DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Commander Shepard]

the comparison to your play in smurfia pings me really hard, like, TOTALLY different situation/circumstance, and you know it

I never said to lock the claims in as 100% true, it's about there being a claim at all, even if you don't believe it

NOT BELIEVING IT is MORE important than believing it when it comes to analyzing, imo

liiiike, unbelieavable claim = very good lynch

we're in D1, and we have healthy wagons, D1 isn't more complex than lynching a healthy wagon with associations and content around it and seeing what you get ot move forward

Lynching scum is always strictly better than lynching town. Whenever people try to pretend that's not the case, shit goes south.

oh please, you did not just go there, this is such a scum post

NO SHIT, but you don't have a scum result on any slot, do you, no you don't

<3

[Wraith]

Well with no VT context to compare it I think fitz's claim is just bull. On board to finish this.

[Almost Chara]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz.

Lynching scum is better than lynching town. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion?

Agree. But then that's why I'm voting fitz. He's my top SR. I don't have any "confident" SRs other than him, and I don't even SR CK myself.

~A50

[The Wood Cutters]

Well with no VT context to compare it I think fitz's claim is just bull. On board to finish this.

This is the part where you read the last six pages and dont do that.

[The Wood Cutters]

You think Fitz is lying because he didn't claim a Monarch?
So you think that Aristophanes forgot to give the scum team fakeclaims...?

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: CK

This will probably flip town, but I'm trusting TWC because I'm too tired to think very clearly. This was one of my weaker townreads, and I actually find TWC's arguments for town!fitz relatively compelling.

[Commander Shepard]

Well with no VT context to compare it I think fitz's claim is just bull. On board to finish this.

Fitz's claim I believe wholeheartedly. It would be a mistake to lynch him.

[The Wood Cutters]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz.

Lynching scum is better than lynching town. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion?

Agree. But then that's why I'm voting fitz. He's my top SR. I don't have any "confident" SRs other than him, and I don't even SR CK myself.

~A50

What do you think of the recent arguments I've posted for fitz town?

[The Wood Cutters]

Well with no VT context to compare it I think fitz's claim is just bull. On board to finish this.

Fitz's claim I believe wholeheartedly. It would be a mistake to lynch him.

What's your read on CK?

[Commander Shepard]

TWC knowing the claim isn't genuine

Keep in mind that I know that VT claim is a gambit because AC SAID THAT IT WAS A GAMBIT.

I ran a search for the world gambit and did not see where AC said it was.

Point that out for me please

[The Wood Cutters]

Because, as I've laid out before, there are 8 players who prefer Fitz over AC and only 5 in favor of lynching AC. Wraith might be a don't care type of individual but even then there's not 7 votes. If you truly believe Fitz is town, you should be trying to find alternatives instead of just giving lip service to it.

[The Wood Cutters]

OK, I guess I can explain now:

I claimed to bait The Wood Cutters so that I can get a read there. Looking at the players list this looks like the strongest slot as either alignment, and I wanted to make sure they're on OUR side.

The claim was precisely to bait Mastina (she knows my play better than anyone in this game), and it worked.

I would have expected Scum!Mastina to push me further. Why? Because (as Scum) she would know 100% I'm Town already, and in her experience I lie much more as Town that I do as Scum, so she would have been alerted to me being a PR and trying to chase away a NK.

Town!MAstina though (according to what I was thinking) would have to think: EITHER TPR trying to avoid the NK, OR Scum trying to avoid getting lynched/investigated. THEN she would have to try and sort me out ASAP to decide on whether I'm worthy of her protection from a lynch or if I'm well worth her vote. I didn't see her going for the much more simple deduction she did, but still, not pushing me while knowing I do lie as Town makes her Town IMHO. (If you beg to differ, save it. I've just locked my read on that slot).

Now for whoever does have a brain; faking VT as Scum in this game is the worst thing I could have every done. I'm not dumb enough to get caught in a lie on N1. I only lie -as scum- when I absolutely have to.. i.e. when it benefits me, and I can't see anything fruitful for me from claiming a VT unprompted on D1. That only leaves you between me really being a VT or a lying TPR, so if we have a Role Cop it might be a good idea for them to check us. If not, then I guess time will tell (probably when we return a guilty "of some sort" on someone or another).

~A50

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

OK, I guess I can explain now:

I claimed to bait The Wood Cutters so that I can get a read there. Looking at the players list this looks like the strongest slot as either alignment, and I wanted to make sure they're on OUR side.

The claim was precisely to bait Mastina (she knows my play better than anyone in this game), and it worked.

I would have expected Scum!Mastina to push me further. Why? Because (as Scum) she would know 100% I'm Town already, and in her experience I lie much more as Town that I do as Scum, so she would have been alerted to me being a PR and trying to chase away a NK.

Town!MAstina though (according to what I was thinking) would have to think: EITHER TPR trying to avoid the NK, OR Scum trying to avoid getting lynched/investigated. THEN she would have to try and sort me out ASAP to decide on whether I'm worthy of her protection from a lynch or if I'm well worth her vote. I didn't see her going for the much more simple deduction she did, but still, not pushing me while knowing I do lie as Town makes her Town IMHO. (If you beg to differ, save it. I've just locked my read on that slot).

Now for whoever does have a brain; faking VT as Scum in this game is the worst thing I could have every done. I'm not dumb enough to get caught in a lie on N1. I only lie -as scum- when I absolutely have to.. i.e. when it benefits me, and I can't see anything fruitful for me from claiming a VT unprompted on D1. That only leaves you between me really being a VT or a lying TPR, so if we have a Role Cop it might be a good idea for them to check us. If not, then I guess time will tell (probably when we return a guilty "of some sort" on someone or another).

~A50

[Infinity 324]

Lol

[The Wood Cutters]

OK, I guess I can explain now:

I claimed to bait The Wood Cutters so that I can get a read there. Looking at the players list this looks like the strongest slot as either alignment, and I wanted to make sure they're on OUR side.

The claim was precisely to bait Mastina (she knows my play better than anyone in this game), and it worked.

I would have expected Scum!Mastina to push me further. Why? Because (as Scum) she would know 100% I'm Town already, and in her experience I lie much more as Town that I do as Scum, so she would have been alerted to me being a PR and trying to chase away a NK.

Town!MAstina though (according to what I was thinking) would have to think: EITHER TPR trying to avoid the NK, OR Scum trying to avoid getting lynched/investigated. THEN she would have to try and sort me out ASAP to decide on whether I'm worthy of her protection from a lynch or if I'm well worth her vote. I didn't see her going for the much more simple deduction she did, but still, not pushing me while knowing I do lie as Town makes her Town IMHO. (If you beg to differ, save it. I've just locked my read on that slot).

Now for whoever does have a brain; faking VT as Scum in this game is the worst thing I could have every done. I'm not dumb enough to get caught in a lie on N1. I only lie -as scum- when I absolutely have to.. i.e. when it benefits me, and I can't see anything fruitful for me from claiming a VT unprompted on D1. That only leaves you between me really being a VT or a lying TPR, so if we have a Role Cop it might be a good idea for them to check us. If not, then I guess time will tell (probably when we return a guilty "of some sort" on someone or another).

~A50

Command Sheppard, I purposely put Gin as a post so you know it's me doing this. I want to work with you, I just get frustrated in real life and I progress those feelings onto you. That, I do apologize for.

[Almost Chara]

You think Fitz is lying because he didn't claim a Monarch?
So you think that Aristophanes forgot to give the scum team fakeclaims...?

I included a question about Aris' modding meta in that post. I don't know if he does provide fake claims or not.

~A50

[The Wood Cutters]

That was directed to Wraith.
Mods here who are so much as vaguely competent provide fake claims to the mafia.

[Commander Shepard]

concentration on 'contradiction' and point-by-point casing makes me confident fitz will flip scum here. there's no real feeling to the read on us, just a lot of pointing at things and saying 'well, this is objectively scummy, isn't it?'
and i noted this in the PT but didn't say it here, Nacho just reminded me. momo's thought that Almost isn't acting like himself is irrelevant with one game of experience.
on ThinkMomo's 218: how on earth does one read this as deriding momo for considering post-flip analysis? i was questioning how momo could be thinking of this when he hadn't paid attention to any other slots.

i keep putting off bed.

pedit: i'd rather not claim. we're also not at L-1.
~Chara

Someone put AC @L-1 please.

TWC rushing to AC's defense is all kinds of hella bad.

[The Wood Cutters]

It is a very well-established part of meta in theme games, and his reviewers would know as much and make sure he had them as a minimum.

[Almost Chara]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that lynching CK isn't nearly as informative as lynching us or fitz.

Lynching scum is better than lynching town. Do you agree or disagree with this assertion?

Agree. But then that's why I'm voting fitz. He's my top SR. I don't have any "confident" SRs other than him, and I don't even SR CK myself.

~A50

What do you think of the recent arguments I've posted for fitz town?

I said I SKIMMED!

I'll let Chara decide on whether they want our vote switched at this time. I'll hammer any wagon (including our slot) in the last 30 min if needs be.

~A50

[The Wood Cutters]

TWC rushing to AC's defense is all kinds of hella bad.

Mind backing up that statement, or are you continuing not to attempt to convince anyone of anything because you can't?

[Infinity 324]

I'll also hopefully be here to vote wherever is needed to avoid a no lynch.

[The Wood Cutters]

I'll let Chara decide on whether they want our vote switched at this time. I'll hammer any wagon (including our slot) in the last 30 min if needs be.

Is there a reason why you can't give your opinion of it?

[Commander Shepard]

@Gin (of TWC) I want to work with people too.

I am just calling out posts that feel wrong rather than replying to every post.

Furthermore I don't like the gambit responses. If anything that would reset AC to an unclaimed state. Mastina if Town would push AC as town similar to pushes in SU2. I am trying to read Mastina head and it is difficult when I don't see them post.

[The Wood Cutters]

Oh, grumpy emotional stuff. Would still heavily appreciate you considering my arguments as soon as you can, I was completely onboard with Fitz lunch until very recently.