DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Infinity 324]

Why can't town be suspicious of masons if they were very much so before the claim?

This is the more important question here.

I understand why shade casting on the Mason's could be an ok scum strategy even though I personally wouldn't do that as scum but I don't understand why it can't come from town.

[Commander Shepard]

Because Town wants masons and Town thinks through the entire process of how stupid it is to fake claim masons.

They have to 1) Have NEVER scumread each other 2) Been in clear cahoots on rereading enough to be believed but not enough to be killed and 3) optionally crumb.

[Commander Shepard]

And if you think I am not trusting but verifying you are sorely mistaken. Because if there is ever a HINT of them suggesting the other could be scum that is where scum lies but no townie in their right mind doubts it because A) it goes no where and B) without proof it is spam that drags the game on.

Someone please hammer scumclaim Titus already.

[Commander Shepard]

I'll be honest in saying that I have no idea how to read drealm. I've gotten townreads on him before only to walk them back later but I have yet to see his scumgame. There are no glaringly obvious differences thus far between this game and camn's revenge where we were both town.

Example Prism sets up Drealmerz as town D1.

Like fucking obvious. People aren't trying to fucking research or question the possibility they want others to do so. They would bring evidence to the table if it was a genuine doubt.

[drealmerz7]

I did throw shade at prism, ftr

something like "surprised they weren't NKed they could be scum", but that was just to continue to not telegraph our masonry too hard and to put a little distance because I'd been "buddying" them really hard and wanted to see if I could get some momentum in my/their direction (figured scum would pick up on it more than town) and push 1 of us and I could ID potential scum that way

the hard blatant buddying/hard TRing is the "crumbing" of our masonitetitis that has been existent all game, obviously

[Infinity 324]

Because Town wants masons and Town thinks through the entire process of how stupid it is to fake claim masons.

They have to 1) Have NEVER scumread each other 2) Been in clear cahoots on rereading enough to be believed but not enough to be killed and 3) optionally crumb.

I agree, but once again, people who disagree with you aren't necessarily scum.

[Commander Shepard]

.....Lynch infinity.

At some point you have to go Town just doesn't do things like attack masons without proof or not think about how stupid fake claiming mason is. I just can't see that being town.

And I can't see Town defending that either.

Titus / T&B / infinity

[Commander Shepard]

I have to go take the Tempest to the Citadel for repairs. Considering last time we had to dock my clone took it over who knows how long I will be AFK for.

[Infinity 324]

.....Lynch infinity.

At some point you have to go Town just doesn't do things like attack masons without proof or not think about how stupid fake claiming mason is. I just can't see that being town.

And I can't see Town defending that either.

Titus / T&B / infinity

No no no

People get confbiased. People get paranoid. Just because someone is illogical doesn't mean they're scum.

You're scumreading someone for disagreeing with you AND you're scumreading someone for saying disagreement =/= scum (which is true in 90% of cases).

Step back and look at yourself. Not everyone sees the game the same way you do.

[Almost Chara]

Why can't town be suspicious of masons if they were very much so before the claim?

This is the more important question here.

I understand why shade casting on the Mason's could be an ok scum strategy even though I personally wouldn't do that as scum but I don't understand why it can't come from town.

Both their play from early game was so obvious I had to ask explicitly if they were Masons. Prism did confirm that early too, but I missed it because I was talking to dreal at the time, so IIRC I feel stupid, but that is that and they are Masons. The flavour fits perfectly and no mod will provide MASONS as a fake claim. The dreal flavour claim made it specific as to what flavour Prism would have, so it makes it even more risky for scum to fake that because there was no guarantee William wasn't already in play elsewhere.

All in all, this simply can't be a fake claim. It's as legit as can be (and this coming from someone who had consistently scum read dreal earlier).

~A50

[Infinity 324]

Does your logic make sense to me? Yes. Is it so unshakeable that anyone is scum for even considering the fact that it's wrong? No, of course not.

[Wraith]

I don't know about anyone else but y'all have managed to thoroughly dispel any doubts that might have remained in me that this is a scum fakeclaim. And I think we've established that town players may not vote for drealmerz or Prism.

Is there anything else that really needs discussion? Can we finish this up already?

[drealmerz7]

I don't think anything needs discussed at this point

we just need someone to commit to the titus lynch

those not lynching titus at this point are supersuspect except for the 3 on t&b

I think we can determine that T&B is scum by the location of their vote and the lack of a vote on titus (a little too scared to be drawn in to suspicion by hammering for 'towncred', but, in doing so, has just made themselves more confscum, imo)

so, I'm trying to discern who the final scum could be based on who hammers and in what regard

it is odd that titus didn't self-hammer at this point too, but hey, what's the rush? read a book and wait for things to unfold

[Infinity 324]

Both Titus and Shep seemed to realise that Prism was the partner. There's no reason for scum-Titus to get it out explicitly, whereas town-Titus could have been thinking Prism or no one.

I agree.

So why is titus town again?

Because most of us are? Because you and Almost both went together from forcing Drealmerz to claim to campaigning for Titus to be lynched, never once considering that Dreamerlz could have been lying about being a Mason. Wheras town would generally put somebody at L- days-in Day Two with at least some thinking that their taret might be scum.

I'd look here. These are terrible excuses to avoid voting titus.

[Wraith]

I don't think anything needs discussed at this point

we just need someone to commit to the titus lynch

those not lynching titus at this point are supersuspect except for the 3 on t&b

I think we can determine that T&B is scum by the location of their vote and the lack of a vote on titus (a little too scared to be drawn in to suspicion by hammering for 'towncred', but, in doing so, has just made themselves more confscum, imo)

so, I'm trying to discern who the final scum could be based on who hammers and in what regard

it is odd that titus didn't self-hammer at this point too, but hey, what's the rush? read a book and wait for things to unfold

YOU aren't voting for Titus!

[drealmerz7]

"except for the 3 on T&B"

and I had actually mistaken who was where when I typed that

I thought AC was on T&B and empking was not-voting along with titus

so, yep, will just await prism's go-ahead (they'll likely just hammer after they check in)

you do realize that being antsy for the lynch is major-suspect, wraith? like...it's likely prism or I or you (if you're townBG) are the kill tonight (you said so yourself), so allowing prism to get in final thoughts and reads about everything is pretty crucial in case they're killed tonight, ya?

[Wraith]

"except for the 3 on T&B"

and I had actually mistaken who was where when I typed that

I thought AC was on T&B and empking was not-voting along with titus

so, yep, will just await prism's go-ahead (they'll likely just hammer after they check in)

you do realize that being antsy for the lynch is major-suspect, wraith? like...it's likely prism or I or you (if you're townBG) are the kill tonight (you said so yourself), so allowing prism to get in final thoughts and reads about everything is pretty crucial in case they're killed tonight, ya?

Oh Jesus Christ he still hasn't said his peace? Didn't he ask for extra time like two days ago?

IDC if it looks scummy, when a game idles on a certain lynch for days just to argue in circles about nothing of particular importance, it can destroy my interest in that game.

[drealmerz7]

GO

READ

A BOOK

and quit paying attention

and then be pleasantly surprised when the Day is over

[Empking]

Don't lynch Titus.

I'm King John - One-Shot Cop - following TWC's suspicions I investigated her slot last night. She's aligned with the monarchy.

[Infinity 324]

That's bullshit.

[Infinity 324]

Why didn't you claim earlier?

[Empking]

Why didn't you claim earlier?

Why would I have claimed earlier? I don't like having claimed now.

[Infinity 324]

I don't see the downside except maybe helping scum setup spec a little better.

Anyway: VOTE: empking since he has to be scum for titus to be scum.

The 1-shot part is super safe as well.

[Almost50]

Don't lynch Titus.

I'm King John - One-Shot Cop - following TWC's suspicions I investigated her slot last night. She's aligned with the monarchy.

THAT -in itself- is a scum claim. King John was a traitor to his own brother King Richard and tried to topple him off the throne during the Crusades. Furthermore, he upset most nobles and he finally dies during a civil war that had started because of his policies.

The bolded below is from wikipedia. King John is a villain.

Ralph Turner describes as "distasteful, even dangerous personality traits", such as pettiness, spitefulness and cruelty. These negative qualities provided extensive material for fiction writers in the Victorian era, and John remains a recurring character within Western popular culture, primarily as a villain in films and stories depicting the Robin Hood legends.

[drealmerz7]

infinity get yourself back on titus

if empking is lying we will find out with the titus lynch and just lynch empking tomorrow