Accountant's Utopia Philosophy

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cuz here's the thing. I already have an argument and 100% factual proof that I can in fact murder someone and legally get away with it.

Like, I've already won here, I'm just waiting to see if you'll continue to disagree so I can see if your intentions are to just be silly or you're serious.

[Annadog40]

But is it murder if it is legal?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

murder is killing someone with intent and you planned on doing it. So yeah it's still murder

[Accountant]

Not a counterargument to what he said

Of course it is. He says my speech is illegal. I argue that my speech can't be illegal because I would never do anything illegal.

[Not_Mafia]

So anything you do is by definition legal?

[Accountant]

Cuz here's the thing. I already have an argument and 100% factual proof that I can in fact murder someone and legally get away with it.

Like, I've already won here, I'm just waiting to see if you'll continue to disagree so I can see if your intentions are to just be silly or you're serious.

Go ahead and present your proof.

[Accountant]

murder is killing someone with intent and you planned on doing it. So yeah it's still murder

No.

An executioner who kills a prisoner with intent and the plan on doing is is NOT a murderer. Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of another human being.

[Accountant]

So anything you do is by definition legal?

Better to say that I wouldn't do anything that wasn't by definition legal, so you can just look at the things I do and know for sure they're legal.

[Not_Mafia]

Even though you committed sedition

[Not_Mafia]

And admitted to it

[Accountant]

I never committed sedition, nor did I admit to commit sedition.

[Accountant]

Sedition is illegal, and by definition I do not do illegal things, because I am a righteous person.

[Accountant]

(unless I am in such a situation where higher considerations override the law, but this is not one of those situations.)

[Not_Mafia]

I was not aware of this. How lucky you pointed it out before I got arrested. Thank you, psyche.

[Accountant]

Yeah, but later on I prove that I'm not doing illegal things.

[Accountant]

By the way, I'm not inciting violent revolt except in very bad case like the Middle-East or the more wartorn parts of Africa. The revolt will be peaceful, internal and legal; it is what we call "education".

[Accountant]

I think, on reflection, you are putting the cart before the horse.

You are saying "Accountant has done X and Y. Let us check if X and Y is legal to determine if what Accountant does is legal". The thought process should be "Accountant has done X and Y, so X and Y must be legal. Enough said, stop questioning, open and shut." Done.

[Shaziro]

Your title is not for saying things that are self evident, it's for claiming that the things you say are self evident.

[Accountant]

They are the same thing.

[Kublai Khan]

I think, on reflection, you are putting the cart before the horse.

You are saying "Accountant has done X and Y. Let us check if X and Y is legal to determine if what Accountant does is legal". The thought process should be "Accountant has done X and Y, so X and Y must be legal. Enough said, stop questioning, open and shut." Done.

Why are you obsessed with legality of things?
Doesn't obeying laws mean that you submitting to someone else's morality?
Are all laws worthy of being followed?

[Accountant]

Why are you obsessed with legality of things?
Doesn't obeying laws mean that you submitting to someone else's morality?
Are all laws worthy of being followed?

The reason I am obsessed with it is because the law represents order. When I obey laws, I am obeying order, and making the world beautiful. That is all in accordance to my morality. So it is as though I am a spy who pretends to submit to another's morality but really the ultimate goal is to further my own(by increasing order).

Are all laws worthy of being followed?

No

. In fact, and here is what is going to surprise you, the vast majority of laws are not worthy of being followed. Any law that is not in line with my philosophy is not worthy of being followed: but they must be followed anyway to the strictest letter, even though they be unworthy, for the sake of not being a bunch of barbarians.

[Kublai Khan]

The reason I am obsessed with it is because the law represents order. When I obey laws, I am obeying order, and making the world beautiful. That is all in accordance to my morality. So it is as though I am a spy who pretends to submit to another's morality but really the ultimate goal is to further my own(by increasing order).

Are all laws worthy of being followed?

No

. In fact, and here is what is going to surprise you, the vast majority of laws are not worthy of being followed. Any law that is not in line with my philosophy is not worthy of being followed: but they must be followed anyway to the strictest letter, even though they be unworthy, for the sake of not being a bunch of barbarians.

What does morality have to do with order and chaos?
You acknowledge that there is bad order, does it not follow that there is also good chaos?

[Accountant]

What does morality have to do with order and chaos?
You acknowledge that there is bad order, does it not follow that there is also good chaos?

Morality tells us what is good and what is bad. Murder is bad. Kindness is good. That is morality. In the same vein, order is good. Chaos is bad.

Furthermore, I don't think it logically follows that there can be good chaos just because some order is rotten. Some people take anti-racism too far and start being hostile or cruel to anyone that they perceive as racist or not being in line with their views. That doesn't mean there can be good racism.

[Kublai Khan]

What does morality have to do with order and chaos?
You acknowledge that there is bad order, does it not follow that there is also good chaos?

Morality tells us what is good and what is bad. Murder is bad. Kindness is good. That is morality. In the same vein, order is good. Chaos is bad.

Is murder always bad under every circumstance? What if someone was someone was suffering a great deal and ultimately would die anyways. Would murdering them (euthanasia) not be the greater good under that circumstance?

What if you gave someone candy everyday, both of you not realizing that it was contributing to a disease (diabetes) that would ultimately kill them? Was that kindness not bad?

Furthermore, I don't think it logically follows that there can be good chaos just because some order is rotten. Some people take anti-racism too far and start being hostile or cruel to anyone that they perceive as racist or not being in line with their views. That doesn't mean there can be good racism.

Racism separates people into categories. That sounds very orderly to me.

[Accountant]

Racism separates people into categories. That sounds very orderly to me.

It is orderly. It's an example of the bad order I spoke off earlier. I used racism as an example of how some X being bad doesn't imply some of its opposite being good.