[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[nancy]

That's a probabilistic argument and it fails in light of the fact that we have information to work with. In fact ... I would go so far as to say that how Nancy responds to my request will have a HUGE impact on how the rest of this plays out. Try to read between the lines BlackVoid. If scum is who I think it is, I'm quite sure they will see what you didn't.

Like do you think this post comes from scum!Drixx?

Granted he hasn't elaborated on this point so I don't really know what his thought process is here.

[BlackVoid]

I thought it was all ready clear I wasn't actively trying to lynch Pine.

So, your vote was what, just a "reaction test" to see who else jumped on? What about your vote on nancy?

[nancy]

The planting of the idea that a kill won't happen and thus we lynch Nancy is why that post is scummy. There's a clear intended end point where a town player would be actually thinking about the different possibilities. It's not like the idea is super complex. It's literally a post with one aim, and that's to ensure nancy gets lynched.

I've seen this kind of slip quite a lot. He's scum. I will put my own skin on the line even. I'm that sure.

And that's without even going into the REST of the problems in the ISO.

The fact that he's refused to go into the rest of the problmes he sees is frustrating.

[nancy]

Fyi Drixx if you are Town I am not too impressed by this EoD from you.

Erm... sorry. I actually expected that I was roped already. It's passover and I told you my town reads and my scum reads, which is pretty solid as far as day one goes for me. If not for the claims (which is neither here nor there but something worth talking about after), I would have far less to leave as my legacy.

I'm actually kind of surprised. I checked in after I got done with my work for today because I didn't recall a PM about being dead and there was like 9 more pages, and somehow I went from L-1 to not going to be lynched back to I think about to be lynched again.

See my earlier post for my thoughts and reads when you see me bleed green. I'm sorry that I'm not better at day one than I am.

Surprise doesn't feel real here. But then, it's Drixx, and a lot of his emotion just comes off as fake to me.

[BlackVoid]

Void I vastly prefer a Chronicle lynch today ftr.

I don't have a strong opinion on Chronicle. I'll look into him. Mind linking me to the posts you find scummiest?

[nancy]

You shouldn't have made this post. It would have been much better for getting a read on me coming in if you had let me read the thread and believe you were town reading me because of how Pine handled the slot, so you could watch and see if I tried to stick to what he was doing, struck off in my own direction, or whatever.

Hi Drixx. You scum this time?

Hi Nancy. I am not. Care to throw some questions at me and help me get into the game quicker?

Ftr this entrance was really weak and just feels like posture. At the time I felt that town!Drixx would've responded differently to that question but I can't say for sure.

[Drixx]

A much better place to look for scum me is Steven Universe 2. In fact, the game you linked was basically a good example of why one should take a short break after long and exhausting games lol.

And who said I gave up? I simply pointed out that I replaced into what seems like a doomed slot, and after giving my thoughts I expected the lynch to be imminent. Nobody is more surprised than me that it didn't play out that way.

P-Edit: I could just quote YOU making posts pointing out the issues with Noodle if you really want nancy?

Like. I take it as a granted that you are competent and then some, so it follows that your own issues with Noodle plus what I pointed out is probably something stronger than weak evidence.

[Drixx]

Fyi Drixx if you are Town I am not too impressed by this EoD from you.

Erm... sorry. I actually expected that I was roped already. It's passover and I told you my town reads and my scum reads, which is pretty solid as far as day one goes for me. If not for the claims (which is neither here nor there but something worth talking about after), I would have far less to leave as my legacy.

I'm actually kind of surprised. I checked in after I got done with my work for today because I didn't recall a PM about being dead and there was like 9 more pages, and somehow I went from L-1 to not going to be lynched back to I think about to be lynched again.

See my earlier post for my thoughts and reads when you see me bleed green. I'm sorry that I'm not better at day one than I am.

Surprise doesn't feel real here. But then, it's Drixx, and a lot of his emotion just comes off as fake to me.

That's because I don't

generally

play emotionally. The rare times when I do haven't gone so well. Space Dandy 2 between Titus and I is the "gold standard" for that.

[nancy]

I don't have a strong opinion on Chronicle. I'll look into him. Mind linking me to the posts you find scummiest?

Their tone, from the meta you provided. I'll quote our interaction earlier into a wall and you can take from it what you will.

[Srceenplay]

I thought it was all ready clear I wasn't actively trying to lynch Pine.

So, your vote was what, just a "reaction test" to see who else jumped on? What about your vote on nancy?

I scum read nancy.

[nancy]

P-Edit: I could just quote YOU making posts pointing out the issues with Noodle if you really want nancy?

I really wouldn't want

I'd really prefer if you took out from his ISO what you personally found scummy.

[BlackVoid]

I think WM has been equally as opportunistic tbh

Mind explaining?

Tomorrow.
Right now your townish.
Don't sidetrack with the short time left.

This looks ridiculously like a partner interaction between WhyMafia and srceenplay. Gotta look into that as well while I catch up.

[nancy]

I scum read nancy.

zzzzzzzz

[Srceenplay]

I think WM has been equally as opportunistic tbh

Mind explaining?

Tomorrow.
Right now your townish.
Don't sidetrack with the short time left.

This looks ridiculously like a partner interaction between WhyMafia and srceenplay. Gotta look into that as well while I catch up.

Hopefully he is my partner and I don't have to worry about him.

[Srceenplay]

I scum read nancy.

zzzzzzzz

He asked, I answered.
If it makes you feel better, I town read you now.

[BlackVoid]

That's a probabilistic argument and it fails in light of the fact that we have information to work with. In fact ... I would go so far as to say that how Nancy responds to my request will have a HUGE impact on how the rest of this plays out. Try to read between the lines BlackVoid. If scum is who I think it is, I'm quite sure they will see what you didn't.

Like do you think this post comes from scum!Drixx?

Granted he hasn't elaborated on this point so I don't really know what his thought process is here.

Why would he not tell us who he thinks scum is in this context when it looks like he's about to be lynched?

[nancy]

Spoiler: Chronicle y nancy

In fact I basically oppose Drixx being lynched here. If we're going to lynch for a Chronicle/Drixx team we should lynch Chronicle.

You'd end yourself with a town lynch and more apathy D2.

The AtE isn't even good because you're completely missing the point of why I even said that.

Anyway I'm on mobile so I can't do any ISO runs or expansive research, but based on the last few pages and what I can remember

I still like Noodle for town. Honestly with all the scumreads on him I've tried to reevaluate this read but I can't convince myself he's scum, outside of his reaction to the nancy claim. My first instinct was to unvote and wait for a CC, but the way he continued to push for it(like Loop) just read as scum desperate for a lynch.

Which brings me to Loop. Adding on to his play post nancy claim, I remember him posing questions through the game, so he's kind of had a tonal townread/gut town, but I haven't seen anything insightful from the slot honestly. So could be scum for the usual appearing to be scumhunting but not really doing anything. I really only thought about this post nancy claim.

Pine/Drixx: didn't care for Pine's play. Was never active enough to determine if he was lurking or if his attention was divided, never produced enough content and interactions(with me at least) for me to have a decent read. If nancy knows Pine's meta well enough, I'm all for sheeping. Regarding Drixx, I honestly can't tell y'all anything right now because I have paid very little attention to the slot, but gut town?

WhyMafia, although I pushed him for scum previously, his recent posts I like tonally. Thinking back he has this genuine tone that I've been cautious of, which could explain why I decided to push him for scum, but I don't think newbscum play like this. The perspective that he could be buddies with Pine/Drixx are interesting, but my thoughts on his play alone just make me think it's confbias reads.

Srceenplay is a probscum, going off what I remember from his play. I can't recall him taking strong stances, or forming any of his own significant stances. He's got a lot of sheeping and random jumping of votes, and I'm quite upset I'm only thinking about this now.

Am I forgetting someone

The AtE isn't even good because you're completely missing the point of why I even said that.

Not AtE, just saying

Actually I see what you meant then

But the fact that you've listed me as your preferred lynch a buncha times still makes that post relevant

Oh Tess

I'm not sure about Tess, I'll run his ISO

Oh Tess

I'm not sure about Tess, I'll run his ISO

Thanks Chronicle.

pedit posts

Skimmed his recent posts, I'd put Tess as nullscum because fluffy posting

Hello nancy

I've got some time now, and I got no guarantee I'll be around deadline, so talk to me for a bit then I'll throw my vote before going off to bed

Still waiting to talk to Void before we decide on a lynch so voting anywhere is a no go atm.

How do you feel about the meta argument against you? I notice you've started naming gut reads since Void pointed it out, and your reads seem to be following mine a little wrt WM and Src. Thoughts?

Also, talk to me about your thought processes in this post? Why were you so ready to believe in scum!Noodle after spending most of the Day defending him? I realize that you've once again affirmed your TR there.

Alright. And would you care to correct him as IC that I am conf!town by virtue of not having been CC'd?

i don't understand why you need to do this, or why anyone is still pushing your lynch

which strongly susggests loopscum and noodlescum

Skimmed his recent posts, I'd put Tess as nullscum because fluffy posting

Elaboration on this could be helpful.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

Like how you repeated multiple times that I never explained my Noodle read? Anything else you want to lie about?

What changed your mind about this?

Talk to me about this sequence in retrospect? Didn't get much explanation from you at the time about your thought process there, and I never got much from wrt your scumread on my slot in the first place. Why were you scumreading me? Where do you think you went wrong in reading me?

I am lazy to read.

Please summarise the last 3 pages for me so that I don't have to sit down and read all of them.

^@nancy and noodle

Thanks

VOTE: nancy

come on board loop

your noodle push sucks

because you are scum and you can't do a good push on town

because I did read it, but i am too lazy to entertain you right now given how the last 3 pages have gone nowhere.

but if you would to try, tell me why noodle is scum

pedit lol

How do you feel about the meta argument against you? I notice you've started naming gut reads since Void pointed it out, and your reads seem to be following mine a little wrt WM and Src. Thoughts?

Also, talk to me about your thought processes in this post? Why were you so ready to believe in scum!Noodle after spending most of the Day defending him? I realize that you've once again affirmed your TR there.

Don't have any particular thoughts. The difference is that I fucked that game with a bad D1 play, so I wasn't eager to throw a vote, and the games content made it hard to get a good read. Just couldn't get into it.

Void pointed out what? Most of them I've listed as gut because I'm going off my gut right now, not reading ISOs and thinking about them.

Hmm, possible that I may unknowingly have sheeped you on those because I read it and agreed with them. Are you concerned I'm buddying?

I just thought that his actions post youclaim didn't reflect town, because it opposed what I would have done. As much as I thought you were scum, it would be the worst idea to continue to push your lynch without a CC, because if scum weren't already on the wagon, the unneeded suspicion I would throw on the claim would only make it easier for scum and demotivating for town.

While I do think that was a scummy move, I still think he's town. His posting since he unvoted ring as genuine reevaluation, and I like it.

Skimmed his recent posts, I'd put Tess as nullscum because fluffy posting

Elaboration on this could be helpful.

I just skimmed his recent posts, that are pretty empty, promise on delivering but not really delivering. I would wait on that readlist, but with less than a day to deadline I don't think it will come. My failure to recall anything outstanding about the slot kinda makes me think he's been fluffing most the game and coasting.

A bit lazy to reaffirm this though, I don't like reading ISOs on mobile

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true fyi

Like how you repeated multiple times that I never explained my Noodle read? Anything else you want to lie about?

What changed your mind about this?

Not sure what you're referring to here

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

Yeah, don't think that's gonna happen

Hmm, possible that I may unknowingly have sheeped you on those because I read it and agreed with them. Are you concerned I'm buddying?

I'm more concerned that the reads don't feel entirely genuine. Especially your read on WM. You've not addressed why any of your previous points against him were wrong, you've simply said that you like him tonally recently and that you don't think newb!scum would play the way he has been playing. (< Elaborate on this please.) With as sure as you've seemed all game, that's quite a shift.

His posting since he unvoted ring as genuine reevaluation, and I like it.

Which posts specifically? What about them seem genuine to you?

I just skimmed his recent posts, that are pretty empty, promise on delivering but not really delivering. I would wait on that readlist, but with less than a day to deadline I don't think it will come. My failure to recall anything outstanding about the slot kinda makes me think he's been fluffing most the game and coasting.

What about this do you think warrants a nullscum read? Do you think the way he has been coasting comes from scum?

Not sure what you're referring to here

Am referring to your stance on WM, saying that he's a liar, etc.

Talk to me about this sequence in retrospect? Didn't get much explanation from you at the time about your thought process there, and I never got much from wrt your scumread on my slot in the first place. Why were you scumreading me? Where do you think you went wrong in reading me?

I'm pretty confident Noodle is town, and the way your interaction with him played out I just couldn't see it as town vs town, and I didn't like how you responded to his posts(previously explained), and similar to how I've been cautious about WM due to his tone, I've been cautious about you because of your town. That, and I sheeped the wincon argument a bit.

I think I probably confbiased/played off of my emotions a bit too much, but granted I don't think your play has been obvtown. Towny, sure, but against Noodle whom I townread harder, and the whole noise that came with BP claims early game, it just ended with me thinking you were probably scum, and I ended up tunnelling from there.

Don't envy your foneposting btw. Not sure how you manage to cope with that.

Don't envy your foneposting btw. Not sure how you manage to cope with that.

I hate playing mobile too but I don't really have time with my computer often

but against Noodle whom I townread harder, and the whole noise that came with BP claims early game, it just ended with me thinking you were probably scum, and I ended up tunnelling from there.

You were pushing me only before the claim.

Nvm I misread your post.

If you were tunneled on me why were you instead pushing WM all day, until I started pushing Noodle?

I'm more concerned that the reads don't feel entirely genuine. Especially your read on WM. You've not addressed why any of your previous points against him were wrong, you've simply said that you like him tonally recently and that you don't think newb!scum would play the way he has been playing. (< Elaborate on this please.) With as sure as you've seemed all game, that's quite a shift.

It was probably a bit of OMGUS, a bit of me thinking he should be playing better because he's played before. My push on him wasn't the first thing on my mind, because I'm more concerned with what's happened postclaim and my read on Noodle. The list likely won't be very consistent, because it's heavily gut and heavily based on recent content.

I'll relook my WM push though since you're interested

Which posts specifically? What about them seem genuine to you?

I hate questions like this that make me jump between pages.

Sorry :/

Page 40 has the stream of consciousness kinda vibe that I like.

Whether or not it's genuine is kind of a gut thing, but imagine being scum and having your strongest "scumread" claim PR, unCC'd. Seems kinda hard to make a good reevaluation post with a nice flow of thoughts, because imo it's hard to fake as scum

Okay, so scum can nokill (but that'd be risky for them, yes? Because we might not DK nancy next day either. There's also the chance that a doc claim comes around tomorrow). Sorry, I forgot about the BP.

Please, thoughts on this.

The only thing I'm thinking of is why haven't you unvoted?

For some reason it really feels like a defeat, ughh.
UNVOTE: nancy

That's seven alive, two conf-town, one scum. That's a very advantageous situation for town.

Allright, thanks for explaining. I'm on board.
VOTE: Drixx

Well, after settling with nancy being conf!town I suppose she's up there with WhyMafia.

@chronicle even now, my gut is screaming that nancy's scum. I'm waiting for doc to claim before deadline.

Does that strike you as genuine re-eval?

If you were tunneled on me why were you instead pushing WM all day, until I started pushing Noodle?

I only tunneled you after my WM push

I dislike his nightkill related posting, because it's just dumping suspicion.

Not sure what you've quoted is really representative of his recent reevaluation

Anyway my battery is running low, I'll come back to this game later

His reevaluation would only really have to happen in a significant sense wrt my slot because me being scum shouldn't affect other slots unless he was basing his reads heavily off associatives.

And alright, thanks very much for standing up to the inquisition. You're a hero regardless of alignment.

His reevaluation would only really have to happen in a significant sense wrt my slot because me being scum shouldn't affect other slots unless he was basing his reads heavily off associatives.

Ftr this is only partially true and, as with everything, depends on context. As I've said before, a scumread flipping Town (or in this case, becoming conf!town) is generally always a great reason to check yourself and go over your reasoning again. It doesn't mean you should believe you must be wrong on other reads as well, but it does mean that you should reassess.

[Chronicle]

Hello

[nancy]

Why would he not tell us who he thinks scum is in this context when it looks like he's about to be lynched?

Not what I'm referring to. He clearly has some hidden theory here and I find that think of thing more likely to come from town!Drixx than scum!Drixx in context.

[nancy]

Why would he not tell us who he thinks scum is in this context when it looks like he's about to be lynched?

Not what I'm referring to. He clearly has some hidden theory here and I find that kind of thing more likely to come from town!Drixx than scum!Drixx in context.

Edit.

[Chronicle]

I don't have a strong opinion on Chronicle. I'll look into him. Mind linking me to the posts you find scummiest?

Their tone, from the meta you provided. I'll quote our interaction earlier into a wall and you can take from it what you will.

Just my tone?

[nancy]

Your tone doesn't feel genuine, your push on WM didn't feel genuine, your hard-buddying and defending of Noodle doesn't feel genuine, your stances in general don't seem genuine, the way you began listing gutreads after Void brought up that meta point on you doesn't feel genuine.

[Chronicle]

Not genuine = scum motivated?

[nancy]

He asked, I answered.
If it makes you feel better, I town read you now.

My play hasn't changed one bit. The only difference is that people are talking to me now, where before they just rebutted my attempts at conversation by calling me scum.

[nancy]

Not genuine = scum motivated?

Town has little to no reason to be fake.