[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[nancy]

I'm mostly joking. If you're Town the sentence doesn't need to end in "as town" because that's your alignment. If you're scum you're having to imagine yourself as Town, hence it becomes natural to put the "as town" there.

[nancy]

I'm not saying it's an actual thing, don't worry.

[nancy]

In seriousness though, Chronicle, you can complain about people using meta against you, but this is a pretty fundamental thing that I'd strongly expect to be regular across games. You are way more laid back in your Town meta. Your reads are more natural. You're kinda stilted here.

[nancy]

#goodsave

[nancy]

VOTE: WhyMafia

Newbie 1784 has ended in a

Perfect Town Win!

[nancy]

I hardclaim hufflepuff.

[nancy]

I hardclaim hufflepuff.

^ Suboptimal smh.

[nancy]

Spoiler:

And now that the Day 1 masterclass is over I guess I can slip back into teacher mode. Couple things wrt yesterday that stand mentioning:

First being that I wouldn't try and interact with a wagon to the extent that I was with Drixx's yesterday unless you're conf!town or heavily Townread and really know what you're doing, just because of how sketchy it can look from an uninformed perspective if you're not smart about it. You do want to check yourself and others pushing the wagon, though, and if nothing else that's what you should get from that. Essentially with as much counterpushing off the wagon I did, if Drixx was scum it was practically guaranteed that the second scum would've followed or engaged with my pushes, unless they were entirely possessed by the spirit of the bus. The fact that none did effectively meant that scum either didn't want to push off Drixx (bussing) or were incapable of pushing off Drixx (newbie). And unless Drixx had completely given up (which he had) then his interactions with my counterpushes would've also been highly indicative of his motivations (and therefore alignment) - typically, scum!him would encourage me in a more or less one-dimensional way that displayed more survivalism that genuine conviction, while town!him would engage me in a critically communicative way (encouraged by noticing that I wasn't wrongly scumreading him) and try to point me towards his scumreads. (That isn't a statement about Drixx's meta, Drixx is just a placeholder for "scumslot" in this example.)

Second being that you just don't want to be as uncritical in your engagement with a wagon, ever, as most people were with Drixx's. Void's treatment of the wagon was an excellent example of a balanced approach and replicating that will likely get you Townread if you aren't already in a game. He was just critical enough to not conf!bias on the flip and it was his presence that allowed me to do what I did. So pushing a wagon does absolutely require a stable presence like that, and they're invaluable when you get them because it just gives you so much freedom - you don't have to worry about people losing focus. Loopdan's treatment of the wagon was not something I'd encourage emulating by any stretch of the imagination and is a surefire way to mistakenly push a scum agenda and mislynch Townies. Scum don't want you to re-evaluate basically ever, unless you're scumreading them or doing something really pro-town that is going to hurt them if it continues.

Other than that, what to say.. Noodle, when you see yourself continually convinced that everything that someone is doing is scummy in the way that you were with me in the latter half of the Day yesterday (and today), that's a pretty good sign you're lost in conf!bias. Scum rarely act scummily all the time, if at all, so it's just very rarely the case that you're going to be getting scumvibes from them at every turn. Refining that sense of when you've actually locked on to a scumslot and when you're conf!biasing a scumread on a Town slot is something that's going to be hugely important for you going forwards, but a pretty reliable sign that you're conf!biasing is if you find yourself make theories and picking up "clues" and connecting disparate threads to support your read, or finding a hidden scum agenda that no one else sees in clear pro-town play. There /are/ examples of where you'll pick up on those very same things and nail a scum that no one else saw, so it's extremely important to learn to distinguish when you're done one or the other and not lose confidence for the times when it /is/ scum. I've bailed on pushes before because I felt I was conf!biasing in that way, when I was in fact pushing a scumslot, because I didn't yet have the ability to really feel the difference between the two.

Chronicle, I hope you're not too burned out still. You played really well and should be absolutely proud of that Day 1. You handled pressure really well and responded really positively to being scumread. I'd strongly encourage you to avoid the type of hard buddying and defending you were doing with Noodle early in games because it tends to come off very sketchily. Your push on me was completely fine /except/ for the way in which it was a chainsaw for Noodle. Disrupting someone else's interactions with another slot is generally very bad practice, try and wait until it's over before getting involved if you can and if the interaction allows for it. If you can't wait, try and interact in a way that isn't disruptive, e.g., question the slot on their behavior, but don't do it in a way that intervenes or hinders them from continuing to pursue what they're already doing. This is generally advice for Day 1 play. This all becomes increasingly less relevant as you get deeper into a game and reads and stances become much increasingly solidified. I also don't know how you manage to play so heavily from your fone, that's just heroic.

pedit I mean, I'm lazy so he can come in and say hi later.

[nancy]

Like if you're scum dude just claim cause it's autowin

[nancy]

^ @Srceenplay

[nancy]

I'll post my PMs to mod post-game too in case that might be helpful to anyone. I was only PMing her up to a certain point though, after I got back from V/LA we kind of moved to off-site communication and I was too busy falling in love with her to talk about the game much so there's really only notes from early in Day 1 sorry.

Lol! ♥♥♥

[nancy]

[nancy]

footnote: I did enjoy that postmortem(pun not intended), last-gasp attempt to make the bus look real. Concidering it came arond after hammer went down, it pretty much cleared me more than it hurt me.

Oh sorry I didn't read this before. The point of calling you conf!scum btw was that if you /were/ scum then you'd be more likely to put in the kill for a tracker guilty today. Kind of a nancy play, don't try to make sense of it too much.

[nancy]

In case you're wondering why it's autowin btw, we have two Tracker clears by Day 3 plus, thanks to anti-bus^TM we know that Noodle and Tes have 0.00001% chance of being scum, meaning that the only slots left with any chance of being scum today are {Chronicle, Loopdan, Srceenplay, WhyMafia}. Even if we were to mislynch today, Town goes into Day 3 with 3 conf!towns and a scumpool of 2. So yes, autowin. But it's just WM so it doesn't really matter.

[nancy]

I hardclaim hufflepuff.

I hardclaim Slytherin

[nancy]

We still have a pool of six to analyze.

?

[nancy]

No my dude.

[nancy]

In case you're wondering why it's autowin btw, we have two Tracker clears by Day 3 plus, thanks to anti-bus^TM we know that Noodle and Tes have 0.00001% chance of being scum, meaning that the only slots left with any chance of being scum today are {Chronicle, Loopdan, Srceenplay, WhyMafia}. Even if we were to mislynch today, Town goes into Day 3 with 3 conf!towns and a scumpool of 2. So yes, autowin. But it's just WM so it doesn't really matter.

[nancy]

Do you think scum!Loopdan or scum!Srceenplay hardbussed their partner on Day 1?

Cause I sure don't. Which means only Chronicle or WhyMafia could be scum.

No kill is gamethrowing unless you disbelieved the BP claim, which I highly highly doubt.

You tracked Chronicle. He went nowhere. WhyMafia is scum.

[nancy]

WM is the only slot here who would possibly derp enough to do a no kill gambit. If someone shot me it'd be someone who thought that I was fakeclaiming BP, so either Src or Loopdan.

VOTE: Srceenplay

[nancy]

Why is that?

[nancy]

You've been pinging my gut as scum all game and I think WM's reaction to the fake guilty was real.

[nancy]

I'm going to sleep.

[nancy]

Do you know why scum don't fight back, Srceenplay?

Because they're being bussed.

You can die now.

[nancy]

Does the track on me make me clear though with a no kill on our hands? I could be scum pulling a no kill, so it doesn't really clear me. Meaning we don't have a tracker clear today, so at best we'd only have a tracker clear tomorrow

Only provided the tracker doesn't die

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we're in auto win yet?

You're not mechanically conf!town but yes you are 100% conf!town don't worry. The amount of backbending you'd have to go through in order to assume that scum!you no killed is immense to the point of being unrealistic, and if it /were/ the case that you were scum and no killed it would become obvious later down the track anyway, so the correct play here is to treat you as conf!town.

[nancy]

Conf!town: {BlackVoid, Chronicle, nancy}
Locktown: {StealthyNoodle, TesXX}

[nancy]

@nancy Why was TesXX cleared again?

Pine went out of his way to scumread the slot.

[nancy]

Couldn't Chronicle just nokill n1 and kill tracker n2?

If he wanted to play against win-con, yes.

[nancy]

I hardclaim ravenclaw

^_^

I used to think I was Ravenclaw!! Then my girlfriend showed me I was actually Hufflepuff and it really actually makes more sense for me although I think when I was younger I was unquestionably Ravenclaw.

[nancy]

How is that anti wincon if everybody calsls you conftown

I'll go through it with you post-game, but like I said if they're scum who no killed solely to be called conf!town it'll become apparent after a day or two. Essentially there's just no reason to not kill the tracker and shooting the BP is tantamount to suicide.

[nancy]

Loopdogg xD

[nancy]

YEAH SRCEENPLAY WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT DUDE

[nancy]

VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay
VOTE: Srceenplay

[nancy]

I'm an octuple voter and you just got hammered and rekt m8.

[nancy]

Are you proud of me? I did good observation!!!

You done good kid. Makin me proud as a spicy punch.

[nancy]

Eek

I'M GETTING VOTED

[nancy]

VOTE: TesXX

Voting a conf!town makes you conf!scum.

GG.

[nancy]

Are we out of RVS yet?

[nancy]

VOTE: Srceenplay

Serious vote.

[nancy]

VOTE: No Lynch

Pretty sure this is optimal.

[nancy]

I have thoughts about this interaction but I'll wait until you're done to say anything.

[nancy]

VOTE: TesXX

Use of

tags and outing PRs are pretty classic scum tactics.

[nancy]

That was another gambit

YOU DON'T KNOW ME

[nancy]

I was actually just trolling and I'm not sure how that could be construed as a gambit even if it were serious.

[nancy]

Your response was pretty typical

caught!scum

though now that I think about it.

VOTE: Srceenplay

[nancy]

VOTE: Srceenplay

I'm going to self hammer to kill the day and information gathering.

[nancy]

Lol. Ya.
Not pretending though. We win no matter what. You broke the game and won it for us.

HOW DID YOU KNOW MY SECRET WEKENESS OF BUDDYING

VOTE: BlackVoid

[nancy]

I know but I want the perfect town win

I claim scum.

VOTE: nancy

[nancy]

I didn't choose this life

it chose me.

[nancy]

Recycled memes are good memes.

pedit good softclaim bro I think it's gonna work

[nancy]

Imo scum is in {JaeReed, MiniDeathStar, Firebringer, Prince Lyon}.

Rule of thirds says it's Firebringer.

VOTE: Firebringer

[nancy]

Sorry I'm just trolling.

I really should stop because this is not the kind of behavior to teach newbies.

VOTE: WhyMafia

[nancy]

Yeaaaaaa I'm sorry Mini babe ♥ ♥

WhyMafia is actually scum though.

[nancy]

If you want to make an argument for scum!Srceenplay or scum!Loopdan go for it though, never good to be complacent regardless of circumstances.

After a scum lynch the proper thing to do is go back over the ISO of the flipped scum and look associatives. So if you want to find the partner, that's the starting point.

[nancy]

If you want to make an argument for scum!Srceenplay or scum!Loopdan go for it though, never good to be complacent regardless of circumstances.

After a scum lynch the proper thing to do is go back over the ISO of the flipped scum and look at associatives. So if you want to find the partner, that's the starting point.

Edit.

[nancy]

In case you weren't already aware you can look at multiple ISOs at the same time. Just below the quick reply box it has "Display posts by user:" so click the dropdown box and select Pine, then click the "+" symbol next to that and click that dropdown box and select Drixx, then click "Go". You'll have both their ISOs up there for you.

[nancy]

Should I not be?

[nancy]

UNVOTE:

Okay, I was gambiting. I actually tracked Chronicle who went nowhere.

Were you trying to make me claim scum. Well, it wouldn't work cause I'm not scum.

Tell me what town!WhyMafia is thinking when he makes this post.

[nancy]

Wait.

Are you actually 14 years old?

[nancy]

Like it's completely irrelevant to this game I just find it extraordinary that a 14 year-old would be playing forum mafia.

[nancy]

So would you follow me on any lynch on the table at this point Src? Like how confident are you that I know who scum is?

I mean I'd be playing optimally if I weren't already 98% positive that we lynch scum today but I'm curious how confident you are.

[nancy]

Lol.

[nancy]

Reasons

[nancy]

You should go back over Pine associatives like I said though and see what you can find.

It's a goldmine. A treasure trove. A cornucopia of heavenly proportions. A feast for the eyes.

[nancy]

A veritable smorgasbord of a scumfuck ISO is what it is.

[nancy]

To be fair it was a little unfair for Pine that he rolled scum with me.

[nancy]

No.

[nancy]

Have you considered he may have planted those associatives for a potential mis-lynch? If you're also tasking into account my posts, I defended him bc I didn't feel it was right to lynch him earlier in the game bc he was inactive

I've considered everything.

[nancy]

I'm just waiting for BlackVoid to come in and tell us to play optimally and then I say NO WE'RE LYNCHING SCUM DUDE and then we lynch scum.

pedit holy shit pre-beetlejuice beetlejuice

[nancy]

Void trust me on this?

[nancy]

I'll unvote though, sure, let the newbies do their thang.

UNVOTE:

#bewise

[nancy]

Like I feel like after everything that I've done to get us into this position I deserve the trust to take us home and if I'm wrong then I'll own that but I don't think I am and I think I've had this game wrapped up since pretty much Pine's catchup wall and readslist.

[nancy]

I mean I realize that optimal play here is to No Lynch but I want to go for glory.

[nancy]

And I do maintain that we are in autowin or near-autowin.

[nancy]

Like I read Pine's ISO eight times over last night and groked every single read down to the bone and I just feel good about getting a perfect win here.

[nancy]

I'm fine with people taking as much time as they want to do things and everything contributing and doing all the responsible Town things I just feel extremely confident in my reads and there's only one slot that I have any desire at all to lynch today.

[nancy]

I'm fine with people taking as much time as they want to do things and everyone contributing and doing all the responsible Town things I just feel extremely confident in my reads and there's only one slot that I have any desire at all to lynch today.

Edit.

[nancy]

Why would a VT claim BP though? Why would doc not counterclaim?

There are circumstances in which a roleswap may happen if a VT is being very heavily Townread by the PR and the VT claims their role in a pro-town way but there are very rare.

[nancy]

Essentially as a PR you don't want to instantly counterclaim in most circumstances because it can be valuable to see what the player will do with the claim and how others respond to the claim and determine from that whether or not it is pro-town to counterclaim and if the PR thinks that it isn't pro-town to counterclaim then they may decide not to.

[nancy]

Last possibility is of course that nancy is doc, pretending to be BP. There wouldn't be no conflict, because she has the role that needs to CC.

Fortunately in this game that isn't the case because if it were then you saying so would be very anti-town and you would probably get yelled at for it.

[nancy]

It's generally bad play to talk about PRs at all.

[nancy]

The only time you really discuss claims if you're trying to figure out whether or not a claim is by scum or Town and whether or not you need to lynch or leash or test the claim.

[nancy]

Stealin my thunder dude

[nancy]

/me loves the Tribunal

[nancy]

/me votes scum

VOTE: Loopdan

[nancy]

Wut

[nancy]

[nancy]

You seem convinced that I'm scum over screen. So what makes him less scummy?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

But I'm voting Loopdan?

[nancy]

Srceenplay why are you voting to no lynch when there's a confirmed tracker?

No Lynch is optimal when you're playing follow the Tracker, as long as the BP is alive.

[nancy]

You No Lynch until the BP dies or there's a guilty.

[nancy]

True. I didn't think of that. Well, we would No Lynch until that happened, too, I guess.

[nancy]

Me too tbh

[nancy]

I'm probably just going to follow the Tracker

[nancy]

It's his last day alive, after all.

[nancy]

What do you think, Srceenplay?

[nancy]

You're not really a Day 1 kind of guy but you're more in your element now, right?

[nancy]

You're not really a Day 1 kind of guy but you're more in your element now, right?

Pssst.
I'm out and about tonight.
IIRC the only reason Tess was town read was because of his push for the claim strategy. He kinda fell off afterwards. Sat in the back and watched. I don't know if I believe his reasoning for not voting Drixx. Have to look at vote count later to see if he ever was there or whymafia.

Well I'm not going to be around much over the weekend so I'll just look forward to coming back to all the words from Src.

[nancy]

Replacing out would be preferable.

[nancy]

V/LA for longer than 3 days is generally not very acceptable.

[nancy]

Uh, thinking about this from a strategic perspective is really not cool. Loopdan has been a lurksack all game and should have asked to be replaced rather than go V/LA for 4 days because activity is healthy for games and he is not respecting the other players right now. He didn't ask for a replacement, so that's that. End of discussion. Get back to playing the game now.

[nancy]

Those observations are fine, Tes, but what conclusions do you reach from them?

[nancy]

Days elapsed since Srceenplay contributed anything of signifiance: 5????!!

[nancy]

How/why though? You've stated observations, now a read, but you haven't shown your work. How did you from A to B?

[nancy]

Any sign of being of the Town alignment.

[nancy]

zzzz

Go through Pine/Drixx associatives and find the partner and report back when you think you've got it.

[nancy]

ASLAN GET YOUR BUTT IN HERE RIGHT NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nancy]

[nancy]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[nancy]

My dude, there is a pretty fucking huge difference between these two playstyles. There any reason why I shouldn't believe you are scum?

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[nancy]

Nope. In your scumgames you don't put any effort at all into gamesolving. In your Town games you're gamesolving in just about every single post. The drive is absent in one, blatantly obvious in the other. Absent here.

[nancy]

I don't want to put you in the lynch pool. I want you out of it. I want you to gamesolve. I want you to stop being bland and opportunistic and do something in this game that shows that you care. I want you to stop watching me and BlackVoid gamesolve and actually do something yourself because I know you're capable of it as Town and if you're not doing it here then I am just going to assume that we do not share a win-con.

[nancy]

ASLAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


..

Why you be scums Aslan

[nancy]

Aslan this is like our first game together except now I lynch both Pine and you!!!! How funny is that!!

[nancy]

It's not really that funny..

;~;

pedit ohhis

[nancy]

Ay, nancy is town!

I have a super super super important question to ask chuuuuuuuuu
plz if you don't answer it it'll break my heart.

Spoiler: SUPER SUPER IMPORTANT QUESTION

Do you wish to be power town with me this game?

Select all that apply

[X] Yes
[] No
[X] Maybe
[X] FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
[X] But you scums ;~;

You never even answered my super important question.
Nancy how can you do this to me ;~;
/me cri

[nancy]

;~;

[nancy]

Aslan what do you think of the NK?

[nancy]

What about the associatives from Pineslot's end though?

[nancy]

You should talk with Src about this and not me tbh

pedit but there's not a doctor

[nancy]

Src claimed BP ;~;

pedit zzzz

[nancy]

ASLAN I WAS SO SURE TES WAS SCUM AND THEN YOU REPLACED IN

Okay I have an idea, Aslan you can have a 1v1 with Srceenplay and if I'll join the wagon of whomever wins

[nancy]

I'm not indecisive at all Aslan I am just sad that you may be scums ;~;

So.. gladiate, 1..2..3.. Go!

[nancy]

Src if you decline I will autovote you.

[nancy]

Tes you don't understand how I play.

No one posts in thread until the gladiate is over.

[nancy]

Except Aslan and Src obviously.

[nancy]

hey nancy.
This is kinda a wierd question but erm...
what color is your role pm?

Red. Yours? Why do you ask?

[nancy]

Why do you ask?

[nancy]

Okay cause it kinda seemed like you were trying to fake paranoia

[nancy]

How in the fuck could you prefer a useless lurksack to Aslan, exactly?

[nancy]

Why?
I townread you.

Because I'm conf!town as long as I continue to be claimed BP so I don't know how you could possibly have any question about the color of my role PM.

[nancy]

/me retracts BP claim

[nancy]

nancy am I still scums?

Obv you're conf!town ^_^

Go through associatives with me?

[nancy]

I don't think I have any explaining to do, I fakeclaimed BP as VT and WIFOMed scum into thinking there was no doctor to get us a kill-less Night. Loopdan was heavily softing Doctor but obviously recognized that I was Town despite the claim by the way I handled myself afterwards. My claim was 100% pro-town and I got Town in a position for a perfect win so that's pretty much all there is to say.

pedit it's been down to Src and Tes for me since the flip

VOTE: Srceenplay

[nancy]

Hrm.

Aslan I'm having thoughts.

[nancy]

Namely, what if Chronicle did a NK gambit because everyone was saying Drixx/Chronicle 100% in the attempt for a fake clear.

[nancy]

I already told you if I was scum I would have killed you.

You would tell me that as scum soooo

[nancy]

Just don't treat me as conftown then. A no result on a track is useless if there was no night flip

Except that you were 100% Drixx's partner so we would want to lynch if you weren't mechanically cleared

[nancy]

You know I miss Loopdan as well now.

[nancy]

I'm actually thinking about No Lynching and having Void track you again.

[nancy]

Noodle is functionally conf!town due to Pine pushing on him. I'm Town, Aslan and Void are conf!town.

That leaves {Chronicle, Srceenplay, WhyMafia}.

WhyMafia is pretty obviously Town imo and Pine's ISO is full of fake associatives trying to tie himself to the slot.

We No Lynch today, if there's a kill Chronicle is conf!town, leaving only Srceenplay.

That looks a fuck of a lot like autowin to me.

[nancy]

Oh I forgot Tes. So only Srceenplay and Tes are left.

[nancy]

zzzz fine dude I'm Doctor but there's no way that scum!Aslan tries to roleswap with me there, tell me the scum motivation in that unless he believes I'm going to tunnel him until the end of time and wants to squirm out of it.

[nancy]

Like honestly I'd be willing to lynch Srceenplay off 1682 alone.

pedit sorry you feel that way Noodle.

[nancy]

Would've gone fine if Void were a little more receptive to creative play :/

[nancy]

Can scum just claim..?

It's autowin lol.

[nancy]

Ugh I'm gonna die and then nobody is gonna have any fucking care about going through Pine's associatives.

pedit bruh no one is gonna target a VT with both PRs on the board

[nancy]

^

[nancy]

I almost ate ice cream with a fork
what the fuck is wrong wtih me?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yea no

[nancy]

I mean, there is no srceenplay case really as of yet.

Aslan go make one!

[nancy]

while all it really does is add a lot of confusion to an already messy newbie-game.

Wait this game feels messy to you?

Hrm. What are you confused about?

[nancy]

No, he put you in his SRs with almost no comment and didn't push you and if Srceenplay isn't scum then you are next in line

[nancy]

I've given Srceenplay 1,294,125,459,066,388 chances to do anything remotely pro-town and he's declined every time so I don't see why we lynch any other slot here.

pedit you're dying dude so if Town do things to prevent

[nancy]

Cool well if this isn't scum then track in {Chronicle, Tes} I guess.

[nancy]

@Noodle your issue this game I think was just that you weren't able to break out of your tunnel on my slot. Go back and read what I wrote for you at the start of the Day?

[nancy]

That was hammer but the funny thing is that Mini just went to sleep so thread won't be locked for ages

[nancy]

I mean, you insta voted me after I retracted the claim

[nancy]

Why would they be conf!town?

[nancy]

Srceenplay were you scum?

[nancy]

I dunno I basically reached the conclusion that Srceenplay was scum before today even started but if I'm wrong and he isn't then it's probably you or Chronicle I guess.

[nancy]

The fact of Noodle and Aslan being Town just makes the PoE brutal and unless I'm wrong on one of those slots I don't see any way for scum to win even if Src flips Town here.

[nancy]

I'm not even townreading you because of Pine associatives Noodle I'm just townreading you.

[nancy]

Drixx pushing your slot just made me consider it more likely that you be scum than the opposite. Except that I /really/ don't think Pine would try to hardbus his newbie buddie Day 1 ever, so..

[nancy]

Didn't u Sr Noodle most of D1 tho

Not really. I was 98% sure he was Town when I was pushing him. I just wanted to try to get him to play the game in a better way. The push was completely valid and he needed to see that the way he was playing needed to improve. Also had the benefit of potentially removing that last 2%.

[nancy]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[nancy]

I fully condone a self-hammer by scum!Src. Slowrolling is baaaad.

[nancy]

Can you self-hammer now pls sir scummer

[nancy]

So you're claiming scum and refusing to self-hammer even though you know Void is gonna come in and hammer you after dinner

[nancy]

Fiiiine.

VOTE: Aslan

Town!Aslan doesn't ruin fake twilights.

[nancy]

@nancy Well in retrospect, for me this still holds true. A polyad of question is not dialogue in my eyes, and it killed every wish I had to engage with you any further.

Noted. But you should learn to be prepared to answer a fuckton of questions as Town, about everything. If you're not willing to be held accountable for your positions you'll be either lynched for it or manipulated by scum. Like, a huge problem with Town this game has been lack of cooperation and accountability. Those two together lead to synergy and that is how Town wins games. Lack of it is Towns lose games.

[nancy]

Like, I genuinely do not understand what anyone was going to get out of this fake twilight. Plus Chronicle ruined it before me so...

This isn't town!you mentality Aslan

[nancy]

Actually I think Tes looked kind of Town in it.

[nancy]

Like, you're really focused this game. You just don't behave this way unless you have a clear agenda, and you never have an agenda when you're Town. There's no confusion or doubt in anything you've done since replacing in.

[nancy]

How can I have an agenda when I haven't read the game?

Because you're scum.

Thing is, the likelihood of there having been a scum pushing me at the time that I claimed is just really high, and the only other people pushing me then were Noodle and Chronicle. The other thing is, only three slots could've been bussing Drixx, and the only other people on Drixx's wagon that aren't conf!town were Noodle and Srceenplay.

[nancy]

I don't think Srceenplay was bussing. Loopdan's associatives with Pine/Drixx are bad.

I've already told you why else I think you're scum bae. You came in with an agenda and pushed it with a confidence that I don't read as town!Aslan.

[nancy]

Like, I haven't seen this tunnelvision from town!you before.

[nancy]

Either way if BV is comfortable with this, he should have hammers.

I don't like the tone here Aslan. This doesn't read to me like town!Aslan super confident he's about to win the game with a scum lynch.

[nancy]

I was in the dead thread that game, and that case is exceptional because Grey. You also handled it differently, you went through other slots and you haven't done that here.

[nancy]

You have a special thing with Grey.

Anyway, you did push elsewhere, that day ended with a mastina lynch because Town was horrible.

[nancy]

Town was horrible.

Despite your best efforts

That game was so painful to spec.

[nancy]

Like, you had a fuckton of belief in your push on Grey. Here I feel like you have more agenda than belief.

[nancy]

All you had to do was read the bit where I called Src scum and push that while kinda buddying me.

[nancy]

No but the way you did the buddying was a bit weird.

[nancy]

Like all you gotta do as scum is come in and push a quick mislynch so you can NK me and then you're a townread slot with a slim shot of a LyLo win.

[nancy]

Ya please don't get upset here <3

Probs cause you thought I was gonna deathtunnel you and thought it might be a good shot at putting me off if nothing else.

[nancy]

I thought we had a thing where me, BV, and you were all going to be powertown together.
AND WE CAN STILL DO THAT!
But we can't do that if we're at each others throats all of the dam time.

I'm dead tonight

[nancy]

First being that I wouldn't try and interact with a wagon to the extent that I was with Drixx's yesterday unless you're conf!town or heavily Townread and really know what you're doing, just because of how sketchy it can look from an uninformed perspective if you're not smart about it. You do want to check yourself and others pushing the wagon, though, and if nothing else that's what you should get from that. Essentially with as much counterpushing off the wagon I did, if Drixx was scum it was practically guaranteed that the second scum would've followed or engaged with my pushes, unless they were entirely possessed by the spirit of the bus. The fact that none did effectively meant that scum either didn't want to push off Drixx (bussing) or were incapable of pushing off Drixx (newbie). And unless Drixx had completely given up (which he had) then his interactions with my counterpushes would've also been highly indicative of his motivations (and therefore alignment) - typically, scum!him would encourage me in a more or less one-dimensional way that displayed more survivalism that genuine conviction, while town!him would engage me in a critically communicative way (encouraged by noticing that I wasn't wrongly scumreading him) and try to point me towards his scumreads. (That isn't a statement about Drixx's meta, Drixx is just a placeholder for "scumslot" in this example.)

[nancy]

Drixx was behaved in a much more I'm-being-bussed way towards Loopdan than Src.

[nancy]

I honestly dunno how anyone was townreading Loopdan. Even if they townread you I dunno how you can get a townread from Loop's ISO.

[nancy]

If you're not scum then give me something to work with bae. Like, I'm scumreading both you and Src but if scum is outside that, who's it gonna be?

[nancy]

Then refer to 1390 and scum is in {Chronicle, Tes, WM}.

[nancy]

Who is lowest in your reads out of those three?

[nancy]

Like, there are tons of associatives from that Pine wall.

[nancy]

For whatever reason I'm apparently the only one who has actually pored over that but they are there.

[nancy]

UNVOTE:

<3

[nancy]

Drixx (L-0): BlackVoid, Loopdan, StealthyNoodle, Srceenplay, nancy
StealthyNoodle (L-4): Drixx
TesXX (L-4): WhyMafia

Not voting: TesXX, Chronicle

[nancy]

You claiming scum Noodle?

[nancy]

Rudeness excused.

VOTE: Noodle

[nancy]

Where? Follow me on Noodle for great victory.

[nancy]

My goal this game is now to end with 666 posts.

[nancy]

Have to take into account say.... 10? 15? post-game posts.