[Game Over] Newbie 1784 - Escape Room

[WhyMafia]

Alisae, you doc? I want that perfect town win.

Remind me -
Why are you so convinced that nancy is scum?

[WhyMafia]

t perfect town win.
Okay.
Why would you EVER say this outloud? I'm not going to give you an answer, but what makes you think it is perfectly acceptable to ask this outloud. If a BP exist, a doc shouldn't be possible.

If doc claims, Nancy is pretty much confirmed scum, that's why.
So if you are doc, there's nothing to lose from claiming it.

[WhyMafia]

Why?
I townread you.

Because I'm conf!town as long as I continue to be claimed BP so I don't know how you could possibly have any question about the color of my role PM.

hmmmm...

Alright. I claim Doctor BUT
I do NOT want a flashwagon on nancy.

PLOT TWIST

MiniDeathStar:

gif removed - it was extremely annoying and distracting. Sorry.

[WhyMafia]

Alisae, you doc? I want that perfect town win.

Okay.
Why would you EVER say this outloud? I'm not going to give you an answer, but what makes you think it is perfectly acceptable to ask this outloud. If a BP exist, a doc shouldn't be possible.

Ugh, this is why I wish we had kept Loopdan.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT I CAN REPLACE OUT YOU KNOW IF YOU HATE ME THAT MUCH

nuuuu
Don't leave me to the evil vultures of Nancy, Screen, and Stealthy

[WhyMafia]

/me retracts BP claim

You have quite a lot of explaining to do -_-

[WhyMafia]

Dude!
I looked at Srceen's ISO, I saw scum, and I am currently pushing that.
Plus I have like,
the worst reading comprehension on MS.

That's me

[WhyMafia]

Ok caught up completely. I'm completely disturbed by Srceen. He has literally sheeped town leaders

THE WHOLE GAME

????
VOTE: SrceenPlay
Nancy changed her vote, and Alisae voted him, so that makes it L-1

I'm fine with a lynch on me if it means we win. Go ahead.

[WhyMafia]

Ok caught up completely. I'm completely disturbed by Srceen. He has literally sheeped town leaders

THE WHOLE GAME

????
VOTE: SrceenPlay
Nancy changed her vote, and Alisae voted him, so that makes it L-1

I'm fine with a lynch on me if it means we win. Go ahead.

Hmm, this is the second time you've avoided to respond to my post.
VOTE: WhyMafia

When was the first?
Responding to it rn. I didn't have time to respond then

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia, I think my townreads on you are pretty fine, but you've been doing a lot of shady stuff as well.

What's notable here is when he was accused of defending Pine, he jumps to say that he was defended another slot as well.

I like this observation as well. Here's some further investigation.

Deerstalker On

Actually, I did take note of post 176 (which is his only defense of Cog, as mentioned in 463). And something was off about it: I remember being a bit annoyed because he pretty much spewed out the same non-sense as Chronicle:

Your vote is

wasted on a slot

that hasn't even

logged in since the game started

, and you voting him will not pop him an email telling him to check in on this game and post his thoughts.

And when he does finally catch up, he will post his thoughts accordingly. Your one vote doesn't do anything. It will not spur any sort of reaction, it does not give him any sort of incentive to pay more attention to this game, because he is not ignoring this game. Because he hasn't even logged in yet.

Your vote does not do anything. His inactivity thus far is not alignment indicative.

It doesn't seem like you're reading my posts at all. So let me rephrase:
If bjc0303 is lurking, he sees this. If there's more pressure and he's still lurking, there'll probably be a response as well. To explain further:

He doesn't have to be online to lurk.

I don't get why you keep pushing such an invalid argument.

Why are we debating his alignment when he's not even lurking - he hasn't

logged on since the game started

. This is

wasting time to find scum

, unless we're using this to gauge reactions.

But idk I'm bad at mafia

And that goes for you as well.

I've included WhyMafia's whole post 176 in this quote. Had to alter it in order to get my point across.

This was his

only defense

of bjc(the one Cog replaced), and it's pretty much Chron's words, rearranged.

Care to explain why your post is so similar to Chronicle's?

Because I agree with it. It's a fact. He didn't log on ..
What's more to be said?

[WhyMafia]

Because I agree with it. It's a fact. He didn't log on ..

What bothers me the most, is that it seems like you try to make it your own post.

Why are we debating his alignment

You ask why we're discussing his

alignment

. Chronicle used this word right before you and you haven't used it ever since. The fact that you ask, means you didn't even read through the discussion. But you had the time to copy Chronicle.

he hasn't logged on since the game started.

Why would you mention this again, when Chronicle just mentioned it? (in almost exact wording while we're at it)
Why not just state that you agree with Chronicle?

This is

wasting time to find scum

, unless we're using this to gauge reactions.

Again,

Chronicle's words

.

tl;dr
It doesn't look like you're interested in defending bjc.
It looks like you're trying act town by assisting his defense, and do so by

posing someone else's research as your own

.

Well my apologies for the "copying"
I also gave the same general argument for Pine if I remember correctly ...

My stance towards inactives has never changed

[WhyMafia]

Are we lynching srceen, tes, chronicle, or me

[WhyMafia]

i despise gambits

It makes my already low comprehension become non existent

[WhyMafia]

....


A wild MiniDeathStar appears!



Kraaaaww!!

[Throw] MasterBall [/Throw]

[WhyMafia]

It's funny this game is called escape room

Lynch WhyMafia so we all can go home

Sheesh why do you want me dead so badly

[WhyMafia]

I will defend you WhyMafia!!

VOTE: Srceenplay

[WhyMafia]

Wear sunglasses, I do not

Mocked, I feel

[WhyMafia]

It's not mechanically autowin but yes it is autowin.

That banana isn't an actually banana but yes it is a banana.

Contradictions, full of, that sentence is

[WhyMafia]

N

ewbie

G

ame

#

1784

Reminder

Rule 13 - No off-topic posting.

Avoid cluttering the game thread. An occasional sentence or two is fine, but remember you're here to play mafia.

Yes ma'am

[WhyMafia]

Welp. My dying wish is for you guys to lynch srceen tomorrow please

[WhyMafia]

Lol pretty much half the player list got replaced

[WhyMafia]

WhyMafia you're supposed to guess my readslist >:[

Whenever I have 50-50 odds, it never works in my favor, let alone guessing your entire reads list.

[WhyMafia]

@WhyMafia, I think my townreads on you are pretty fine, but you've been doing a lot of shady stuff as well.

What's notable here is when he was accused of defending Pine, he jumps to say that he was defended another slot as well.

I like this observation as well. Here's some further investigation.

Deerstalker On

Actually, I did take note of post 176 (which is his only defense of Cog, as mentioned in 463). And something was off about it: I remember being a bit annoyed because he pretty much spewed out the same non-sense as Chronicle:

Your vote is

wasted on a slot

that hasn't even

logged in since the game started

, and you voting him will not pop him an email telling him to check in on this game and post his thoughts.

And when he does finally catch up, he will post his thoughts accordingly. Your one vote doesn't do anything. It will not spur any sort of reaction, it does not give him any sort of incentive to pay more attention to this game, because he is not ignoring this game. Because he hasn't even logged in yet.

Your vote does not do anything. His inactivity thus far is not alignment indicative.

It doesn't seem like you're reading my posts at all. So let me rephrase:
If bjc0303 is lurking, he sees this. If there's more pressure and he's still lurking, there'll probably be a response as well. To explain further:

He doesn't have to be online to lurk.

I don't get why you keep pushing such an invalid argument.

Why are we debating his alignment when he's not even lurking - he hasn't

logged on since the game started

. This is

wasting time to find scum

, unless we're using this to gauge reactions.

But idk I'm bad at mafia

And that goes for you as well.

I've included WhyMafia's whole post 176 in this quote. Had to alter it in order to get my point across.

This was his

only defense

of bjc(the one Cog replaced), and it's pretty much Chron's words, rearranged.

Care to explain why your post is so similar to Chronicle's?

Because I agree with it. It's a fact. He didn't log on ..
What's more to be said?

But you voted me for stating opinions that had already been said.

{Chronicle} I still need to read more through this one's iso, I'll make an updated version of this list when I do.
{Loop} null I guess, I've been having trouble trying to get a read on him. I will include any opinions I've changed in the update. Somebody may have asked this but @Loop how come you wanted a Pine lynch in 662?
{Srceen} nullscum. I dislike the change if thought process from 841 to 900.
{StealthyNoodle} also nullscum. I'm not completely done looking through his slot, I haven't liked some of his cases against nancy and I don't like how he tried to pull the same thing as WhyMafia did in 701
{WhyMafia} scumlean. I'm not a fan of the "I'm fine with getting lynched therefore I am town" thing that he pulled and I disagree with his reasoning of why scum wouldn't do it. Unsure of why he had a switch in attitude toward Chronicle, unless I missed something.
{Drixx} also scumlean. Yeah, I looked back at Pine's wallpost(I may take another look at it eventually) and his wallpost did seem like he was actually

trying

to townread nancy, possibly because she'd be the easiest to not have to put effort into making fake reads for(since he could probably pull the meta crap). There's also what BV said in 951 about a possible Drixx + WM team which I agree with if WM were to flip red.

btw
is this the best you can do?
It seems like you put hardly any effort into those reads. Literally everything you said is parroting what other's have said. I fail to see how thinking of these reasons were hard, considering everyone already posted these reasonings. VOTE: TesXX

@WM do you have any explanation for this contradiction?

Because that was one post while 99% of your reads were parroted

[WhyMafia]

That's irrelevant. Just have a try so the next person can go. You're not going to be lynched if you guess wrong.

That's not really reassuring :-:

Lemme re-read your last dozen or two posts

[WhyMafia]

BlackVoid
Noodle, Aslan
Tes
Loopdan, Chron
Srceenplay and myself

Inb4 none of these except for BlackVoid was right xd

[WhyMafia]

How would his answer say

anything

about anyone at all?

Questions like why do

you

think

I

believe that

WhyMafia

reads scum, isn't gonna get you anywhere near a read.

You're practically forcing him to go through nancy's collection of weird reads, try to make some kinda sense out of them, and then explain why he thinks that some reads

maybe

made more sense than others.
Of course, most likely he's just wild guessing, like I would do if I felt obligated to answer some weird question like that.

I just gave random names. I cannot even begin to fathom Nancy's reads. My apologies

[WhyMafia]

I am not moving my vote ever.

Lynch srceen
Or lynch me
I'm fairly certain noodle is town. His activity + posts + tone seems good to me

[WhyMafia]

Unlike tessology, my word actually makes sense.

What's tessology?

[WhyMafia]

Srceenplay - wicked arguments, brute force and no mercy.


Whymafia - politeness, smooth talk and AtE.

Those are currently my candidates. WhyMafia the most.

Thanks for your kind words good sir

[WhyMafia]

It's the exact opposite? He's been acting like this several times now. "Lynch me, I don't care". If he was town, he'd likely realize we're not in autowin, and not "give up" that easily.
Thanks for kind words though, WhyMafia.

We're fairly close to it. Plus I kinda lost motivation for this game, I made way too many mistakes and Idk how to rectify them at this point in the game.

[WhyMafia]

I'd really like it if you are town for you to go over all other players in the game and consider alternatives.

I suppose

[WhyMafia]

It's the exact opposite? He's been acting like this several times now. "Lynch me, I don't care". If he was town, he'd likely realize we're not in autowin, and not "give up" that easily.
Thanks for kind words though, WhyMafia.

We're fairly close to it. Plus I kinda lost motivation for this game, I made way too many mistakes and Idk how to rectify them at this point in the game.

Scum claim

If I was scum I would have forfeited. All I am saying is that my extremely bad play d1 kinda turned me off

[WhyMafia]

If I was scum I would have forfeited. All I am saying is that my extremely bad play d1 kinda turned me off

But if you're Town then you lose nothing by continuing to try and play and improve and help Town. The only way this makes sense is if you are scum and want to avoid doing things to incriminate yourself. Your play was not extremely bad Day 1. In fact it was not bad at all unless you are scum.

Yes but I don't trust myself. Most of what you guys say is well developed, analytical, and makes sense to me. I'm trying to find stuff that none of you have seen, but most of the major posts that I have opinions on would literally be parroting one of the other players. I'm just frustrated .. sorry for my semi-inactivity

[WhyMafia]

Noodle
- all scumhunting outside Pine seems to be exaggerating NAI shit as scum!indicative
- prewritten post at daystart
- total lack of cooperation and belligerence all game
- plastic read on Chronicle
- hard defended WM Day 1 then flipped his read on him (see first point)

May be forgetting stuff? That is off the top of my head.


WhyMafia
- response to being wagoned has been largely anti-town
- pushed CWs when Drixx was being lynched


Srceenplay
- scumhunting has felt totally vacant
- has basically sheeped all game
- hasn't followed through on contributing today
- survivalism / opportunism hasn't done any favors
- votes Pine early Day 1 as first interaction, does nothing with vote, doesn't interact with Pine further except asking blandly for a readslist


Ari
- Chronicle's Pine associatives are gross
- lurking??


Aslan
- lots of stuff I don't think we need to talk about this further atm

Can you explain "anti-town?"

[WhyMafia]

wrote

quote*

From start of d2?
Ok expect a mega post from me this weekend. I have a lot of projects for school + finals, so hopefully I'll have time to make it. Don't hammer till then

[WhyMafia]

Yes but I don't trust myself. Most of what you guys say is well developed, analytical, and makes sense to me. I'm trying to find stuff that none of you have seen, but most of the major posts that I have opinions on would literally be parroting one of the other players. I'm just frustrated .. sorry for my semi-inactivity

Yeah, I get that. I'm sorry you feel frustrated. It can still be helpful to see which points you agree with though. Even if you think Void and I have already said everything, you surely don't agree with all of it completely? Saying which stuff you agree with and which stuff you don't agree with helps us sort you and also potentially helps us see any flaws in our work. Teamwork is great. Don't be shy!

Can you explain "anti-town?"

Well, you have pro-scum, pro-town, and anti-town. Pro-scum is behavior that furthers scum win-con, pro-town behavior is stuff that directly furthers Town win-con, anti-town is behavior that doesn't directly further Town win-con. Saying "lynch me" is anti-town because you getting mislynched does nothing to directly benefit Town win-con, you should be doing everything you can to fight your lynch because you are confirmed as Town to yourself whereas no one else is (except Void and I in this game). Anti-town behavior is typically selfish behavior. Pro-town behavior is typically making yourself obvtown via working with others to scumhunt and gamesolve. So the difference is mostly that anti-town focuses on you individually ("I'm sick of this game, lynch me"), pro-town focuses on the Town win-con overall ("You're not lynching scum, here is why and here is where I think the scum are"). (Brackets are responses to being wagoned, the way you were Day 1 where you let off a bunch of anti-town AtE.)

Ah ok. Thanks for clarifying

[WhyMafia]

Ok expect a mega post from me this weekend. I have a lot of projects for school + finals, so hopefully I'll have time to make it. Don't hammer till then

Awesome, looking forward to it! I'll make sure no one hammers.

Is he at L-1?

IM AT L-1

HUHHHHHH

[WhyMafia]

No one is at L-1. Be calm.

CALM?? Who needs to be CALM DURING A SUGAR HIGH WHEEEEEEEEEEE

[WhyMafia]

Up to page 58:
Will post more in a bit

*subtle victory dance*

Good morning then!

Well, if the doc is still out there, now would be the time to counterclaim:

Doing so guaratees a town win(and almost a perfect one at that):
the doc-claim is real, we lynch scum!nancy
the doc-claim is fake, we lynch town!nancy. Upon her flipping town, we'll lynch scum!doc.

There obviously won't be no fake-claims though.

Pretty sure, nancy is not scum though:

case 1:

scum!

not

nancy would likely shoot for tracker as there's no one around to protect him. Not doing so, would be a great risk to scum as they're the only one left.

case 2:

scum!nancy would've known doc is in play, thus take out anyone but the tracker.

case 3:

scum!nancy nokilling would look as if someone tried to take out her or tracker(case 1). This is risky play though, and less likely. She could do this to avoid case 2(which makes her almost certain scum).

case 4:
town!nancy fake-claimed BP to trick scum into shooting tracker, doc is still alive not counterclaiming. This is

highly unlikely

, as she'd risk the doc would reveal himself, thus getting both PRs killed.

footnote: I did enjoy that postmortem(pun not intended), last-gasp attempt to make the bus look real. Concidering it came arond

after

hammer went down, it pretty much cleared me more than it hurt me.

---

tl;dr
a doc-claim now would pretty much guarantee our win.

Valid points. Noodle sure doesn't know what to think of Nancy xd

VOTE: WhyMafia

You don't even want to wait for tracker?

Like wtf is srceenplay doing

In case you're wondering why it's autowin btw, we have two Tracker clears by Day 3 plus, thanks to anti-bus^TM we know that Noodle and Tes have 0.00001% chance of being scum, meaning that the only slots left with any chance of being scum today are {Chronicle, Loopdan, Srceenplay, WhyMafia}. Even if we were to mislynch today, Town goes into Day 3 with 3 conf!towns and a scumpool of 2. So yes, autowin. But it's just WM so it doesn't really matter.

How do we know tracker wont die tonight?

I seriously doubt there was a no kill

Why?

Let's not over think this. Whymafia is the vote. No reason at all for it not to be.

I said this before, but town wouldn't say this

Possibilities here:
Since doc haven't claimed(guaranteed win, so

please claim if you are

), it's not nancy.
Also it's most likely a shot at BP, or a nokill as Chron mentioned. If it's a nokill from Chron, that would return nothing for Tracker (right?). Why in the world would scum not attempt to kill tracker. Anyone else being killed would suggest scum!nancy, but as long as doc doesn't claim, she's out of the question.

Maybe they thought there was a doc and Nancy was fake claiming


I know this is old stuff, but ehhhhh re-reading everything might help

[WhyMafia]

nancy tracked him, dimwit.

Err what? You mean BlackVoid?

[WhyMafia]

Here's the thing about the Pine/Drixx wagon: there was no counterwagon. I'd assume if Pine/Drixx's partner didn't want them to be lynched, they'd be co-ordinating in order to push a counterwagon. But the rest of the votes are just scattered around with no push for a viable counterwagon. I think it is unlikely that they'd just sit back and allow Drixx to be lynched. I'd expect either a bus or a push to save him. That's why I'm not as confident as nancy that we have this game wrapped up. But that could just be my cynicism and tendency to not crack open the champagne until the mod announces that we win because I'd hate to lose a game that we have a huge lead in. I don't think it's just my paranoia as Drixx basically allowed himself to be lynched which points to someone non-obvious being his partner. I'll re-read D1 again and post my thoughts on Pine's interactions with all six unconfirmed slots and I'd love to see everyone gamesolve as well. If you are a newbie and you are town, know that re-reading is important.

Agree with this.

[WhyMafia]

I mean I realize that optimal play here is to No Lynch but I want to go for glory.

How is that optimal play? We would most likely lose tracker tonight

[WhyMafia]

No Lynch is optimal when you're playing follow the Tracker, as long as the BP is alive.

How is that optimal? Sorry if that seems stupid :/

[WhyMafia]

I have a hard time following this. I'm looking at the alternative scenario: that you are scum with Drixx, and when you saw me and nancy consider lynching Chronicle, you saw an opportunity to save Drixx and "went through" Chronicle's ISO so you could justify a vote there. That world looks more likely than the explanations you are giving.

This makes sense imo

[WhyMafia]

BAHHH I had a feeling Nancy was a doc

Excellent game guys. Thanks for putting up with me! I've learned lots from this experience.

[WhyMafia]

compromise lynch on WhyMafia.

;-;

[WhyMafia]

Yeah each game I do shows me ways I can improve my town play. Also how I can improve my trolling play.

First you can have some reading because reading is nice!

viewtopic.php?p=9065879#p9065879 - mhsmith's inexperienced challenger (IC) post.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y:MastinMD - A bunch of articles that are really just worth reading in general. By Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=70951 - A guide to Vote Count Analysis (VCA) By Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71050 - Charisma in Mafia
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=71056 - The Importance of Transparency, Cooperation & Effort as Town
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15933 - Article about Tells by Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932 - Article about Playing Well by Mastina
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16540 - Another VCA Article by Mastina


One of the things that recently changed with sitemeta is, well, it's a fairly negative change. A lot of towns nowadays don't work together. They have these egos and they rather focus on being correct then actually work together and do actual teamplay. So trying to work with your fellow town, trying to see what reads you can bounce back and forth with them, pushing reads together, all of that stuff is important to working together with your town.

true :/
I've noticed that some people are so arrogant on this site :/ (Not you guys of course!)

[WhyMafia]

How come?(You may have been asked this before so my bad if I'm making you repeat yourself)

Am not fit for it emotionally. Playing Town is an extremely lonely experience and it affects my emotions hugely to be deceived and gaslit so for my mental health I cannot play.

Aww :/
It was a blast playing with you
Whenever you're up to it, come back

[WhyMafia]

How is this still here xD