DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Titus]

This is your fairy godmother, signing off.

May y'all have fun.

[drealmerz7]

well, you should be open to ANYthing being possible, assumption doesn't come in to it in my mind

I just hosted a mini-normal and the setup was:

JK
2-shot vig
BG
compulsive BG
5VTs

2-shot mafia RB
1-shot mafia strongman
goon

1-shot BP 1-shot strongman SK

[Commander Shepard]

Thread blew up worse than Sovereign. I will read it when I get home.

[Commander Shepard]

Okay don't kill me but I think we lynch Titus first and she is probably scum. And Empking's alignment is a coinflip.
(I know this seems weird but hear me out)

Here is why.
Titus is playing like she wants to be lynched.
Saying stuff like "good luck team" etc.
This means either A) She believes she is dead scum caught dead to rights or B) She is a vengeful or some lynch needed role or C) She has Town and gave up. A and B are most likely.

Now on Titus flip >> Titus scum Not Godmother >> Lynch Empking
Titus flip >> Titus scum Godmother >> Examine Empking's ISO for crumbs
Titus flip >> Titus town anything >> Something is very wrong with this game Empking off limits while we review the whole game.

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Conversely on Empking flip
If Empking is town we learn Titus town or GF and in that case reexamine all reads
If Empking scum Titus scum.

I think we play it safer and lynch Titus here. As scummy as Empking's claim is Titus is better.
I don't see scum making it unless they wanted to change the state here. And if Town Empking may have been hoping to save Titus.

Lynch Titus << TLDR

[Tea and Biscuits]

Hihi just read up.

2693 feels like a scum post. I don't really see why town would make a case on Titus there when the lynch was already decided. Reads like a grab for towncred.

I'm in favour of lynching Titus.

-- Postie

[Tea and Biscuits]

@Shepard

Also postie, why aren't you voting titus?

At least one scum is off the wagon I think.

Prism said they still wanted to do stuff so I wanted to give them that space.

-- Postie

Sure. I don't see the need for me to L-1 her for that though.

Titus, claim. Really no point in delaying it.

-- Postie

I think I made it pretty clear the only reason I wasn't voting Titus was to let Prism do their thing? And I've also said I'm happy to call the masons town. So quit tunneling me over a misrepresentation of the things I'm doing.

Because if there is ever a HINT of them suggesting the other could be scum that is where scum lies

Not really relevant to the game right now but I've done this as a mason (to try and make it less obvious we were masons) so please don't deathtunnel any masons you end up in a game with in future for something like this

-- Postie

[Aristophanes]

VC 2.11

Titus

(5): Commander Shepard 2405, Almost Chara 2406, Shaddowez 2693, Infinity 324 2789, Wraith 2794

Tea and Biscuits

(3): Prism 2143, Empking 2369, drealmerz7 2675

Prism

(1): Tea and Biscuits 1925

Not Voting

(1): Titus 2539

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Day two ends Friday, April 28th at 6:30pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-04-28 18:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Shaddowez is V/LA until April 24th
Prism is due for a prod.

[drealmerz7]

Titus flip >> Titus town anything >> Something is very wrong with this game Empking off limits while we review the whole game.

this is not right

shep keeps pinging me more and more

as it's already been covered that it could be empscum going for towncred on a towntitus flip, saying if titusflips townanything and empking is 'off limits' is really suspect to me

[Empking]

Titus flip >> Titus town anything >> Something is very wrong with this game Empking off limits while we review the whole game.

this is not right

shep keeps pinging me more and more

as it's already been covered that it could be empscum going for towncred on a towntitus flip, saying if titusflips townanything and empking is 'off limits' is really suspect to me

I think he just means no quicklynching me. After the review, then lynch me.

[drealmerz7]

well let them explain rather than speaking for them, eh?

also, meant to address ap oint with you emp, coming up...

[drealmerz7]

why the fuck do you not lking have to claim it now, empking?

no, you had said you didn't like having to make the claim "even now" when you made it

why didn't you like having tomake the claim? it makes no sense to me, if you've got 1 chance to clear someone, why the hesitance or dislike of it at all?

and why did you wait so long when, if titus is town like you claim to believe, scum could have potentially hammered at any point (or a townie for that matter, say prism came in and was liek 'yep kill titus time' and hammered and you hadn't outted your supposed result)

[Empking]

why the fuck do you not lking have to claim it now, empking?

no, you had said you didn't like having to make the claim "even now" when you made it

why didn't you like having tomake the claim? it makes no sense to me, if you've got 1 chance to clear someone, why the hesitance or dislike of it at all?

and why did you wait so long when, if titus is town like you claim to believe, scum could have potentially hammered at any point (or a townie for that matter, say prism came in and was liek 'yep kill titus time' and hammered and you hadn't outted your supposed result)

When you've played for almost 9 years, then you'll develop a distaste for unprompted claiming too is all I can say to that.

If scum 'lolhammered' then I'd be glad we caught scum. If town 'lolhammered' then I'd feel no guilt; you have to assume a modicum of competence from your teammates. "ay prism came in and was liek 'yep kill titus time' and hammered and you hadn't outted your supposed result" then I would have felt awful. However, that did not happen because I overcame my distaste and claimed before it did.

However, I don't see how you can possibly call my distaste unreasonable when it is obviouisly super-reasonablesince since by my unprompted claim I've allowed Infinity to line up two town lynches on the trot.

[drealmerz7]

it's not the distaste for early-claiming I find unreasonable necessarily, I'm just trying to understand it more fully

believe me, I don't need to play 9 years to develop a distaste for unprompted claims, I already have it, severely, I come from a different site where claims made before L-1 are severely frowned upon (as in, it's almost policy lynch territory - you just don't do it) - so I come at your claim from that background of being pretty vehemently opposed to ppl claiming willy-nilly

and I still feel your hesitance to claim, the delay in your claim, is somewhat fishy (ahahaha! *looksat your avatar*) - but I do understand the hesitance

what do you think of the possibility of titus being godfather (or as she said "godmother")

[drealmerz7]

I think I'm at the tentative conclusion that if titus flips godfather, I'm more apt to believe empking's claim (there is also a claimed mason)

however, it's quite a nice scum tactical gambit if the scumteam comprises of infinity/empking/titus with titus being godfather because, well, do I have to spell it out?

[Wraith]

FFS Empking is lying period

There is absolutely no reason for a One-Shot Cop to withhold a result. None. It won't matter if he's killed (and likely will be immediately to ensure he isn't lying about being One-Shot) and it gives Town protectives a target without forcing them to out themselves. Withholding it at all just increases the chance of you dying without relaying it at all.

[drealmerz7]

how is it possible he'd die if prism or myself are the necessary targets tonight?

[Wraith]

I was speaking in a vacuum not about this game in particular

[drealmerz7]

well that doesn't do this game any good (:

we're trying to solve this game

[drealmerz7]

like I said I think 1-shot cop with 2 masons makes for a really fucking strong town, but it COULD be true, depending on the setup, ESPECIALLY if we do have an actual miller and a godfather

it still speaks to a pretty damn heavy town (because there's no guarantee the cop hits any of those roles), but it makes it MORE likely to be possible, if those 2 roles are actually in the setup

[Infinity 324]

Oh right, me being a miller changes things

I think it's reasonable that there could be a miller and no cop though

[drealmerz7]

ohman, that is shady as fuck, infinity

"oh right!"

geezogeez

[Infinity 324]

-_-

[Wraith]

well that doesn't do this game any good (:

we're trying to solve this game

Jesus Christ

In a general situation where there aren't a variety of viable targets the scum would very likely kill a One-Shot Cop claim immediately to make sure he isn't lying about his number of shots.

In this particular game I think it's very, very unlikely Empking will be nightkilled. Mostly this is because I think he's scum, but it's also because otherwise if Empking actually is town the scum know it and might keep him as very tempting mislynch bait. In such a scenario Empking has already made himself look exceptionally scummy with his claim and he would arguably look even worse if he came back with another result later on. A fakeclaim about shots would be a sensible town move but Empking's initial claim was so scummy that he's poisoned his well with WIFOM - we can't possibly trust anything he has to say at this point.

[drealmerz7]

what if titus flips godfather?

[drealmerz7]

as in, as I already posed: would you find empking's claim more believable then? especially if you assume infinity's claim to be true?