DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[Prism]

@A50:

Wraith was roleblocked by town, farside flipped it and scumread Wraith iirc. Either way it's more likely than strongman. We also had a claimed bodyguard making any hit elsewhere inherently risky.

VOTE: Infinity

What do you mean by risky?? They would've either killed one of you Masons OR ended up killing the BG anyway. They did NOT target you. They targeted the BG claim directly. That doesn't make much sense.

I always try to solve the game by putting myself in a scum mindset. If I was Scum why would I shoot the BG over 2 Masons and a claimed Cop whom I BELIEVED to be a Cop? And I explained why the 1-shot part didn't make sense with his play, so he's either multi-shot or he is lying. If he's lying then he is Scum. If not then he is multi-dhot and Scum would have shot him over the Masons, and certainly over the BG claim.

~A50

Bodyguard is different from my understanding of it so my apologies, but I still don't think it makes much of a difference, especially given the new definition. This explains why he fakeclaimed, at least. It doesn't make sense to shoot suboptimally if he's a bodyguard, but I have a hard time imagining that no one has figured out that optimal play is to do as Wraith did.

Double that his flavor claim made no sense and several people pointed this out.

[Prism]

You can claim that it's possible to have no cop, but to pretend that both's existence doesn't make it

significantly

more likely that there's a cop is ridiculous and you need to be killed with fire.

[Tea and Biscuits]

I can't understand this game at all.

-- Postie

[Infinity 324]

You can claim that it's possible to have no cop, but to pretend that both's existence doesn't make it

significantly

more likely that there's a cop is ridiculous and you need to be killed with fire.

I'm not pretending that

I also think it's very unlikely that you and dreal are scum

I also think it's very unlikely that AC is scum

I also think it's even more unlikely that shepard is scum

I also think it's very unlikely that T&B is scum

[Prism]

Neither do I at this point, the last scum is in one of you/shaddowez/AC but god only knows why no one wants to lynch Infinity.

P-Edit: Sorry, to anyone not named Infinity. 2 of those are also not like the other.

[Tea and Biscuits]

The only way I can think for that kill to make sense is with Prism/dreal scum who believed the BG claim and wanted it to look like they were targeted. I don't know what to believe any more. Someone say something that makes sense.

-- Postie

[Almost Chara]

The only way I can think for that kill to make sense is with Prism/dreal scum who believed the BG claim and wanted it to look like they were targeted. I don't know what to believe any more. Someone say something that makes sense.

-- Postie

I won't pretend to be in full agreement with this, but it's an interesting theory none-the-less.

~A50

[Infinity 324]

Why is empking town, prism?

[Almost Chara]

In fact, it might be time to lynch a Mason. We are currently 8 (presumably 6 vs 2) so with a mislynch and a NK we are in MyLo. Mason claims should generally be tested BEFORE MyLo/LyLo.

But why was Titus pushing Dreal???

~A50

[Commander Shepard]

....I feel like everyone raided Titus's moonlogic stash to try to get a mislynch here.

[Almost Chara]

@CS: A mislynch (if that's what it is) that would be most beneficial to Town still. Scum will have to shoot the other Mason, so the Cop is safe. You are also confirmed, so it would be MyLo with 2 conf!townies. You can even decide whom to lynch if that's the case. You get to be the Town Leader.

If we do NOT lynch a Mason today we are forced to take their claim for granted. You don't lunch a Mason in LyLo/MyLo!!

Honestly, the more I think about what Postie said the more it makes sense. Not JUST that they thought Wraith's claim was legit, but ALSO explains why they didn't get shot at. NO SCUM leaves TWO MASONS and a CLAIMED COP to shoot a BG ... EVER!

~A50

[Prism]

Infinity:

Hunt in my and TWC's ISO if you want it.

In fact, it might be time to lynch a Mason. We are currently 8 (presumably 6 vs 2) so with a mislynch and a NK we are in MyLo. Mason claims should generally be tested BEFORE MyLo/LyLo.

But why was Titus pushing Dreal???

~A50

You don't "test" mason claims. They're not something you "test", except maybe if there is or will be like 5.

Especially

with only two. LyLo is the

only

time lynching one is on the table. Lynching one of us leaves the other to just get nightkilled next.

This is beyond stupid. It's 10x worse to mislynch a mason before LyLo than it is to mislynch a VT.

[Prism]

Okay, this just got even dumber. You absolutely lynch mason claims in LyLo if you think they're scum.

[Prism]

Where's Chara?

Chara?

CHARA?

[Almost Chara]

Lynching one of us leaves the other to just get nightkilled next.

That's MUCH better than lynching one IN LYLO

~A50

[Prism]

...No, it's not, and it's demonstrably suboptimal, numerically.

[Almost Chara]

Well then. Let's numerically test it!!

VOTE: Prism

P.S. The more you talk the more you convince me Postie hit the nail right on the head. Your explanation of why Wraith was shot over you, dreal AND Empking is beyond ridiculous. If you flip scum all credit goes to Wraith and his fake claim.

~A50

[Almost Chara]

There's also this little matter of you, dreal & Empking ending the day voting T&B. Suddenly you decide Infinity is the right lynch today??

~A50

[Prism]

I'm glad your idea of a witty reply is to piledrive the town chance of winning into the ground if we're town, ignoring that it is

an equivalent chance of a town win

to lynch us tomorrow if we're scum, with a significantly higher degree of confidence, just for the sake of saying something you think is cool.

I mentioned this to drealm already but I'm so done and over with this game and that's part of why I'm lazy. Deep down, there is a part of me that wants to get lynched and get it over with. Scumread the AtE all you want.

[Prism]

Most optimal play arguments

at least

can say something is optimal if someone does turn out to be scum.

This isn't even the case here. It would literally be equivalent

even if we were mafia

.

It is a

de facto, guaranteed dominate

strategy to not lynch me/drealm today.

[Commander Shepard]

....AC: I hate leading town in LYLO. Fucking hate it. I don't want my word to be law I want to have people I can bounce off with.

[Infinity 324]

Yeah we're not lynching a mason today.

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Unvote

Still think Infinity is conf scum

But I shouldn't be voting as conf town right now

Gotta go will be gone a while but I want to see where everyone stands.

[Prism]

I'm more just annoyed that I have to explain that if these are the possible payouts for two different strategies:

If town If mafia
#1. .5 1
#2. .25 1

That they should take strategy #2 in both cases.

[Prism]

Spacing is a bit messed up due to typing on my phone but you get the idea