[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[nancy]

I said you're

attacking the reads

, not the players. It's like you don't allow anyone to be suspicious of you. Feel free to correct me by pointing to one scumread of you that you didn't try to rip asunder.

Rip asunder.... I like that. Again, I wouldn't call questioning attacking. There's nothing scum motivated about asking for elaboration on people scumreading you. Like I've already said, this is one of the biggest problems of the claim strat. Scumhunting by seeing how people engage with your slot is one of the best ways to go about it imo and one of my personal favorites. I don't question people's reads on other slots nearly as much because I think it's bad form when those slots should be doing it themselves and not having people butt in to do it for them.

[TesXX]

{Chronicle} I still need to read more through this one's iso, I'll make an updated version of this list when I do.
{Loop} null I guess, I've been having trouble trying to get a read on him. I will include any opinions I've changed in the update. Somebody may have asked this but @Loop how come you wanted a Pine lynch in 662?
{Srceen} nullscum. I dislike the change if thought process from 841 to 900.
{StealthyNoodle} also nullscum. I'm not completely done looking through his slot, I haven't liked some of his cases against nancy and I don't like how he tried to pull the same thing as WhyMafia did in 701
{WhyMafia} scumlean. I'm not a fan of the "I'm fine with getting lynched therefore I am town" thing that he pulled and I disagree with his reasoning of why scum wouldn't do it. Unsure of why he had a switch in attitude toward Chronicle, unless I missed something.
{Drixx} also scumlean. Yeah, I looked back at Pine's wallpost(I may take another look at it eventually) and his wallpost did seem like he was actually

trying

to townread nancy, possibly because she'd be the easiest to not have to put effort into making fake reads for(since he could probably pull the meta crap). There's also what BV said in 951 about a possible Drixx + WM team which I agree with if WM were to flip red.

[nancy]

Thanks for the reads Tes.

[StealthyNoodle]

Again, I wouldn't call questioning attacking.

Combined with the way you constantly ridicule scumreads on you, it obviously comes of as being

overly

defensive.

I don't question people's reads on other slots nearly as much because I think it's bad form when those slots should be doing it themselves and not having people butt in to do it for them.

Town-players are obviously great at making themselves more suspicious, so there's nothing wrong about providing objectivity to the matter. That goes for scum-

and

townreads.
More than often townies tend to be blind to reads that makes themselves town, thus end up getting lynched.

[BlackVoid]

Oh ok

I was unaware mentioning emotions was scummy. I'll keep that in mind.

So of all the people who posted you think I'm scummy bc I was referring to a comment made about my skill?

This post stuck out to me on a re-read. Quoting this because it's important. The bolded part comes from a newb-mafia perspective. He's trying to figure out what is scummy and making sure to avoid doing them in the future.

[TesXX]

Oh and forgot to mention this: I do have a bit more of a scumread on Drixx than on Noodle, and since Pine has a policy against bussing, Noodle is probably more likely town. However if Drixx flips town then I have a nullscum read on Noodle again.

[WhyMafia]

Oh ok

I was unaware mentioning emotions was scummy. I'll keep that in mind.

So of all the people who posted you think I'm scummy bc I was referring to a comment made about my skill?

This post stuck out to me on a re-read. Quoting this because it's important. The bolded part comes from a newb-mafia perspective. He's trying to figure out what is scummy and making sure to avoid doing them in the future.

Not necessarily. I could be trying to learn that so I don't get mis-lynched, hurting my team's win con

[nancy]

Combined with the way you constantly ridicule scumreads on you, it obviously comes of as being

overly

defensive.

Well you're welcome to interpret it that way I guess.

Town-players are obviously great at making themselves more suspicious, so there's nothing wrong about providing objectivity to the matter. That goes for scum-

and

townreads.
More than often townies tend to be blind to reads that makes themselves town, thus end up getting lynched.

Er what?

[WhyMafia]

{Chronicle} I still need to read more through this one's iso, I'll make an updated version of this list when I do.
{Loop} null I guess, I've been having trouble trying to get a read on him. I will include any opinions I've changed in the update. Somebody may have asked this but @Loop how come you wanted a Pine lynch in 662?
{Srceen} nullscum. I dislike the change if thought process from 841 to 900.
{StealthyNoodle} also nullscum. I'm not completely done looking through his slot, I haven't liked some of his cases against nancy and I don't like how he tried to pull the same thing as WhyMafia did in 701
{WhyMafia} scumlean. I'm not a fan of the "I'm fine with getting lynched therefore I am town" thing that he pulled and I disagree with his reasoning of why scum wouldn't do it. Unsure of why he had a switch in attitude toward Chronicle, unless I missed something.
{Drixx} also scumlean. Yeah, I looked back at Pine's wallpost(I may take another look at it eventually) and his wallpost did seem like he was actually

trying

to townread nancy, possibly because she'd be the easiest to not have to put effort into making fake reads for(since he could probably pull the meta crap). There's also what BV said in 951 about a possible Drixx + WM team which I agree with if WM were to flip red.

What about the rest of the players? Who's your preferred lynch?

[WhyMafia]

{Chronicle} I still need to read more through this one's iso, I'll make an updated version of this list when I do.
{Loop} null I guess, I've been having trouble trying to get a read on him. I will include any opinions I've changed in the update. Somebody may have asked this but @Loop how come you wanted a Pine lynch in 662?
{Srceen} nullscum. I dislike the change if thought process from 841 to 900.
{StealthyNoodle} also nullscum. I'm not completely done looking through his slot, I haven't liked some of his cases against nancy and I don't like how he tried to pull the same thing as WhyMafia did in 701
{WhyMafia} scumlean. I'm not a fan of the "I'm fine with getting lynched therefore I am town" thing that he pulled and I disagree with his reasoning of why scum wouldn't do it. Unsure of why he had a switch in attitude toward Chronicle, unless I missed something.
{Drixx} also scumlean. Yeah, I looked back at Pine's wallpost(I may take another look at it eventually) and his wallpost did seem like he was actually

trying

to townread nancy, possibly because she'd be the easiest to not have to put effort into making fake reads for(since he could probably pull the meta crap). There's also what BV said in 951 about a possible Drixx + WM team which I agree with if WM were to flip red.

btw
is this the best you can do?
It seems like you put hardly any effort into those reads. Literally everything you said is parroting what other's have said. I fail to see how thinking of these reasons were hard, considering everyone already posted these reasonings. VOTE: TesXX

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Drixx
One down

Your vote was already on Drixx ... why were you trying to hammer?

For future reference, you should not interfere when someone is running a gambit. When someone who is already voting a wagon pretends to hammer, it is usually to check for a reaction. You pointing it out immediately took away any chance of Srceenplay getting a reaction from me in a situation where I may have believed I was lynched.

Oops. My apologies.

[BlackVoid]

Not necessarily. I could be trying to learn that so I don't get mis-lynched, hurting my team's win con

So, if someone whose alignment you don't know tells you that you are giving off scumtells, your response would be to make sure you don't do them in the future as opposed to question the motivations of the person arguing it?

Since you are so focused on wincons, you do know that the town wincon isn't just to survive, right? If you just keep mislynching your fellow townies, you will lose the game. To win, you

have

to find scum. You can't just lynch anyone other than yourself. You have to lynch the

right

people. So, with that in mind, why are you more focused on not doing a specific scumtell rather than questioning srceenplay on whether emotional play is scummy in the first place? Why didn't you think he could be scum fabricating it as a reason to suspect you?

[BlackVoid]

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Here you go. This is the wincon you are referring to. How does your play square with this?

[BlackVoid]

I don't think it is

necessarily

scummy for a new player to be survivalistic but if you are going to refer me back to the town wincon, I'd expect you to actually be playing towards it.

[WhyMafia]

So, if someone whose alignment you don't know tells you that you are giving off scumtells, your response would be to make sure you don't do them in the future as opposed to question the motivations of the person arguing it?

No? I was just unaware of what I later found out to be a

common

scum tactic. Of course I don't want my faction to mis-lynch me and lose, so I would avoid using them.

[WhyMafia]

Since you are so focused on wincons, you do know that the town wincon isn't just to survive, right? If you just keep mislynching your fellow townies, you will lose the game. To win, you have to find scum. You can't just lynch anyone other than yourself. You have to lynch the right people. So, with that in mind, why are you more focused on not doing a specific scumtell rather than questioning srceenplay on whether emotional play is scummy in the first place? Why didn't you think he could be scum fabricating it as a reason to suspect you?

Because I did research and that was the general consensus. Appealing to emotion = bad

[WhyMafia]

I don't think it is

necessarily

scummy for a new player to be survivalistic but if you are going to refer me back to the town wincon, I'd expect you to actually be playing towards it.

Err
Mis-lynching hurts my win-con
Does it not?

[TesXX]

{Chronicle} I still need to read more through this one's iso, I'll make an updated version of this list when I do.
{Loop} null I guess, I've been having trouble trying to get a read on him. I will include any opinions I've changed in the update. Somebody may have asked this but @Loop how come you wanted a Pine lynch in 662?
{Srceen} nullscum. I dislike the change if thought process from 841 to 900.
{StealthyNoodle} also nullscum. I'm not completely done looking through his slot, I haven't liked some of his cases against nancy and I don't like how he tried to pull the same thing as WhyMafia did in 701
{WhyMafia} scumlean. I'm not a fan of the "I'm fine with getting lynched therefore I am town" thing that he pulled and I disagree with his reasoning of why scum wouldn't do it. Unsure of why he had a switch in attitude toward Chronicle, unless I missed something.
{Drixx} also scumlean. Yeah, I looked back at Pine's wallpost(I may take another look at it eventually) and his wallpost did seem like he was actually

trying

to townread nancy, possibly because she'd be the easiest to not have to put effort into making fake reads for(since he could probably pull the meta crap). There's also what BV said in 951 about a possible Drixx + WM team which I agree with if WM were to flip red.

What about the rest of the players? Who's your preferred lynch?

The rest of the players are conftown so I didnt need to include them. Right now my preferred lynch is probably Drixx since he's my biggest scumread by a little. Also because
-A Srceen lynch doesn't influence other reads much
-A Noodle lynch heavily influences my Drixx read
-A WM read slightly influences my Drixx read
-A Drixx lynch heavily influences my Noodle read and slightly influences my WM read

[nancy]

Now would you look at that. Produce content and get townread.

It's like, magic, or something.

[nancy]

{Tes, Src}
{Drixx, WM}
{}
{Noodle}
{Chronicle, Loopdan}

[nancy]

Lmk when you're done with WM and want to digest, Void.

[WhyMafia]

Now would you look at that. Produce content and get townread.

It's like, magic, or something.

Why is Tes suddenly your top town read?
What was so good from his reads list?

[BlackVoid]

Since you are so focused on wincons, you do know that the town wincon isn't just to survive, right? If you just keep mislynching your fellow townies, you will lose the game. To win, you have to find scum. You can't just lynch anyone other than yourself. You have to lynch the right people. So, with that in mind, why are you more focused on not doing a specific scumtell rather than questioning srceenplay on whether emotional play is scummy in the first place? Why didn't you think he could be scum fabricating it as a reason to suspect you?

Because I did research and that was the general consensus. Appealing to emotion = bad

Yeah, I see StealthyNoodle linked you to the wiki page in 238. The posts that we are discussing happened before this. Your story is not adding up.

[WhyMafia]

Lmk when you're done with WM and want to digest, Void.

What does Lmk mean :/

[WhyMafia]

Since you are so focused on wincons, you do know that the town wincon isn't just to survive, right? If you just keep mislynching your fellow townies, you will lose the game. To win, you have to find scum. You can't just lynch anyone other than yourself. You have to lynch the right people. So, with that in mind, why are you more focused on not doing a specific scumtell rather than questioning srceenplay on whether emotional play is scummy in the first place? Why didn't you think he could be scum fabricating it as a reason to suspect you?

Because I did research and that was the general consensus. Appealing to emotion = bad

Yeah, I see StealthyNoodle linked you to the wiki page in 238. The posts that we are discussing happened before this. Your story is not adding up.

I knew the wiki before Stealthy linked it ..
After I was told that AtE was bad, I looked it up ...