Mini Normal 1890 - Endgame

[Papa Zito]

I'm only gonna do this once and move on FYI.

1. Nor do I - but I do see a problem in suggesting it suggests a strong desire to lynch a given player.

I have a strong desire to lynch 2 players atm. I've had a strong desire to lynch 5+ players in games before. There's nothing scummy about this in the least. Particularly given the context of what was going on (you and he were arguing and he felt your arguments were dumb)

2. Nor do I, and said nothing to suggest that - i do see an issue with sheeping onto a wagon advanced by your top scumread though.

I don't recall him saying Boon was a top scumread but even if he was I don't see how that's relevant. If scum want to bus each other what's the problem with helping them do it?

3. Nor do I, and never said I did - I did say I saw the vote move as, specificaly, having a goal to not see a given slot lynched.

If that was the case the switch would've lasted more than 30 posts and would've followed the posting behavioral pattern he had with Elena/Cloud.

4. Nor do I - I do think his failure to ever explain it, suggests he didn't understand it/didn't care what it was, which supports my stance that it was empty.

I don't see how re-explaining someone else's case is relevant to anything. (I love the irony of this coming from someone named Cooperative Sheep btw)


I'll reiterate you're free to do w/e you want and I think you're town so more power to you I guess but I'll remind you that we're extremely likely in mylo here.

[Boonskiies]

You want me to scum read you instead? Lol.

Of course not, I just didn't/don't understand the basis of your townread.

To be fair, I've been waffling on your slot the entire game.

I mean, what's your basis on town reading me prior from toDay?

[-Grey-]

Sekret.

[Cooperative Sheep]

2. Nor do I, and said nothing to suggest that - i do see an issue with sheeping onto a wagon advanced by your top scumread though.

I don't recall him saying Boon was a top scumread but even if he was I don't see how that's relevant. If scum want to bus each other what's the problem with helping them do it?

The scumread in this case would be me, not Boon.

3. Nor do I, and never said I did - I did say I saw the vote move as, specificaly, having a goal to not see a given slot lynched.

If that was the case the switch would've lasted more than 30 posts and would've followed the posting behavioral pattern he had with Elena/Cloud.

So you're saying he never wanted to lynch me in your opinion?

4. Nor do I - I do think his failure to ever explain it, suggests he didn't understand it/didn't care what it was, which supports my stance that it was empty.

I don't see how re-explaining someone else's case is relevant to anything. (I love the irony of this coming from someone named Cooperative Sheep btw)

My name is irrelevant to this discussion,
You advanced the idea that he re-stated Boon's case.
I countered that he simply restated that he was sheeping Boon, and at no point ever, despite his stated sheep, did he suggest or show understanding of Boon's case, nor did he describe it to anyone, or state it in a way to convince anyone with it.
You then told me that agreeing with someone's case isn't scummy.
I agree with that - but it's not my point, nor was it your original point that I was rebutting.

I'll reiterate you're free to do w/e you want and I think you're town so more power to you I guess but I'll remind you that we're extremely likely in mylo here.

Sure, which is why I actually want to discuss your idea that Key wasn't bussing versus mine that he blatantly was.
You suggested that he pushed the case - and I specifically described how he didn't, and then you complained that I wasn't talking reality when I was being fairly precise. You could come back and say you disagree with me, but to say I'm not talking reality when you don't address my screaming piint of "why did he ever unvote if he wanted the Cloud lynch?" (a point you still haven't addressed) while making up points that I never said and then acting like the debate is all a tiring chore to you...what? I don't get this at all - I've been clear about why i don't think it is a bus, and your reasoning in the reverse looks thin to me.

Why are you talking around my points?

[Cooperative Sheep]

Also, frankly, Key taking that weak excuse to unvote, makes me very content with my top reads.

This is clearly a post wherein his goal was not to lynch me, and to...test my intentions towards the Cloud lynch?
C'mon now.

[Papa Zito]

I'm only gonna do this once and move on FYI.

@Boon: I have massive as ZZZX's partner. Does this make sense to you?

[Boonskiies]

I'm only gonna do this once and move on FYI.

@Boon: I have massive as ZZZX's partner. Does this make sense to you?

Yeah, that's my main suspect of ZZZx's partner.

[-Grey-]

I'm only gonna do this once and move on FYI.

@Boon: I have massive as ZZZX's partner. Does this make sense to you?

Incidentally, that also fits with the lack of interaction both of those players had with Elena.

[Papa Zito]

Good deal.

Our problem today is that we'll four votes to get ZZZX lynched and with Sheep going off on a tangent that's not likely to happen. Fortunately if we don't reach a majority by deadline we'll just end up with a no lynch and we'll only need 3 tomorrow.


@Grey, it does. Lack of interactions, lack of wagon presence, attempts at counters, it all fits pretty well.

[Boonskiies]

Sheep will come around.

[Papa Zito]

ilu guys pls play mafia with me

[-Grey-]

ilu guys pls play mafia with me

K

VOTE: ZZZX

L-1

[ZZZX]

While I am at L-1 and thats why I'd usually flip out and start defending myself against your wagons... I dont fucking see any sense on it outside of "oh hey talked with elena once" or some shit like that. Reminds me of a few mafia games I might link if I don't get lazy.

at least 1 scum in the 3 voting me right now. You know where to vote people after im dead. Not expecting to survive when I hit L-1 without any case because that means scum are control of the votes

[ZZZX]

This is the start of his attempt to shift attention to Key.

Correction: I wanted to give rope to key slot since D1

[ZZZX]

This is in response to Boonskiies' 1782. [1]Is a soft defense of Elena - it translates to "you can't scumread Elena for this when other players do it too!" Which I haven't checked the veracity of but can. [2] is just factually incorrect, Elena was at L-2 at this time, and is again defending a Elena.

I breathed! I must have soft defended Elena because of it!

[ZZZX]

Next thing you know if boon flips scum ill be lynched for soft defending boon. Because I defended half the playlist for being my town reads it means that you guys can make up shit and attack me for it. Lmao

[ZZZX]

I've listed out most of Key's posting already. There was no flailing, just a tunnel on a scum slot.

It was not about the action

Its fake.

He was faking the tunnel on elena

He wants you to believe he is hitting scum. Did you seriously read that as a real tunnel?

[-Grey-]

Damn dat Beetlejuice, lol.

[ZZZX]

Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)


Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever. Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

[ZZZX]

While I can't remeber what that is. But in any case I know that this same scenario have played over 15 times in this site. Driven by scum all teh time. Hell I probably can find 3 games with the exact same scenario 100%

[Boonskiies]

Unvote

I don't want the day to end yet. I want to look at things.

[Cooperative Sheep]

Our problem today is that we'll four votes to get ZZZX lynched and with Sheep going off on a tangent that's not likely to happen. Fortunately if we don't reach a majority by deadline we'll just end up with a no lynch and we'll only need 3 tomorrow.

You're still refusing to discuss my clearly stated issue and acting like I'm just a lost little girl that needs to correct herself.

Go pound sand.

[Human Sequencer]

Votecount 4.2

Boonskiies

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Keyenpeydee

: Cooperative Sheep, ZZZX

massive

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-Grey-

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Papa Zito

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Cooperative Sheep

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ZZZX

: Papa Zito, -Grey-

Not Voting

: Keyenpeydee, massive, Boonskiies

No Lynch

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With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
massive has been prodded.

[Boonskiies]

Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)


Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever. Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

Why is PZ a town read?

[Boonskiies]

ZZZx doesn't make sense to be partners with PZ, Grey, or sheep. Scum wouldn't be bussing in that situation, which still leaves massive or key, but ZZZx was pushing for key pretty hard so that logic only makes sense if ZZZx and massive are scum together, which is possible, but I'm not entirely sure.

Sheep was on Elena pretty hard with me yesterDay, so I absolutely don't think he's scum. He would be bussing pretty hard, and that's kind of weird on the partnership he'd have to have with Elena, so Im doubting that.

Massive/bbt is the slot that has the least out there, but mainly because of BBT's inactivity earlier. Massive has been the normal amount of activity from massive, so that could be either way. Definitely need more info here, because this is a pretty easy scum partner to push.

I have a little bit of paranoia on the PZ slot. My town read on MOI was lingering prior to Zito's entrance, and Zito pushed exactly where I was looking to head, which makes sense, but I'm going to need to look into it. He is seeming pretty similar to how I've seen him before, but I've never seen him as scum.

My initial team was one of sheep/key, with ZZZx and Elena.

I'm going to put my town read on grey, and I see exactly why town massive would push for grey. Something that holds me back on the massive thing was saying I'm probably town during the big grey-me thing.

I have an off chance scum team of PZ/Key.