Open 680: C9++ (Abandoned due to mod error. See new thread)

shannon · Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:37 pm

In post 1517, Umlaut wrote:I'll be back, don't worry.

VOTE: Titus
Hard to argue with the points being made here. Would still be happy to fastwagon Shannon if support for that comes rolling in.

Titus is a stronger player than I am and town will do better with her than with me.

In post 1520, Titus wrote:
In post 1512, Alchemist21 wrote:P.S. Titus herself pointed out that the sheer number of PRs in this game can mechanically PoE the scum, which makes her situation a lot closer the the TMF game I linked.
Only true if they are made to claim.

Otherwise crumbing dual letters is ideal for every slot.

Scum will do it.

Therefore, the only slots that won't are VTs.

Yep

In post 1572, DarkChocolate n PalmTree wrote:I'd also like Shannon's list of scumreads while I'm thinking about the game. I'm reading her as town too so I don't know why so many people are deadest that it's Titus and Shannon.

Scum reading Umlaut for his slip and his refusal to claim properly, and I really want a claim from him, stat. He made the weakest possible claim to attempt to try to save his ass. (I also don't get how people who *don't* think he's scum for this, are voting Titus for her equally weak counter claim - can you not see that Titus's behaviour stemmed from knowing that Umulaut's claim was fake in the first place?)

I go back and forth on Fire, is this just his play style or is he jumping all over the place because he's opportunistic scum? His response to Titus' case on Umlaut has been disappointing and I've seen him jump on weaker cases that he's made himself, so I'm leaning scum here.

I think the replacements in the Momo slot are indicative of it being a difficult one to play, perhaps scum or SK.

PEdit: You make a good point about Narna; town would want an extension to catch up, scum would want to keep things ticking along as-is as we move toward a lynch out of desperation. But I did town read Beeboy based on early game stuff.

DarkChocolate n PalmTree · Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:37 pm

Well, it's been fifteen hours since Narna's replace in and the deadline is creeping up fast. That doesn't look like town jumping into the game and concerned about doing pro-town things.

Titus · Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:38 pm

In post 1574, DarkChocolate n PalmTree wrote:Well, I'm holding out for my hydra partner (hapahauli) before deciding to commit to any wagon. There are a lot of people that I (BlackVoid) would personally like to lynch. I'd go for Alchemist or GC obviously. I wouldn't mind utility lynching Momo although Hap is convinced that tojam wouldn't have replaced out there as scum. I wouldn't mind lynching Narna (beeboy's slot) because beeboy just tunneled two lynchbait slots and did nothing else. Narna replaced in a while ago but didn't post (catching up in the scum PT first?), maybe his partners just told him to lie low until really close to deadline when he can then hammer a Titus/Shannno mislynch without repurcussions. I'm weirded out that he didn't ask for a deadline extension upon replacing in even though we're cutting it really close. FireScreamer pings me like crazy everytime he posts but I could just be mistrusting his playstyle. Hap has him as a solid townread so our vote isn't going there today. So, I'm not really sure. Still thinking about what to do.

I think the first step, if Hapa has gotten to the double letters claim is to sort out and come to a final decision regarding Umlaut claiming.

Because even if we move off of him today, I'm going to keep voting him until each day it's systemically impossible to lynch him until he claims.

If he absolutely gets to tailor his claim after everyone else, I'll be raging from the dead thread.

Titus · Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:38 pm

In post 1576, DarkChocolate n PalmTree wrote:Well, it's been fifteen hours since Narna's replace in and the deadline is creeping up fast. That doesn't look like town jumping into the game and concerned about doing pro-town things.

I'd lynch it but I want Umlaut to claim.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:45 pm

In post 1574, DarkChocolate n PalmTree wrote:Well, I'm holding out for my hydra partner (hapahauli) before deciding to commit to any wagon. There are a lot of people that I (BlackVoid) would personally like to lynch. I'd go for Alchemist or GC obviously. I wouldn't mind utility lynching Momo although Hap is convinced that tojam wouldn't have replaced out there as scum. I wouldn't mind lynching Narna (beeboy's slot) because beeboy just tunneled two lynchbait slots and did nothing else. Narna replaced in a while ago but didn't post
(catching up in the scum PT first?), maybe his partners just told him to lie low until really close to deadline when he can then hammer a Titus/Shannno mislynch without repurcussions.
I'm weirded out that he didn't ask for a deadline extension upon replacing in even though we're cutting it really close. FireScreamer pings me like crazy everytime he posts but I could just be mistrusting his playstyle. Hap has him as a solid townread so our vote isn't going there today. So, I'm not really sure. Still thinking about what to do.

There's no Day chat. This literally could not have happened.

Narna · Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:54 pm

Hi, did we cover how Charloux is scum out of rvs?

VOTE: Rory

Titus · Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:55 pm

In post 1580, Narna wrote:Hi, did we cover how Charloux is scum out of rvs?

VOTE: Rory

No. We did not. That being said, your slot has done just as much as his and there's more recent developments that you should chime in on.

However, before you "finish reading" (put in quotes in case you have)

If a slot has a suspicious post, gets wagoned for it, and then softs dual letters, should it claim?

DarkChocolate n PalmTree · Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:56 pm

In post 1579, Alchemist21 wrote:There's no Day chat. This literally could not have happened.

Missed that. The rest still applies though. Narna's one post so far is unappealing as well.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:56 pm

In post 1580, Narna wrote:Hi, did we cover how Charloux is scum out of rvs?

VOTE: Rory

Have you even read past RVS?

Green Crayons · Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:12 pm

I want to get the claims straight.

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

So IC means 1 M. If no other PRs, we have

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather

If Comm (1-shot doc, MUST be at least 1 full doc) is not lying, we have

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

If Umlaut (unknown PR, claimed there MUST be at least 1 other PR) is not lying, but Comm is, we have the above. If BOTH Comm AND Umlaut are not lying, we have

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

Post this for my reference.

Titus · Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:23 pm

In post 1584, Green Crayons wrote:I want to get the claims straight.

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

So IC means 1 M. If no other PRs, we have
TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather
If Comm (1-shot doc, MUST be at least 1 full doc) is not lying, we have
TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
If Umlaut (unknown PR, claimed there MUST be at least 1 other PR) is not lying, but Comm is, we have the above. If BOTH Comm AND Umlaut are not lying, we have
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
Post this for my reference.

You've found the setup wiki, so why do you need to copy this "for reference"?

DarkChocolate n PalmTree · Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:31 pm

Okay, we're running out of time. @Titus, we'll get Umlaut to claim first thing tomorrow. Let's just give it one night where scum don't know what they are facing in the event he's town. Does that seem like an acceptable compromise?

VOTE: Narna

I think this is our best shot at hitting scum. Beeboy hasn't been playing like his town-self from the (admittedly very limited) meta I have of him, don't like his tunneling tojam and Excel and Narna's posting so far has been unimpressive so I'd go with that for a D1 deadline lynch. Hopefully protective roles are on us so we get a chance to reassess this game at leisure tomorrow without being rushed. Our slot is the only one that's 100% confirmed town so having us alive is +EV (increases the percentage of tomorrow's lynch being scum).

Green Crayons · Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:31 pm

Because I've got several tabs already open and am formulating a post, and it was easier to post that in the thread with noting what the various setup possibilities are instead of keeping it open as a separate, unposted tab.

DarkChocolate n PalmTree · Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:33 pm

Actually hang on for a little bit of last minute discussion.

UNVOTE:

Titus · Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:33 pm

In post 1586, DarkChocolate n PalmTree wrote:Okay, we're running out of time. @Titus, we'll get Umlaut to claim first thing tomorrow. Let's just give it one night where scum don't know what they are facing in the event he's town. Does that seem like an acceptable compromise?

VOTE: Narna

I think this is our best shot at hitting scum. Beeboy hasn't been playing like his town-self from the (admittedly very limited) meta I have of him, don't like his tunneling tojam and Excel and Narna's posting so far has been unimpressive so I'd go with that for a D1 deadline lynch. Hopefully protective roles are on us so we get a chance to reassess this game at leisure tomorrow without being rushed. Our slot is the only one that's 100% confirmed town so having us alive is +EV (increases the percentage of tomorrow's lynch being scum).

Not really, but your hydra has decided and I said that I would roll with what your hydra decided.

Titus · Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:38 pm

Would you be willing to leash them to my recommendations?

Green Crayons · Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:40 pm

In post 1314, Umlaut wrote:
FireScreamer wrote:Can you walk me through it.
The only way I can know this is if my role nails down two letters for me, which is only possible if they're the same letter.

I already said I'm not a doctor, so I'm claiming to know of an additional CC, VV, MM, or BB. This would respectively make me a full cop, full vigilante, full mason, or one-shot blocker.

Can someone explain this to me, because I don't follow.

The only three roles that you know for a fact has to be a counter part is 1-shot doc, 1-shot RBer, and mason.

Titus · Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:43 pm

In post 1591, Green Crayons wrote:
In post 1314, Umlaut wrote:
FireScreamer wrote:Can you walk me through it.
The only way I can know this is if my role nails down two letters for me, which is only possible if they're the same letter.

I already said I'm not a doctor, so I'm claiming to know of an additional CC, VV, MM, or BB. This would respectively make me a full cop, full vigilante, full mason, or one-shot blocker.
Can someone explain this to me, because I don't follow.

The only three roles that you know for a fact has to be a counter part is 1-shot doc, 1-shot RBer, and mason.

You're smarter than this, but I'll humor you so you can't pretend to be dumb.

Umlaut has claimed two letters in his role PM. This means any role Umlaut has requires two letters or more in the setup.
CC = Cop
VV = Vigilante
MM = 2 Masons
BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker

Green Crayons · Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:47 pm

A few points.

1) Go pound sand.

2) Two letters doesn't mean everything under that letter is there. For example, if you get CC, that means there is a cop, not a 1-shot cop and a cop.

3) I am a town PR. You don't get "letters" in the role PM. Sooooo.

DarkChocolate n PalmTree · Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:50 pm

In post 1593, Green Crayons wrote:I am a town PR.

In that case, we should get Umlaut to claim now.

Green Crayons · Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:51 pm

Fine by me.

Titus · Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:51 pm

In post 1593, Green Crayons wrote:A few points.

1) Go pound sand.

2) Two letters doesn't mean everything under that letter is there. For example, if you get CC, that means there is a cop, not a 1-shot cop and a cop.

3) I am a town PR. You don't get "letters" in the role PM. Sooooo.

Now, because you are pretending to not understand I'm going to do something blatantly scummy to you.

Are you one letter or two?

Green Crayons · Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:53 pm

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey I'll vote you just for being an asshole

I've done it before, will do it again

Green Crayons · Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:54 pm

If you're told you're a cop, that doesn't mean there is definitely a 1-shot cop (CCC would be required) because only two CCs could have been drawn.

So on for all of the roles except 1-shot doc, 1-shot RBer, and mason. Explain to me how I'm wrong instead of telling me I'm pretending to be stupid. I am this stupid.

Titus · Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:55 pm

Ok, I'll be nicer.

Mr. Green Crayons with an amazing avatar, would you indulge the queen of moonlogic in her flight of fantasy in determining how many letters your PM has according to the setup wiki since you are very smart and I think you are underperforming what you are capable of?