Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Alisae]

Okay.
Yeah I feel a lot more solid about my Frog read.

You already said this like 250 posts ago

Yeah but your anger with TB here reminds me of your anger with Pine in Civ.

[Alisae]

I believe you Eddie.

I really do

So do I.

[Alisae]

who gets the vigi?

[Alisae]

who gets the vigi?

You grandson, you.

Alisae has recieved a 1-shot vigilante Night 1.

[Alisae]

THANKS FOR THE BEST BIRTHDAY PRESENT AN ALISAE COULD ASK FOR EVER!

[Alisae]

Wait.
Your birthday is on September 28?
I'm October 1st!

[Alisae]

Oh...
Well my Birthday is on October 1st. My Join Date is on October 31st. Funny how that works, huh?

[Alisae]

tbh I sorta agree with what jj is saying here. I don't see why scum defends tb here unless tb is fake claiming and has a really important role that the scumteam has to keep.

[Alisae]

Because that's bad for me

?

[Alisae]

i am a rose.

pedit: No, I'm town. I'm just wondering why that's bad for you. You make it sound specific.

[Alisae]

Frog. Maybe I can explain this a bit more. Remember when I was crumbing to you about things relating to chocolates.

Apparently I recongize you and I have no idea what that means.
pedit: that crumb also had to do with this.

[Alisae]

Ok so yeah.

I love you

This makes perfect sense.

[Alisae]

So you weren't understanding what I was refering to when I was crumbing about chocolates and stuff.

[Alisae]

#Alisaegetgoodatcrumbing

Fuck man, if only I could bond with you.

[Alisae]

I mean I can be neighborized, just not in the form of a bond. If a neighborizer were to neighborize me then I can be apart of that hood.

And no, it is litterally impossible for me to form a bond.

[Alisae]

Go to bed

[Alisae]

Told you thinkbig was town

You never said why

[Alisae]

GORK CONFSCUM PER MOD

VOTE: Gork

/me claps

[Alisae]

Frog I was genuinely confused to what was going on and why I got that. I'm sorry ;~;

[Alisae]

TRANS WHY IS THINKBIG TOWN?
ME NO UNDERSTAND.

[Alisae]

Spoiler: My posts about ThinkBig

This is the ultimate question: Does TB's tone seem fake?
Right now I'm really his tone as really fake. Like it does not come across as genuine. It seems manufactured by a robot.

Frog when I read TB, I look for what his tone is. Because whenever he's scum, you see it in his tone. Like, everything he says comes across as fake. In Cabd's game I saw some points where I recongized his town as towny because it felt genuine to me.

Ah. No worries Frog.

JJ...I litterally did that when I voted them...

pedit: Hmm Gork. That ISO contains NOTHING. The bits of emotion he did have seemed genuine though. TB cannot fake emotion, in fact I feel like he prevents himself from even showing any emotion at all in his scumgame, because when he does show emotion, he's worried it'll come out as fake.

THIS is what scum!TB looks like.
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70784
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=70832
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70964

pedit: I was scum with TB in White Flag.

You're saying it comes off as fake. What gives you that impression?

It was these 3 posts.

Hi all. Ego post for now.

Disclaimer: I am deaf. Because I am deaf, my partner cannot post in bonds. However, I will take the passive role in that bond (and have to if I understand my role PM correctly)

Holy crap nearly 30 pages already?!?

The first two seem tonally death. Like, manufactured like a machine. Forced. Like, if you try to read it for any feeling, it just, doesn't exist. And with 635, I feel like the emotion he DOES use here is really forced. It's like well A. He's never played a large B. It doesn't mix well with the rest of the post and C. Why is he commenting on it? I don't get why he feels the need to.

I've never usually seen TB make those comments (or I'm just straight up forgetting)

Fire u scums...you seem happy repellant

No you are the scums.

My faction is obviously dog

My faction is cat! Fire is obviously scum!

Frog, remember White Flag? Yeah, TB made similar posts like this here. Hold on, let me go get some.

Frog, remember White Flag? Yeah, TB made similar posts like this here. Hold on, let me go get some.

Here you go:
get ya some hater

what happens when titus flips town

do i still get lynched

Yes

Dammit you robbed me of my page bottom!

Damnit you robbed me of my page top! Policy lynch!!

Also Frog, another one from the game I modded.

ThinkBig do you wish to be power town with me this game?

Select all that apply

[X] Yes
[] No
[] Maybe
[] Applesauce

Absolutely! Let's power lynch some scum fucks!

But seriously. L3 already. Wtf am I even doing wrong?

Scum caught for the wrong reasons.

[Alisae]

Trans I can read ThinkBig pretty well. He's scum here.

I could case him if you would like?

[Alisae]

Spoiler: GUYS THINKBIG IS SCUM LYNCH HIM!

Hi all. Ego post for now.

Disclaimer: I am deaf. Because I am deaf, my partner cannot post in bonds. However, I will take the passive role in that bond (and have to if I understand my role PM correctly)

Holy crap nearly 30 pages already?!?

I will be at work for 3 more hours. I'll hopefully be posting some tonight. Due to my negative utilities, I was thinking about claiming ok full. However, I still have a few questions about my role.

Flavor Name: Beethoven
Role: I am a Modified Bond Passively Bonded Self-Enabling Disabled Night-Talk Enabler.

Essentially if I understand everything correctly, when I am passive in a bond, I can compose a piece of music and the following night I will enable night chat for the game.

thoughts on ali's thoughts on you would be a good start

Alisae votes me/tunnels me in almost every game we play regardless of our respective alignment. I find t interesting that he claims he can read me easily when our history shows otherwise.

Examples:
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=70107
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69704

TRs right now: Frog, Alisae, Gork, jjh927

TRs right now: Frog, Alisae, Gork, jjh927

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Based on my interactions with them right now. Granted I'm still nowhere near done reading the thread.

Holy crap nearly 30 pages already?!?

I will be at work for 3 more hours. I'll hopefully be posting some tonight. Due to my negative utilities, I was thinking about claiming ok full. However, I still have a few questions about my role.

Flavor Name: Beethoven
Role: I am a Modified Bond Passively Bonded Self-Enabling Disabled Night-Talk Enabler.

Essentially if I understand everything correctly, when I am passive in a bond, I can compose a piece of music and the following night I will enable night chat for the game.

Why claim?

I claimed because I already outed the negative utility. I felt it was best to claim in its entirety, especially when I can possibly enable night chat

tuberculosis = TB = ThinkBig

Lol. The biologist/med student in me reads TB as tuberculosis every damn time.

@Gork, I'll admit that I mistakingly gave the wrong stats with me and Alisae and fully redact the issue. More coming when I'm not phone posting

VOTE: fro99er

Obligatory OMGUS

Fire u scums...you seem happy repellant

No you are the scums.

My faction is obviously dog

My faction is cat! Fire is obviously scum!

Would you like fries with that?

But seriously. L3 already. Wtf am I even doing wrong?

I town read Fro99er firstly because scum usually don't push people for town reading them.

I might replace out.

Post #353 would be on page number 15. I highly doubt it is a hydrae thread.

144 - Tonedeath. Tone here is non-existance. TB as scum when you read his posts, they just all read fake and as if there is no life in them. Even though this is an egopost, I can say that safely about this post.

THE BEST WAY TO READ THINKBIG IS BY READING HIS TONE

150 - Claiming negative utility. This was posted around 3am. Note this.
635 - There are a few problems with this post. First, the freak out over 30 pages is just straight up faked. It feels as if he NEEDED to put emotion here. And as for teh second bit, this was written at 2pm. And here we have a claim. If he was okay with claiming full out, why didn't he just do it in his first post? Either way, he had plenty of time to attempt to refine his claim if it is fake.
636 - (forgot this in the quote wall) Throwing shade for no reason. Also incorrect, as there could be multiple reasons why I can't form a bond with someone.
714 - BLATANT MISREPRESENTATION OF META. Not to mention this is his attempt to try to play the victim. "OH NO, ALISAE IS TUNNELING ME AGAIN D: PLEASE SEND HELP." But this is also misrepresenting the usage of meta due to him providing links to games where I first played TB. Of course I wouldn't be able to read TB correctly back then, I was first adaopting to how he plays.
717 - Important post where he TRs people. We'll get back to this.
721 - Really shit justification for a read. Let's also note when asked, he doesn't state what he liked about the interactions.
776 - This doesn't make any sense when he only claimed to be deaf origonally.
823 - Pulling out of an arguement he can't win after me pulling out multiple games showing where I was able to read him and proving that out of my most recent games, I was able to read him correctly.
827 - Joke vote but even the tone here sounds fake, fabricated, and lifeless.
859 - Jokes and shitposting but TB has made multiple posts in multiple scumgames (see 882 and 885) where it just sounds fake here.
893 - Trying to shitpost and look cool.
925 - OH THIS IS SCUM CAUGHT FOR THE WRONG REASONS. "What am I doing wrong?" lol.
962 - Remember those "Important TRs" in 717. When pressed to talk about the interactions, he refers to something that happened,

after

those interactions.
1034 - Frog mentioned Eddie making a "slip" and TB immediately starts pushing it. While, I'd think TB would push it a bit harder, point is they're still trying to adopt their reads to what's hot in the room.

[Alisae]

Also ThinkBig here is just like "Grrrrrr, I don't know what to do."
Like, he hasn't actually pushed any real reads yet. Like, the really, only closest thing TB has done that is remotely similar to a push is 1034

[Alisae]

catching up
zzz

[Alisae]

plus his iso is town as fuck what the fuck are you guys missing i don't even understand

Explain how the hell that ISO is "Town as fuck."

[Alisae]

i don't think he outed all that information about his role just for towncred though

This isn't about the role. This is about his tone. And you aren't addressing these concerns at all.

[Alisae]

Titus, why are you so insistent on this bullshit mishmash of coasting and playing the game?

Why is it AI because I see her doing it as both alignments. Why is scum!Titus going to blatantly act like that. What does she gain from doing that?

Like, there is something else Titus is doing that is concerning me right now, but he need to be ThinkingBigger right now if you catch my drift.

[Alisae]

You're basically using your desire to coast as an excuse not to give legitimate reads. That does not fly. You are not allowed to pretend you're hot shit and that you can vaguely allude to posts that anyone could totally find scummy behaviour in. People haven't been reaching the same conclusions as you with that so make a case.

Yeah, this line screams frustration to me. Though I will say the point is kinda weak.

What are your thoughts on Titus' latest posting.

[Alisae]

@Trans

- Can you address my concerns relating to ThinkBig if you're going to wk him atleast?

@shiqf

- What are your current reads atm. Like, who's your biggest townread and why? Who's your biggest scumread and why?

[Alisae]

Ali where are your scumreads at rn besides TB?

shiqf. I'm kinda staying quiet about it so I hope you don't mind.

[Alisae]

jj this is for you btw.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 27s_Gambit

oh no, it's not her usual gameplay, what ever will I do.
No, I'm saying it screams frustration to discredit you, I'm saying it screams frustration but I don't know if it's coming from town or scum and I'm trying to figure that out currently.

[Alisae]

lmao gork.

[Alisae]

also
why THE FUCK is there another page already

It's a pretty hype game if you ask me. It's also a large.

[Alisae]

Frog you're doing it wrong.
Here's how you're supposed to do it.

also
why the FUCK has no one posted yet

[Alisae]

THAT'S NOT A GIF

[Alisae]

okay going to school bye now

[Alisae]

1447
Can't scum tunnel too? What's the difference here?

[Alisae]

1452
what reads do you have in mind for pushing?

[Alisae]

Oh you mentioned random.
Okay yeah, I think random is town.
So I sadly don't agree with you there ;~;

[Alisae]

Then hunt him instead of talking about it if you aren't sure.

[Alisae]

Also NY199.
Tunnel Titus at it's core.

[Alisae]

Hey Titus.
I do have a question though.
Why did you expect a Slayer's Gambit to work with this playerlist?

[Alisae]

nah dude.
He'll get back to you.
Pinky Promise.

[Alisae]

Shit ;~; zzzzzzzz


I turned up the

Volume on my music while I was listening to some sweet as fuck Daft Punk and
I made it really high so that it caught my teacher's attention. And now that I
Got my teacher's attention, she found me on mafiascum dot net.

Things aren't looking good for poor ol Alisae ;~;

[Alisae]

BUT TITUS!
Low Hanging Fruit tastes good. I like apples specifically. What are your favorite fruits?

[Alisae]

Bella, I'm more confused with why she would attempt that with this playerlist and why she thought that could work.

Bella, what do you think of my TB case?

pedit: Dunnstral is best fruit. Nomnomnom.

[Alisae]

Titus what do you think of Eddie?

[Alisae]

jj, what do you think of my TB case?

[Alisae]

Can you give me a reason why TB is lynchbait and not scum here other than his claim.

[Alisae]

Yeah Frog I wish I could bond with you too ;~;
Can someone neighborize me and frog?
We would love you forever <3

[Alisae]

Why is that Fire?

[Alisae]

I forgot about it. I was sheeping town!Grey. I believe I had other reads though?
Like anti, I don't remember that gmae as much. I mostly focused on completed games that I finished and didn't replace out.
Yeah. I guess I had a wrong mark there. His earlygame tone sounded really fake and scummy there. Except there are some points where looking back at TB's ISO there he came across as genuine, his firsts few posts in that game sounded really fake.

[Alisae]

Plus, my only real memory of that game is LUV's toxicity.

[Alisae]

I'm okay, I'm at school and stuff and it's almost the weekend and I'm excited for that.

[Alisae]

Fire I don't get why you scumread me? ;~;

[Alisae]

Like, you caught me White Flag (except you couldn't get me lynched ;~;), you should know that my game here isn't anything like it was back there.

[Alisae]

Yeah shiqf, can you explain Dunn, Aelita, and Heartless to me?
Also explain Fire to me.
And I do not understand your Frog read at all.

[Alisae]

I just noticed you have a townlean on TB.
why?

[Alisae]

If we can't decide on a lynch we can just lynch McMenno.

[Alisae]

OH MY GOD I JUST NOTICED A TREND IN MCMENNO'S POST BUT I HAVE NO IDEA IF IT MEANS ANYTHING

[Alisae]

Alright, let me explain this.
McMenno is referring to TD, PV, Postie/momo, myself and Kyouko (we were on the No Bullying Allowed Hydra).
Why those specific people? Well, he recently finished RC's Elemental Trinity.
The scumteam in RC's Elemental Trinity was TD, PV/Wisdom, Postie/momo, and My and Kyouko in the No Bullying Allowed Hydra.
AKA he's quoting things scum said.

Does this mean anything? I have no idea.

[Alisae]

#Conspiracy

pedit: lmao

[Alisae]

As I said, if we can't decide on a lynch, we can always just lynch McMenno.
Pine was doing the same faking a post restriction shit D1 in Fat Boy Mafia and he got vig'd by yours truely, me.

[Alisae]

Eddie did ywall get Frog's question btw?

[Alisae]

YAAAAY PROMOTION!
You have still yet to explain your read on me. Can you do that?

[Alisae]

I think Frog was referring to his 1429

[Alisae]

Thats my towntell for TB!

[Alisae]

I have literally never seen him make a wall post filled with ACTUAL content.

[Alisae]

Fire can you talk to me about why I'm wrong instead?

[Alisae]

Fiiire, can you explain some mores zzz

[Alisae]

Hey giga.
I townread you.
I dunno how to read dunn ;~;
This is the last time I played with scum!dunn
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=71362
he was scum. Me and Frog TR'd him D1. Frog lynched him for me D2.

[Alisae]

God I hardly remember the hydra blitz to be honest.

[Alisae]

Vecna!
/me hugs
too bad you're a scumbutt ;~;

[Alisae]

Wait.
The TB slot stayed in.
But it never re-requested replacement in thread...

[Alisae]

Nope. His last post was saying he retracted and then another post complaining about him being bad.

[Alisae]

Go look at the end of his ISO

[Alisae]

I'm leaving school soon, but when I'm back home yeah, I'll bounce my thoughts to you about jj back and forth with yeah. It'll be great and we can have fun.

[Alisae]

OH MY GOD DUNN ITS NOT LIKE THAT.

[Alisae]

Also, I have finished reading page 2, and Alisae is most definately scum.

VOTE: Alisae

I have not done ANYTHING AI in those 2 pages.
This is complete bullshit. Your wording here implies that your scumread is super fucking heavy considering it's been 2 pages.
Can we lynch this?

[Alisae]

we shall discuss that in our pt later.

lamist

lamist

lamist

[Alisae]

How the fuck does that even look anything remotely like shitposting?

[Alisae]

Plus, he placed a vote before he fully caught up.
Doesn't that catch anyone's eye?

[Alisae]

ik right gork im sry
im just an impatient
person
;~;

[Alisae]

giga!

[Alisae]

i also am not impressed by anything this replacement has done.

It's okay, I think you impress both me and frog <3
that's what matters.

[Alisae]

ik right gork im sry
im just an impatient
person
;~;

This reaction and the preceding posts arer really strange

Have you ever thought about saying why?

[Alisae]

I can drink water.
Does that count?

[Alisae]

Then I'll join a drinking game!

[Alisae]

Alright.

[Alisae]

yeah I did the drink.

[Alisae]

Ok five more...

Transcend is scum
Aelita is scum
Vecna is scum
Bella is town
Gork is town

No Drink. I'm just unsure with them atm.
I took a Sip.
Drink.
Drink.
Drink.

3 and like, 1/4th of a drink.

[Alisae]

Ok now for the meaty stuff

Eddiebyte is null
JJ is town
Dunn is town
Titis is null
shiqf is null

No Drink.
Drink.
No Drink.
No Drink.
Drink.

[Alisae]

Dunn is null. Like, as I talked with giga, I just have a lot of trouble reading that slot.

Here's my problem with Titus. Before she announced that she was loved and doing a slayer's gambit, she just seemed really appeasy. But let's talk about the actual announcement of her doing a Slayer's Gambit. I don't get why she chose to do that. I mean, trying to make something out of the loved, okay fine. But the reasoning behind it just seems really weak. Honestly, I'd expect Titus to have a good reason for doing that kind of thing, but I really don't think that was a good reason, and I hate the way she went about it.

[Alisae]

Last set

Frog is town
Fire is town
Heartless is town
McMenno is town
Randomidget is town

Drink.
Drink.
No Drink.
Drink.
Drink.

Also -- I drank for one of my own in each of my sets of five

You didn't think i was going to make a drinking game where I didn't drink, did you?

lmaaao

[Alisae]

Wait no. No drink for McMenno.
Fuck I took an extra drink.

[Alisae]

i swr to drnk im nt god

[Alisae]

Ali do you agree it's highly unlikely, nearly impossible, Dunn and Aelita are both scum?

Yes

[Alisae]

Aelita wanting to bond with people is typical for them (they DID strongarm me to get mausoleum in Civ but regardless I might have gone for that anyways)

BTW, This is important.
This is how this exchange happened.
>Aelita points out daytalk.
>Dunnstral Naked Votes.
>Aelita attatches reasoning to Dunn's vote.
>Aelita justifies her OMGUS vote
>Dunn justifies his vote.

[Alisae]

Actually Frog, the one thing that makes me think this

could

be SvS is the fact that this was dropped immediately after the eddie wagon became a thing. No one ever really brought it back up till now.

btw, why do you townread Heartless and McMenno?

[Alisae]

Ali is tired and me no understand?

[Alisae]

The only time I remember playing with scum!McMenno is Code:Geass and I hardly remember that game.

Describe scum!McMenno to me? What was he like in Laundry. I never actually read that game believe it or not.

[Alisae]

Okay, here is my concern is Heartless.
If TB slot were to flip scum here, then here is the thing that concerns me.
Anti doesn't really add to anything about TB, he votes and starts adding a few factors as to why TB could be town. If anything, this was their main focus. They vote Trans later, but after this they start pushing TB a lot harder afterwards. 1535 is a post that happened btw. And that just seems so fucking strange and awkward considering A. They're pushing TB with me and B. I get the subtle feeling they're trying to discredit my meta reading skills there.

[Alisae]

In Laundry scum!McMenno pretended to be serious while not actually doing anything and bussed every single one of his buddies, yet inexplicably won because town sucks.

Do you think McMenno would take this approach again as scum? Also this seems kinda baseless since we don't really have scumflips at the moment.

[Alisae]

I'm not saying it can't. Just come's across that way to me. I honestly have no idea if that read changed or not. If they were reconsidering with new info, then that's fine, honestly wasn't thinking that angle mostly becuase I wasn't really seeing any other evidence or reconsideration besides that post.

[Alisae]

In Laundry scum!McMenno pretended to be serious while not actually doing anything and bussed every single one of his buddies, yet inexplicably won because town sucks.

Do you think McMenno would take this approach again as scum? Also this seems kinda baseless since we don't really have scumflips at the moment.

No, I'm not saying he will do this again, and the bus part is less relevant than the first part, which you ignored.

He actually tried to be serious there yet he still did nothing. He's not pretend Not to be serious here, except in a couple posts where he is serious he ACTUALLY makes a good point.

I noticed it, just didn't press it.

But says my my read is baseless is a nice discredit

And I even said it's a light townread. Nothing major

;~; Yeah fine. I'm sorry frog ;~;

And even if it was my main point, you KNOW my game is somewhat built around preflip things

HOLY SHIT FROG I'M TIRED.

[Alisae]

Like, I'ma take a mental note of that.
Now that I think about it, I don't really remember McMemmo bussing as much in Code:Geass, but Code:Geass is kinda vague in my mind atm.

[Alisae]

Go to bed.

Loves loves <3

I can't yet. I still has homeworks to do ;~;

[Alisae]

Us kiddies all do schoolwork online nowadays.
I litterally can just alt tab and switch back to MS

pedit: The way that interaction between you and Aelita early does not scream SvS live. I just don't feel like scum would engage in theatre like that that early on. Like, not to mention I feel like that interaction would have just went differently if you two were both scum.

[Alisae]

MEFIA DETECTED.

[Alisae]

Like, not to mention I feel like that interaction would have just went differently if you two were both scum.

Did you read the scum chat from last game?

I'll refresh myself of what that looked like in a bit.

[Alisae]

Like, not to mention I feel like that interaction would have just went differently if you two were both scum.

Did you read the scum chat from last game?

I'll refresh myself of what that looked like in a bit.

Nah you don't have to

I just wanted to know if you had or not.

I did when I first looked at it but memory fails me now.

[Alisae]

LMAO FROG I JUST REMINDED MYSELF OF THE SCUM PT FOR THAT GAME AND I FOUND THIS:

Okay, but do we still pretend you neighborized me or not?

Yeah we can

Also, do you plan to bus me? Cos every partner of mine bussed me at some point or another lol

I won't bus you

[Alisae]

I just woke up so I'm catching up.

[Alisae]

And that just seems so fucking strange and awkward considering A. They're pushing TB with me and B. I get the subtle feeling they're trying to discredit my meta reading skills there.

uhhh... fucking what?

i said after i saw that game that tb was scummy as shit and i am now NOT "pushing tb with you"

and i am NOT discrediting i now have this data point that goes against your whole argument that you can tonally read tb without fail

what's "strange and awkward" is that YOU are sticking to your guns instead of reconsidering

Yeah, I'm sticking to my guns here. ;~;
Why weren't you voting the slot?

I'm not saying it can't. Just come's across that way to me. I honestly have no idea if that read changed or not. If they were reconsidering with new info, then that's fine, honestly wasn't thinking that angle mostly becuase I wasn't really seeing any other evidence or reconsideration besides that post.

what does that even mean?

what kind of "reconsideration" did you expect to see past that point given that was one of my most recent posts?

Frog mentioned it and I thought maybe that's what was going on?

[Alisae]

I forgot about it.

I was sheeping town!Grey

. I believe I had other reads though?

i feel like youre underplaying how confident you sounded in that game about your thinkbig read :/
you were telling people to sheep you on it

Gork the only thing I remember from that game is the reason why I replaced out.

[Alisae]

Im starting to get the feeling theres 1 scum in Frog/Alisae. Hi Alisae, how is this making you feel?

Me and Frog are like best buds dude. If anything, it tells me that you don't understand how well we work together.

[Alisae]

It does? It doesnt really strike as similair to me at all. Strange thing to say. Meh, maybe its truthfull, but it still strikes me as odd.

Yo, why do you feel the need to posture here?

[Alisae]

Im starting to get the feeling theres 1 scum in Frog/Alisae. Hi Alisae, how is this making you feel?

Me and Frog are like best buds dude. If anything, it tells me that you don't understand how well we work together.

How come this didnt really shine through in civ day1 where you were both town?

It did? Fuck man, D1 of Civ was such a clusterfuck. Atleast from what I see it did. What did you see when it comes to me and Frog D1 of Civ?

[Alisae]

Oh yeah btw TTH I saw your post and it made me happy and feel better about ywall.
What's your current read on me?

[Alisae]

It does? It doesnt really strike as similair to me at all. Strange thing to say. Meh, maybe its truthfull, but it still strikes me as odd.

Yo, why do you feel the need to posture here?

Its not posturing, its how I feel. Also youre wrong about my slot and the conclusion you drew about TB. I think you could be wrong about frog as well, but im not anywhere near certain yet.

Remember Code Geass? Im going to adress you in the very same way again. Youre once again having the wrong read on my slot, and youre going to have to get over it. Youre wasting your time.

It could be this. But maybe it's this. But it still strikes me as odd. Who knows?!?!?!?!

The definition of posturing.

[Alisae]

okay vecna. you said you agree with thinkbig claiming there, correct? why do you think claiming there made any sense?

Because the utility in this role is being pretty much town-confirmed in a role madness setup Giga. The nightchat is a nice gimmick, but its not really earth-shattering. The good part of the role is that it could -never- be a scum power in role madness. Anyone with a grain of common sense that can setup spec should see this instantly. Scum need potent abilities to circumnavigate the minefield of town abilities, not -this- role that I have.

Scum will either have to waste a nightkill on me, a nightkill they cannot then use to hit/hunt a powerfull PR, or theyll have to deal with me as near town-clear. And I intend to make the price of not NK'ing me high.

Besides, Ludwig von Beethoven as scum? Go listen to some moonlight sonata and calm your troubled mind.

Three things. A. Why can't it be a scum role?
B. setup spec doesn't work D1 unless massclaim because lol why?
C. The last bit is kinda a fallacy since alignments were RNG'd.

Vecna, I WILL work with you, can you just show me that you're doing town things if you're town.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Vecna

Because scum role can have town utility and still be scum role and flavor is not indicative of alignment either. Go read SU2 mafia for details on how scum role can have town flavor and town utility and still be a scum role.

So basicly, you're voting Vecna because A. They're argueing that their role has town utility and B. They're argueing that their flavor makes them town.

A I understand, but as for B, isn't this ultimately NAI? What makes it scum indicative here instead of town indicative.

[Alisae]

Most likely town:
Gorkington, Transcend

Probably town, but not quite as certain:
Eddiebyte, Frogger, Alisae

Null, lurking or too much shitposting
Dunnstral, McMenno, RandomMidget, Shiqf, Aelita, Bella

Potential scum:
Heartless, JJ, Firebringer

You interest me. Can you talk to me about your reads on Trans and Heartless?
Also, didn't you say you thought there was 1 scum in me/frog. If so, what changed?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Vecna

Because scum role can have town utility and still be scum role and flavor is not indicative of alignment either. Go read SU2 mafia for details on how scum role can have town flavor and town utility and still be a scum role.

So basicly, you're voting Vecna because A. They're argueing that their role has town utility and B. They're argueing that their flavor makes them town.

A I understand, but as for B, isn't this ultimately NAI? What makes it scum indicative here instead of town indicative.

Read SU2 mafia is all I'll say.

Why can't you just explain it to me instead of giving me busy work ;~;

[Alisae]

@Nebby Basically, if they have a good fakeclaim, scum can appear to have a strong town utility, but it doesn't make them any less scum.

DGB: "Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity."

What are your thoughts on the rest of Vecna's AND TB's play? I'm more interested in this then why you think the claim is fake.

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

hmm...
Last time RC did a uPick, it was for In Memory. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69441 Look in the OP since it has the setup details. RC gave their strongman in that game a delayed entry.
I'm thinking of giving you a chance to do things here.

[Alisae]

Yeah I think Vecna is town.

Oh yeah right!

The way jj approached Titus and pushed them makes me think that jj is probably town.

[Alisae]

Yeah I think Vecna is town.

Oh yeah right!

The way jj approached Titus and pushed them makes me think that jj is probably town.

You're getting hoodwinked here. Vecna hasn't sorted anyone and thrown mud at obvtown. Vecna being more charismatic doesn't change your tb tells.

JJ has gone after low hanging fruit the entire game. He immediately TRed me once he saw I wasn't an easy mislynch.

You're right it doesn't. But I'm open to being wrong and re-evaluating here, so I'm trying to give myself that chance.

JJ, can you give me a readlist and try to explain your reads and stuff?

pedit: Aelita dear it's a uPick. Alignments were randomized, so flavor isn't indactive. You also didn't answer my question, can you do that? You're making me feel very uncomfortable atm.

[Alisae]

You can go at this ace attorney style if you want.

This is funny because Titus actually is a lawyer

[Alisae]

Well, that's mostly based on role stuff. If you want non-role stuff, try again later, cos Navy has left the building.

Yeah, I want more then non-role related stuff. I'll wait

[Alisae]

Fine.
Though I would like a short version if that would be possible.

[Alisae]

jj. Titus is being somewhat reasonable here. She's asking you to scumhunt and try to find scum instead of just going for easier options.

[Alisae]

The way jj approached Titus and pushed them makes me think that jj is probably town.

Can you be more specific? I thought it got a bit superficial and the way he's acting like scum wouldn't tunnel is kind of dumb especially considering this is titus we're talking about

gigs I keep on forgetting your stuff ;~;

There were points where I can say "This is jj being frustrated, and it's probably town frustration over scum frustration" because I think jj just didn't like how Titus was approaching the game here.
Also remember when you or eddie (don't remember which) talked about the votes on your wagon. Yeah, jj's sarcasm because you tried to push him there screamed town to me.

[Alisae]

you two seem like you're having fun hydraing.

[Alisae]

Fine.
Though I would like a short version if that would be possible.

[Alisae]

Why weren't you voting the slot?

Anti

was

voting the slot. He moved to Transcend in the subsequent conversation.

How do you feel about Vecna's recent posts?

[Alisae]

Why weren't you voting the slot?

Anti

was

voting the slot. He moved to Transcend in the subsequent conversation.

How do you feel about Vecna's recent posts?

I'm not impressed so far.

Well let's talk because atm I feel worried. Like, Aelita's push just gives me bad vibes, and I don't think that Aelita would be bussing here if that slot was scum. Also there was a point where Titus was pushing Vecna but Vecna just didn't respond to her push at all and mostly focused on catching up. It sorta makes me feel like that slot might be town?

@jj

- Can you explain to me your Gork read when you get a chance?
I'm not saying I disagree, I just want to know why you are currently townreading him.

[Alisae]

@jj - Can you explain to me your Gork read when you get a chance?
I'm not saying I disagree, I just want to know why you are currently townreading him.

[Alisae]

PEdit: Gork read happened early and stayed. On reflection it might go up for reconsideration at some point. It was tone based iirc.

What about his tone did you like?

[Alisae]

Why do you feel the need to review it?

[Alisae]

jj change your avi. I got a real good one for ya. Hold on, let me find it.

[Alisae]

FOUND IT

[Alisae]

Yeah I think Vecna is town.

Wait what, why?

I'm not getting that at all.

Well let's talk because atm I feel worried. Like, Aelita's push just gives me bad vibes, and I don't think that Aelita would be bussing here if that slot was scum. Also there was a point where Titus was pushing Vecna but Vecna just didn't respond to her push at all and mostly focused on catching up. It sorta makes me feel like that slot might be town?

[Alisae]

They're suddenly pushing the claim not the slots play over all.

[Alisae]

yeah me too. I want an answer to my question to see if she adds anything new or not.

Frog talk to me about Vecna's play overall?

[Alisae]

lead is a cool birthday present.

[Alisae]

rekt

[Alisae]

jo guys ji sleepy

[Alisae]

gnite

[Alisae]

catching up

[Alisae]

@Nebby Explain how their role can't be a scum role with town flavor and some town utility. Explain how they is towny other than their role things. Then I'll answer your question. It seems to me you are trying to townclear them based purely on their role, and I'm not gonna let that slide, not after SU2 happened.

You're not getting my point. I'm not focusing on the role, or how it's towny, or how it's scummy period. I'm focusing on the slot's play. And I want you to talk to me about what's scummy about their slots play that doesn't involve their role.

[Alisae]

every time i go to vote aelita i have to stop myself because they're ust too amusing

obviously slot doesn't live to lylo tho

And why not? Because I question clearing someone based on a role due to being burned for doing the very same thing in one of the previous games? Because I learned from that mistake, unlike randomidget here? Yeah, such a reasonable thought process. I swear that everyone should follow this beacon of logic.

IM
NOT
FUCKING
TOWNREADING
THE
CLAIM

QFT

[Alisae]

Either way I feel better about Aelita being town.

[Alisae]

I saw!
Anything you want to add about TB's play?
What makes you think Vecna's reads are contrived instead of genuinely formed?

Also, what are your current reads?

[Alisae]

Most likely town:
Gorkington, Transcend

Probably town, but not quite as certain:
Eddiebyte, Frogger, Alisae

Null, lurking or too much shitposting
Dunnstral, McMenno, RandomMidget, Shiqf, Aelita, Bella

Potential scum:
Heartless, JJ, Firebringer

I think these are what she's refering to?

[Alisae]

@MOD VC

Either way, let's not vote Dunn until Dunn shows up.

[Alisae]

God dammit giga.

[Alisae]

lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao.
Yeah Aelita is town.
I just never seen this kind of attitude or frustration from their scumgame. They're more reserved last time I checked.

[Alisae]

McMenno why are you signing your posts with names of the scumteam of Elemental Trinity and why haven't you signed off as Wisdom yet?

[Alisae]

I saw!
Anything you want to add about TB's play?
What makes you think Vecna's reads are contrived instead of genuinely formed?

Also, what are your current reads?

Aelita did you ever respond do this?

[Alisae]

McMenno why are you signing your posts with names of the scumteam of Elemental Trinity and why haven't you signed off as Wisdom yet?

Wisdom isn't in the game, silly Alisae! Wait...

~Akarin

Yeah he was, he replaced PV.

[Alisae]

My long lost love, allow me to support you in your quest!
VOTE: Vecna

[Alisae]

I actually want a VC...

@RC VC please

[Alisae]

STAWP BULLYING ME ;~;
/me cri

[Alisae]

STAWP BULLYING ME ;~;
/me cri

Me hug

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
/me hugs

[Alisae]

I'm okay with it's lynch.
I just want a VC before I vote it.

[Alisae]

I'll lynch anything that's in
{Vecna, Dunn, shqif, McMenno}

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

If someone just so happens to be a neighborizer that can neighborize the both of us that would be great!

[Alisae]

Vecna go read my ISO in this game starting here and then come back and tell me that me getting pissed for bullshit scumreads is weird for me: viewtopic.php?p=9090106#p9090106

In hindsight, they were formulated by scum.

But yes, they were idiotic.

[Alisae]

ikr

also it's funny because you just pointed out they weren't pushing their reads XD

[Alisae]

I am a productive member of society to this town!

[Alisae]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

[Alisae]

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Okay......This is bullshit.

I feel his flip would be helpful independent of alignment

Describe how his flip would be helpful to you?

Did i hammer

VOTE: Dunn

Since all the cool kids are doing it

Did i hammer

I don't even know the VC

This guy I swear.
He's most likely scum.

[Alisae]

giga. There are certain points where Trans hammers and it screams scum.
There are certain points where Trans hammers and it's towny.

This is a point where it's scummy for him.

[Alisae]

But night chat is useless and this slot is too controversial

VOTE: Vecna

Okay......This is bullshit.

I feel his flip would be helpful independent of alignment

Describe how his flip would be helpful to you?

Did i hammer

VOTE: Dunn

Since all the cool kids are doing it

Did i hammer

I don't even know the VC

This guy I swear.
He's most likely scum.

THATS BECAUSE HE'S DUNN'S BUDDY

I am a productive member of society to this town!

[Alisae]

oh hi eddie.

My experience with scum!Trans hammers is...well...let's take HoH for example. In HoH he hammered Pep in the most obvscummy way possible. He was scum there.
Town!Trans for example, with Pine he was like "Welp, I guess I have to hammer this."

He's just scum here. Town!Trans would just be like "whatever *votes Vecna* This shit is town anyways"

[Alisae]

Like, he actually made up bullshit to try to "Hammer" Vecna to end the day. He's scum here.

[Alisae]

independant.

pedit: ugh, my memory is off. ;~; Hold on, I'ma go re-look at White Flag again.

[Alisae]

Okay yeah you're right.

[Alisae]

Yeah, I think that's a scumhammer from trans. I'm trying to think back to more examples of times I saw Trans hammer like that.

iow is "In Other Words"

[Alisae]

Trans I think your scum.

[Alisae]

Eddie. Let's play a game.

VOTE: pep

Sorry for all those wanting the day to break a record, but i Judy want it over.

Is this a scum!hammer from trans or a town!hammer from Trans?

[Alisae]

Ali remember that time Dunn voted me but didn't actually push me?

No case.

Just gut.

I keep on telling you, I want a VC but RC ISN'T POSTING ONE -_-

[Alisae]

Ali remember that time Dunn voted me but didn't actually push me?

No case.

Just gut.

I keep on telling you, I want a VC but RC ISN'T POSTING ONE -_-

That not an answer to my question

OF COURSE I REMEMBER IT ;~;

[Alisae]

Aelita was basicly doing the samething imo.

[Alisae]

Dunn this post contains an invisible vote on you.

pedit: There

[Alisae]

GUT

[Alisae]

Mine is bigger and BLUER!

[Alisae]

OH FUCK RC IS GOING TO KILL ME
RC PLEASE DON'T HURT ME!

[Alisae]

I'M ONLY AN INNOCENT LITTLE ALISAE I DIDN'T MEAN NO HARM ;~;

[Alisae]

Gork, tbh my read on Dunn isn't a metaread or anything. It's moreso I agree with Frog, he should be pushing things and he really hasn't done anything that's towny at all. He voted Titus, never pushed it, and when Frog mentioned that he wasn't pushing Titus, Dunn started pushing Titus with really similar phrasing Frog used to describe Dunn's Titus push.

Like, I could meta him but it would just end up giving me a headache because Dunn is sorta a hard read for me ;~;

I think giga could moreso help you there Gork?

[Alisae]

I also played this game with scum!Dunn when he was hydraing with HS.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=70181

And this is a game I played with town!Dunn
viewtopic.php?f=55&t=69849

But those were like, so fucking long ago, I hardly remember them.

[Alisae]

There's also Tatsuya's micro which Frog linked which I also remember more.

[Alisae]

RC you give me sads ;~;

[Alisae]

VOTE: Dunn
bah bye.

[Alisae]

gigs how is it like hydraing with Eddie?

[Alisae]

Yeah, you two seemed to be really in sync and stuff and it looks like you're having fun so...

[Alisae]

giga.
Would you trust me if I told you random is town?

[Alisae]

but why are vecna and dunn voting together

¯\_(ツ)_/¯