and I'm gonna keep reading until I feel up to date.
Just want to make this post first (just to make everyone more paranoid):

just to make everyone even more paranoid:
*someone can obviously claim doc, even though they're scum. just to get town!nancy lynched. (two power-roles and one vt dead for one scum)
*if the REAL doc claims though, scum!nancy would obviously accuse doc for fakeclaiming. (also two power-roles and one vt dead for one scum)

I might be wrong about this theory, so for now I'm not gonna chase this hypothesis. Please prove it wrong if it is (I've been saying a lot of faulty stuff today, so).

If I'm

not

wrong about the theory, I don't see how her recent claim make her any less suspicious.

It's already been answered, go ahead and read up.

[StealthyNoodle]

No one has counterclaimed, so nancy is confirmed town. What is left to discuss?

Fine, one final scenario then:
Doc doesn't want to counterclaim, because it's gonna guarantee his death during night(or day if we end up lynching him instead of nancy). Either way he's screwed.

Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead. I guess doc counterclaiming is optimal play.

[nancy]

Why are you townreading WhyMafia?

Townlean, to be specific. Essentially I just like their tone. I like them in RVS. They've seemed pretty natural all game and I haven't felt any real fakery from the slot except like 712 and if 712 is fake that just secures my read tbh because the only way I can see this slot being likely scum is if it's an experienced player faking being a newb. Also I just kind of giggle a lot when I read their ISO which is well, obviously nothing but kinda summarizes my feelings about the slot. I could see him as partners with Drixx but that's about it, the interactions with Noodle seem way too direct and obvious to be scumpartner interactions.

[nancy]

No one has counterclaimed, so nancy is confirmed town. What is left to discuss?

Fine, one final scenario then:
Doc doesn't want to counterclaim, because it's gonna guarantee his death during night(or day if we end up lynching him instead of nancy). Either way he's screwed.

Maybe I'm thinking too far ahead. I guess doc counterclaiming is optimal play.

1:1 is always good for Town. There's a reason cops out guilty reports 9/10 times even in the absence of protection.

[StealthyNoodle]

That's seven alive, two conf-town, one scum. That's a very advantageous situation for town.

Allright, thanks for explaining. I'm on board.
VOTE: Drixx

[nancy]

Readlist - StealthyNoodle

Likely Town	Blackvoid
	WhyMafia
	Loopdan
Not sure	Chronicle
	-
	TesXX
	-
Likely Scum	Drixx, nancy(either or)

@nancy
Refresh my mind(or refer me to post) on why you see Drixx as scum.

Would be great if you could explain all these reads.

Drixx is scum largely due to Pine: 695, 858.

[StealthyNoodle]

Out of curiosity. We're D1, it's post 968 and we've been playing for what. 15 days?
Is this normal for a newbie-game(or regular ones for that matter)?

[nancy]

Deadline was extended due to replacements. Dayphases are typically 14 days long.

[Srceenplay]

April 11, 2017 - 9:20 AM (GMT)

You have (expired on 2017-04-11 09:20:00) to discuss and decide on a lynch.

Drix or Chronicle?

[BlackVoid]

Drixx please. Leaving for work now but I'll be back in 6-7 hours to discuss final reads before we move on to night.

[Srceenplay]

VOTE: Drixx

[TesXX]

Tes: reads and thoughts in detail please.

I may be almost done. Just need to do some more stuff.

[StealthyNoodle]

Readlist - StealthyNoodle

Likely Town	Blackvoid
	WhyMafia
	Loopdan
Not sure	Chronicle
	-
	TesXX
	-
Likely Scum	Drixx, nancy(either or)

Would be great if you could explain all these reads.

Blackvoid

I suppose is obvious due to his tracker-claim. If it was fake, there would likely be a counterclaim.
Humble

WhyMafia

is too cozy. It takes a good actor to keep up this kind of play. My reads of him are here and here and still count.

Loopdan

provides theories of his own. I've

rarely

seen him take advantage of others' theories and reads. His scumreads and questions have mostly been directed at you, likely because he(as me and others) have seen you as scummy to the bone.

Chronicle

is pretty much my Pine; defends me a whole bunch, and likes to mention it whenever it's suitable. I suspected him back in 256, but he has steadily dismissed those arguments. Still, I still suspect him for being the devil on my shoulder, earning my trust, supporting my attacks on you. Anyways, he came to my rescue when I was about to give up arguing with you. That's my favorite post by far.
[...]
I'll finish this, but first:

I think Drixx is L-1 now. Should we let him defend himself before it's too late?
Not too familiar with how this works, but when the last vote comes around, we're not allowed to discuss anymore, right?

UNVOTE: Drixx (this is temporary)