Mini 1894: DBZ Abridged Mafia - Arrival To Namek (Game Over)

[KuroiXHF]

Vote Count 2.07

Desperado

(5/6)

- Albert B. Rampage, Alisae, Clumsy Phoenix, Socrates, Lycanfire

Alisae

(3/6)

- Music Box, Almost50, Not Chara

Albert. B. Rampage

(2/6)

- Desperado,

Lycanfire

(1/6)

- Tywin Lannister

Not Voting:

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Notes:

- I accidentally deleted the flavor[/color]

(expired on 2017-04-18 23:00:00) until the end of Day Two.
With ten alive, it takes six to lynch.

[Socrates]

Hiya!

Can everyone link me to where they say why they're voting for who they are? I'm doing some digging on my own but that will help me get up to speed.

I'm phone posting, but I don't think there have been many formal, unified case posts from many people anyway.

I'm voting Desperado because of how he reacted to my mass claim suggestion.

and why is that reaction indicative of scum and not consistent with me being a vt who has deduced that this is a power light game where you claiming unprompted made massclaim optimal fmpov?

Because if there's only one more pro-town power role, then my own argument falls flat (as I noted myself when I put forth the main post). And as Tywin noted, if my goal is only to protect the vig, my claim has already accomplished that goal. The only real benefit to massclaim in such case is to hem in a possible SK, but if you think there's an SK then there MUST be significantly more town power to balance this.

Mafia, on the other hand, would look at the post you initially quoted when you said you were pro-Massclaim and fucking

salivate

at the possibilities if they had a roleblocker or a strongman. Your initial bald ambivalence to my suggestion rather than confusion or curiosity or paranoia before I claimed also is in line with mafiaso behavior wanting to read the winds before committing harder.

If you have a history of devaluing the nightgame, that would help convince me you might actually believe your stated perspective.

[Socrates]

If we wanted, we could lynch the very obvious SK, but I don't think that's a good idea. I rather just let them shoot scum one more time.

This is the scummiest post you have made this entire game. :/

[Socrates]

For what it's worth, the only player in this game I would give enough credit to have the confidence to do the SUPER MEGA BUS strategy is, in fact, Albert. But I don't currently think that's the case, and if he's going that route, fucking let him.

[Desperado]

Because if there's only one more pro-town power role, then my own argument falls flat (as I noted myself when I put forth the main post). And as Tywin noted, if my goal is only to protect the vig, my claim has already accomplished that goal. The only real benefit to massclaim in such case is to hem in a possible SK, but if you think there's an SK then there MUST be significantly more town power to balance this.

Mafia, on the other hand, would look at the post you initially quoted when you said you were pro-Massclaim and fucking salivate at the possibilities if they had a roleblocker or a strongman. Your initial bald ambivalence to my suggestion rather than confusion or curiosity or paranoia before I claimed also is in line with mafiaso behavior wanting to read the winds before committing harder.

If you have a history of devaluing the nightgame, that would help convince me you might actually believe your stated perspective.

there's obviously more than one more power role remaining

but i don't think there's a that's so powerful that keeping it a secret (when the people who could have prs have either already softed or can be POE'd) is more important that leashing the vig/sk shot as a group

i don't grok your argument that town needs more power to account for a serial killer. if anything it's the other way around...

[Desperado]

the notion that abr and i would cross bus in this situation is so incredibly stupid

[Socrates]

ill be shocked if both scum aren't already on me

Now that Lycan jumped on your wagon, If you flipped town, I might be inclined to agree, actually.

Why do you townread Almost, though?

[Desperado]

i've townread almost since page three and they haven't done anything to disabuse me of it

[Socrates]

Because if there's only one more pro-town power role, then my own argument falls flat (as I noted myself when I put forth the main post). And as Tywin noted, if my goal is only to protect the vig, my claim has already accomplished that goal. The only real benefit to massclaim in such case is to hem in a possible SK, but if you think there's an SK then there MUST be significantly more town power to balance this.

Mafia, on the other hand, would look at the post you initially quoted when you said you were pro-Massclaim and fucking salivate at the possibilities if they had a roleblocker or a strongman. Your initial bald ambivalence to my suggestion rather than confusion or curiosity or paranoia before I claimed also is in line with mafiaso behavior wanting to read the winds before committing harder.

If you have a history of devaluing the nightgame, that would help convince me you might actually believe your stated perspective.

there's obviously more than one more power role remaining

but i don't think there's a that's so powerful that keeping it a secret (when the people who could have prs have either already softed or can be POE'd) is more important that leashing the vig/sk shot as a group

i don't grok your argument that town needs more power to account for a serial killer. if anything it's the other way around...

Publicly leashing a vig isn't that important, because they will have the town's input for their kill regardless and have an interest in making the most pro-town kill possible.

It is only an SK that we benefit by leashing, but lets just say that that window has passed. Also, I don't actually think there's an SK at this moment. There might! I wouldn't be surprised. But I don't think so.

As for SK balance... eh, I'll give you that, just because I'm out of date on current game balance theory.

[Socrates]

i've townread almost since page three and they haven't done anything to disabuse me of it

You've also apparently scumread Albert since page three, but if you have strong arguments for that read, please link me to them, because I have missed it.

[KuroiXHF]

Gin hasn't posted I'm two days and will be prodded.

And mocked.

[Not Chara]

Socrates: why is that post of Alisae's the scummiest in the game?

it's possible we have an SK. it's also possible we have a vig and scum has a strongman/roleblocker. leashing an SK doesn't work, anyway. it just makes it impossible to analyze their kills.

[Socrates]

Faint apathy towards whoever gets lynched + implicitly framing the killer as an obvious SK to others while encouraging them to kill without pressuring them to kill a particular person/set of persons.

[Albert B. Rampage]

NC, what are you trying to accomplish? We've been deadlocked for weeks now. I see very little vote movement. Everyone has reported in and given their thoughts. There's no change! We've agreed to disagree. What's your objective?

[Almost50]

Faint apathy towards whoever gets lynched + implicitly framing the killer as an obvious SK to others while encouraging them to kill without pressuring them to kill a particular person/set of persons.

That's actually a very good remark, and it contradicts Alisae's claim he feared he might be NK'd. How do you fear being NK'd and yet want the killer UNleashed??

[Desperado]

You've also apparently scumread Albert since page three, but if you have strong arguments for that read, please link me to them, because I have missed it.

yup

ive made the arguments ive felt were necessary on each account

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone's disengaging and lurking because nobody cares about this game anymore. Hammer Desperado.

[KuroiXHF]

The VC has finally been edited.

[Almost50]

@Desperado: Please come to Alisae

[Desperado]

unvote
vote: alisae

[Not Chara]

NC, what are you trying to accomplish? We've been deadlocked for weeks now. I see very little vote movement. Everyone has reported in and given their thoughts. There's no change! We've agreed to disagree. What's your objective?

i've thought about voting Desperado, and ending it, but i just don't think he's scum.
and i do think Alisae is scum. besides my own feelings, Socrates has made a good point.

if Desperado must be lynched, then i'd rather someone else do so i can look at why they made that decision.

[Almost50]

It is now up to Tywin. He can hammer Desp or he can come join the Alisae wagon. If he does the latter, Desp is a no go.

[Alisae]

Hey guyz.
Your counterwagon is a huge joke.

[Desperado]

can you be more specific

who is "your"?

[Alisae]

My wagon iz the counterwagon to Desperado like shit.
I don't get why you people don't want to lynch Desperado.