Micro 702: Matrix 5 | Endgame

[ThinkBig]

VC 1.05

Official Vote Count

MarioManiac4

(2): PenguinPower, LicketyQuickety

BTD6_maker

(2): Tenshii, Toto

oldwino

(1): Loopdan

Toto

(1): FireScreamer

Loopdan

(1): oldwino

Not Voting

(2): BTD6_maker, MarioManiac4

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-03 14:59:12)

[Toto]

VOTE: maker

Obvious PP's partner.

Again, zero reasoning. If you think this, you should be able to explain. Give an explanation.

By the way, it is NAI for me to push people who do not have any reasoning behind their votes.

Besides, if you think I am PP's partner, that requires PP to be scum. You therefore think PP is more likely to be scum so that is where your vote should be, preferably with reasoning.

1) pp is always scum.
2) ???
3) you are his partner

[Toto]

Anyone else thinks maker sounds like scum caught for bad reasons?
?

[BTD6_maker]

VOTE: maker

Obvious PP's partner.

Again, zero reasoning. If you think this, you should be able to explain. Give an explanation.

By the way, it is NAI for me to push people who do not have any reasoning behind their votes.

Besides, if you think I am PP's partner, that requires PP to be scum. You therefore think PP is more likely to be scum so that is where your vote should be, preferably with reasoning.

1) pp is always scum.
2) ???
3) you are his partner

A description of this argument's quality.

[BTD6_maker]

And before you quote-mine and misinterpret this, it is not even right either.

See this and this.

[Toto]

You really

1) think my argument is serious.
2) are trying really hard to refute the argument and being overly defensive.

Now, after that reaction I really think you are mafia.

Why are you not voting me? Im your top scum read.

[Loopdan]

VOTE: BTD

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: BTD

I think I get this vote, and I have been thinking the same without saying it, but I want to hear the reason to see if you are voting for what I am thinking.

[oldwino]

VOTE: BTD

I drafted the post below this morning before LQ's post, but was saving it until I did another ISO on BTD before I posted it.
I still haven't done the ISO, but after seeing LQ's post, want to also ask for Loopdan's logic here.

Is this vote serious? I don't necessarily disagree. I was starting to think maybe so too but would like to know your reasoning.

[oldwino]

VOTE: maker

Obvious PP's partner.

Again, zero reasoning. If you think this, you should be able to explain. Give an explanation.

By the way, it is NAI for me to push people who do not have any reasoning behind their votes.

Besides, if you think I am PP's partner, that requires PP to be scum. You therefore think PP is more likely to be scum so that is where your vote should be, preferably with reasoning.

1) pp is always scum.
2) ???
3) you are his partner

A description of this argument's quality.

I do agree with BTD, however, that Toto's reasons are totally without logic. Toto has pinged me as well, but I don't think Toto and BTD are partners.

[BTD6_maker]

You really

1) think my argument is serious.
2) are trying really hard to refute the argument and being overly defensive.

Now, after that reaction I really think you are mafia.

Why are you not voting me? Im your top scum read.

I am not saying that your argument is serious. Instead, I am saying that you have no argument and am pushing you for it. This is completely NAI. However, this post is full of misrep. My scumread on you has currently progressed to a weak scumread, and this is enough to merit a vote.

VOTE: Toto

[Toto]

How am I misrepping you?

I voted you for an obvious non serious non-argument. Yet you took it seriously since you went and explained how my argument is not an argument and all. So let me make my argument very clear:

You are scum and you overeacted to my vote and non-argument. Why would you do that? There is nothing more frustrating as scum as being accused for illogical reasons by an illogical townie. You simply can not use logic to make it go away.

So there, argue away. Also

why are you not making any commments about loops vote?
Why are you not worried about oldwino and lq noncommittal posts.

Your vote on me feels forced.

Last question. Did we also guess your partner?

[BTD6_maker]

There is nothing more frustrating as Town as being accused for illogical reasons by an illogical Townie. You simply cannot use logic to make it go away.

At this moment, you have a serious argument which I can attack. You are assuming that defensiveness is more likely from scum than Town, which is dubious at best as Town has a vested interest in not being lynched. This makes your premise that I am scum flawed, as there is no justification for that.

I was addressing your reasoning in that post. You cannot expect me to address everything in every post.

Loopdan probably is voting me because of your own flawed reasoning.

LicketyQuickety had given some reasoning beforehand about MarioManiac. Oldwino voted in RVS, where votes with zero reasoning are commonplace, but you voted after RVS, where all votes must have some justification so it can come under critique.

[Toto]

K ill go with gut then. Fuck logic.

[Loopdan]

VOTE: BTD

I think I get this vote, and I have been thinking the same without saying it, but I want to hear the reason to see if you are voting for what I am thinking.

I don't know your thinking, but I'm voting BTD because:
I like wagons.
I think there's a reasonable likelihood that his interactions with Toto are fake (I can explain more if needed).

160 and 162 just adds to my uneasiness with BTD's read on Toto. He votes Toto in 160 as a scum-lean, then talks about having to argue with "illogical town" in 162.

[Loopdan]

VOTE: BTD

I think I get this vote, and I have been thinking the same without saying it, but I want to hear the reason to see if you are voting for what I am thinking.

Now I'd like to hear your thinking.

[Loopdan]

Loopdan probably is voting me because of your own flawed reasoning.

This seems to just assume my alignment with no consideration that I might be scum driving a mis-lynch.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: BTD

I think I get this vote, and I have been thinking the same without saying it, but I want to hear the reason to see if you are voting for what I am thinking.

Now I'd like to hear your thinking.

TBH, it because of the fact that he is Scum hunting. I haven't seen him do that as Town. I have seen him try and game solve as Town only. I have never seen him actually ask people questions as Town. It also looks a bit contrived as you pointed out. It looks like he is not thinking about motivations but instead is trying to make it look like he is contributing. I have said this before, but Town are Pro-Active, Scum are Reactive. I see more reactiveness from maker than proactiveness based on meta.

[MarioManiac4]

I don't see how BTD taking things too seriously is indicative of alignment here although I want to see more posting from him before I judge it.
I still don't like Lickety/Oldwino interactions. Lickety criticises me in 42 for hiding my motivations but five pages later he is very keen on doing so. I still don't know why he thinks oldwino's response to pressure was as good as he seems to think.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't see how BTD taking things too seriously is indicative of alignment here although I want to see more posting from him before I judge it.
I still don't like Lickety/Oldwino interactions. Lickety criticises me in 42 for hiding my motivations but five pages later he is very keen on doing so. I still don't know why he thinks oldwino's response to pressure was as good as he seems to think.

I read his emotions as true. Hard to make emotions like that look believable. Take in contrast your pounding on your chest. It makes it look like a bluff.

[Tenshii]

I L L O G I C A L
T O W N
VOTE: BTD6_maker

[ThinkBig]

Mod Note

Prodding PenguinPower. This is his first prod of the game. He has (expired on 2017-04-25 13:55:16)to respond or I will look for a replacement

[MarioManiac4]

I don't see how BTD taking things too seriously is indicative of alignment here although I want to see more posting from him before I judge it.
I still don't like Lickety/Oldwino interactions. Lickety criticises me in 42 for hiding my motivations but five pages later he is very keen on doing so. I still don't know why he thinks oldwino's response to pressure was as good as he seems to think.

I read his emotions as true. Hard to make emotions like that look believable. Take in contrast your pounding on your chest. It makes it look like a bluff.

I... didn't really do anything of the sort? ok i guess?

[Loopdan]

That's L-1 by the way. This is where someone on the wagon always unvotes because they think things are moving too fast, but it won't be me.

[FireScreamer]

Someone is going to hold my hand through the BTD case because I am not understanding it at all.