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Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:57 am

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Vote Count:

2: Panzerjager
(Setael, Toaster Strudel)
1: TS
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1: Sir Tornado
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1: Bookitty
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1: Erg0
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Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:55 am

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Hi all.

Given the unique size of this game, I will try and read over each of the living players as best I can - rather than doing my usual set of complete notes.
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Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:40 am

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Panzerjager wrote:Why am I being voted?
I don't know about Setael's reasons, but I am voting you for the very anti-town, slapdash, and ill-timed vote you put on Kscope. In itself, that's not a case, but you've been voting and accusing all over the place yesterday, and provided little reasoning. Your behavior seemed very random.

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Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:30 am

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Ok, i admit i have no idea where i am with this game, but i really dont like IH's last few posts. They give me bad vibes.
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Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:41 am

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I don't think IH is scum. My top 2 scums are Jordan and Panzer and IH's intro post regarding both of them does not look like he is a likely scum buddy.

Both Jordan and Panzer are flying well under the radar after being under suspicion yesterday. I'd vote either of them, but I think a Panzer lynch is more doable with this crowd at this point (since no one seems to agree with me about jordan yet).
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Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:30 am

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BM has a point about IH. I could see myself voting for IH.
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Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:39 am

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A point? Have I missed something? I thought it was no more than gut feeling on BM's part.
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Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:41 am

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TS, what didn't you like about IH's last few posts?
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Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:32 am

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IH wrote:TS I literally want to strangle you right now. You're attitude is insufferable. = |

I mean seriously.

WHY WON'T YOU ALL BE LOGICAL!? WHY MUST YOU MAKE BABIES CRY!?
I wasn't being illogical at all. OMGUS.
IH wrote:I would guess from the extensive scene that Peers died from either

A.a delayed kill
or
B.A mod mistake
Pretty obvious it's the second, so mentioning "A" is a little odd.
IH wrote:TS, what happens if Quag IS town? What will your thoughts be?
But now he goes back to Quag. I can't make up my mind about whether IH knows Quag's alignment or not, but I don't like it.

Then later, after I unvote Quagmire, and vote Panzer, IH's response was "Oh you've GOT to be kidding me." What??? He's not making any sense. Maybe I don't understand what he was trying to say.

@Setael: what about the intro posts? Please explain.

Anyway. I prefer Panzer.
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Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:32 am

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Go back and read IH's first long analysis post when he entered the game. The 2 players he pointed out the most scumminess on are jordan and panzer, so I find it unlikely he'd be a scum buddy there. Possible, but unlikely.
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Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:40 am

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Setael wrote:Go back and read IH's first long analysis post when he entered the game. The 2 players he pointed out the most scumminess on are jordan and panzer, so I find it unlikely he'd be a scum buddy there. Possible, but unlikely.
But were they really scummy, or was this early in the day, safe distancing? I don't know. Do you? What do you think?
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Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:31 pm

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TS I haven't voted you yet, so I don't understand why you say OMGUS.

How can you be certain it was a mod mistake? It really doesn't make a difference, but I'd hazard a guess that the scene made it more likely there was a delayed kill.

You had just made a post about Quag saying you were sure he was scum. Last time I saw someone so focused on someone they were scum. See open 19 nightless. I'd prefer you to attempt to take in all angles if you are town, and to force you to make some type of answer on his alignment if he's possibly town if you're scum.

I said you've got to be kidding me, because you had just said you were going back to quag, setael comes in and says a few words about Panzer, and all you say is "I can go for a panzer lynch" and move your vote.

I'm still contemplating about TS right now, I just find her extremely exasperating atm.
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Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:31 pm

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I'm sick of this bullshit. Vote Setael or Eg0.
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Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:42 pm

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TS wrote:Players I'm willing to vote for today:
Panzer (who rushed to lynch Kscope in a way that prevented him to claim)
hasdagas (who rushed to hammer Kscope in a way that prevented him to claim)
zu_Faul
SirTornado
Setael

Players I'm not willing to vote for today:
ABR (I totally believe the claim)
Bookitty
Jordan
Erg0
What happened to this list?

ABR why are you voting Ergo?

ABR, why did you press Peers to reveal his target?

TS why are you voting Panzer?

Panzer, why are you voting TS?


Set's being logical, I'm thinking she's town. Question though, why are you voting Panzer? Why do you think a Has or Panzer lynch would be good?
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Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:55 pm

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Because we might as well know who he protected since we know for sure he's going to die - and he did die, albeit earlier than we would have expected.

Eg0 and Setael are assuredly highest on my scumlist. I cannot explain except for my 20 game+ razor sharp intuition, plus recent tells I've gotten from Setael to separate her scumplay from her townplay, although I am more sure of Eg0 who I've since more of throughout the months.
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Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:08 pm

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I am 90% certain that it was a mod mistake because it said also killed
night 1
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Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:50 pm

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Okay, my initial plan to review each player proves to be no easier than my standard notes method. So I will do this in 10 page blocks.

Page 1

Randomness

Page 2

More randomness. I agree with Yosarian2 about Panzer being wrong about a pg 1 serious vote being suspect.

Page 3

Yos thinks viper's vote for BM is a scumtell in that it is seeking an easy lynch; I'm a bit skeptical of this since a random wagon on BM is no worse than anywhere else. ABR is characteristically convinced that Peers is buddying in a scummy way; I'm not. Interesting that Kscope says "we need a BM wagon" - I don't recall him giving any reasons why BM is a better candidate. Kscope rightly gets suspected for this. Peers makes a really dodgy explanation of the random stage and gets attacked again.

Page 4

TS comes down rather hard on Viper, whom he accuses of panicking but who just asked why he was voted. Yos raises an interesting apparent contradiction from hasd who says he likes voting for reasons, but then mindlessly wagons. Hasd, as Panzer says, just plagiarises what has already been said. Fair enough that he might actually just agree, but this is a little eyebrow-raising.

Page 5

Confusing votes with no explanations :?

Page 6

Sikario moves to attack hasd, still not discussing his own play. Quagmire appears and says nothing has appeared so far. I don't like Sikario explaining his vote as a joke...it seemed serious.

Page 7

Sikario continues playing in a frustrating fashion. Hasd seems to think this resembles his town play meta. ABR pressures Peers to vote sik and says if he doesn't and Sik is scum, he will vote Peers - I've seen this style of play from ABR before but I don't think it is helpful. Erg0's vote for Peers is more sensible than ABR's brash attacks. Same with Yosarian - Peers looks like his priority is survival.

Page 8

TS explains why Sik's non-flaking is a possible town-tell. Peers' suspicions are poor and TS attacks them thoroughly. ABR explains himself a bit clearer. Peers gets worse.

Page 9

Zu emerges from lurkerness to echo the attacks on one of Peers' worst posts; looks like he is swaying with consensus. I don't agree with BM's vote for TS - in that his theory about her unvote is too speculative. Peers gets worse by buddying off to every person not voting him.

Page 10

MoS casts a vote for TS for her not contributing, which TS makes look really ironic given MoS's measly effort.

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Right. At this stage of things I really don't like Peers. The differences in activity between players are a cause for some concern. ABR and BM are playing as they always do and I don't have much of a read on either of them. I think the case on TS is overrated and it's odd MoS would cast such a dodgy vote.
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Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:35 pm

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ABR wrote:Eg0 and Setael are assuredly highest on my scumlist. I cannot explain except for my 20 game+ razor sharp intuition, plus recent tells I've gotten from Setael to separate her scumplay from her townplay...
I guess it's a good thing that you can't read me, but I don't think it's that I act scummy when I'm town as much as it's that your intuition isn't as sharp as you think it is.
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Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:44 pm

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Setael you just read scummy in every game.
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Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:49 pm

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So do you, but I think you do it intentionally. I'm tired of all the unwarranted suspicion, so I guess I should alter my play style. I think my problem is that when I'm town, I don't avoid saying or making votes that might look scummy. I should probably try harder to look protown.
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Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:51 pm

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No, I am claimed power role in every game. There is a difference. And yes, you should get to work on that.
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Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:54 pm

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Yeah, the problem is you claim power roles you don't have and lie about your abilities when you're town. I'm not perfect, but you're the last one who should be criticizing me for it.

Why is erg0 high on your list? Just for his Peers suspicion, or do you have other reasons?

What do you think of Panzer and Jordan? And IH?
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Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:59 pm

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Right, because if I weren't a mason I wouldn't have been counter-claimed by now. Setael you are scummy as hell.
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Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:08 pm

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I'm not talking about this game. I'm talking about your play in previous games, Egypt in particular. This game is starting to feel like Peril in Panama all over again.
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Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:10 pm

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Setael wrote: This game is starting to feel like Peril in Panama all over again.
:roll:
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Setael you are scummy as hell.
Deja vu indeed.

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