Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

But he didn't say he prefers scum he said he likes scum right?
The meaning is very different.
I can see scum saying they like being scum, I can see town saying it too.

Overall though I agree with you on the Gerry read. I'll be doing better iso reads tomorrow though.

[Radical Rat]

Snarky, Tiphaine, LUV, and Gerry.

You've all discarded Town roles with a negative utility ability.
It seems to me like neg utility cards would be ideal for taking the alignment, then taking a better ability.

It's not anything damning, of course, but... interesting to note.

well yes, its a bad role lol.

honestly i'd choose mafia over town anyway.

but i got stuck with 3 town cards and that was the worst

[SlySly]

Alright, but you realize this is a game of psychological manipulation.

All of your posts feel, to me, like you are trying to be psychologically manipulative.

[Chickadee]

Alright, but you realize this is a game of psychological manipulation.

All of your posts feel, to me, like you are trying to be psychologically manipulative.

We're playing a game of mafia.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Chickadee

[Chickadee]

[JerryArr]

Mini 1904 Vote Count

VOTE COUNT 1.03
No players at L-2 or closer.

TiphaineDeath: McMenno
Ircher: Riley Cake
Chickadee: Lil Uzi Vert, Radical Rat
Radical Rat: Chickadee
SnarkySnowman: Ircher, 1 Shot Vanilla Town

Not voting: gerryoat, Necta, Rautherdir, SlySly, SnarkySnowman, TiphaineDeath

Day 1 deadline is 11 May, 2017 at 6:15 PM EDT, or in {(expired on 2017-05-11 18:15:00)}.

There are 13 living players, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

NOTES:

Nothing of note.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Alright, but you realize this is a game of psychological manipulation.

All of your posts feel, to me, like you are trying to be psychologically manipulative.

Walk me through this.

[gerryoat]

If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

I also drew all town cards, or i would be mafia right now lol

[gerryoat]

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.

If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

Looks to me like my "fishing for info" is serving its purpose just fine. So why doesn't it sit right with you?

Also you left Gerry off that list. Any particular reason why?

Ah, yea, seems I did. Gerry should be on that list as well.

Honestly forgot Gerry was in this game when making that list. Should have double checked.

I went back and ISO'd though. I would even put him in one of my top scum reads.

Are you kidding me?? One of the few games where i'm actually engaged early and giving off my thoughts and i'm forgettable still lol, can't wait to hear the reason for me being a top scumread tho

[gerryoat]

@Rat, this is what's standing out to me as far as Gerry stands. Can you tell me why you town pinged him?

Snarky, Tiphaine, LUV, and Gerry.

You've all discarded Town roles with a negative utility ability.
It seems to me like neg utility cards would be ideal for taking the alignment, then taking a better ability.

It's not anything damning, of course, but... interesting to note.

well yes, its a bad role lol. honestly i'd choose mafia over town anyway. but i got stuck with 3 town cards and that was the worst

Admits he'd choose mafia over town, but conveniently did not have the choice. Doesn't sit right with me.

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

lol

Maybe Gerry finds this amusing because he knows the probability of at least one of the people claiming all town lying? Perhaps he finds it funny, because he's lying about it.

Do you consider being scum as 'fun'?

i do :p

Could just be an honest answer to a simple question that has no bearing on this game. But it could also be a cheeky soft claim that no one is willing to hook onto?

so there could be literally 2 mafia right now?

Seems like gerry is trying to undersell the numbers on a scum team. Although with multi ball it's entirely possible that there are only 2 mafia right now. Who knows how many other people in other factions.

1. Because I actually like being mafia over being town? I'm sorry? How is that AI at all? Just because I like being mafia doesn't mean I am more likely to be mafia, this is reaching.

2. You scumread me for saying "lol" without even asking for the context in that situation? What?? lol. I was actually laughing because he didn't throw away the supposed VT card he got, which I found a bit strange.

3. ARE YOU REALLY SAYING I'M SOFT CLAIMING MAFIA. WHAT LOL. These can't be serious reasons for scumreading me, i literally refuse these reasons.


Let's summarize the reasons why chickadee says i'm one of her top scumreads. Because I said I like being mafia and because I said lol with no context to a post.

[gerryoat]

And I think Gerry's play style is spammy enough that most people would shrug it off.

For instance, if I had made the post saying that playing mafia is fun, I think people would be questioning it.

First you say that you forgot I was in the game, now you're saying that my style is spammy. I don't get how you can actually find someone saying they like being mafia as AI. It's NAI at all. I'd say that as mafia or town. You should be reading the tone of my posts and not scumreading me for NAI things.

[gerryoat]

Hey guys, I'm actually thinking that someone that threw away a mafia card could be mafia that got all 3 mafia cards. (or at least 2 mafia cards and a 3rd party) I seriously doubt they'd choose 3rd party unless it's like lyncher or something, but idk. I mostly think this because of odds.

[gerryoat]

I'll check this thread tomorrow unless someone replies soon. goodnight all

[Radical Rat]

Hey guys, I'm actually thinking that someone that threw away a mafia card could be mafia that got all 3 mafia cards. (or at least 2 mafia cards and a 3rd party) I seriously doubt they'd choose 3rd party unless it's like lyncher or something, but idk. I mostly think this because of odds.

There is no lyncher, but I agree that discarding scum does not clear anyone.

Why don't you think they'd choose third party though?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vote Chi, Gerry.

[Riley Cake]

Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

[Riley Cake]

WE SHOULD GIVE CHICKADEESIES A CHANCE!!! what if it was a real mistake and we lynch her???

[Radical Rat]

Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.

[Radical Rat]

WE SHOULD GIVE CHICKADEESIES A CHANCE!!! what if it was a real mistake and we lynch her???

Oh, this is about more than a simple mistake.

I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

I find this hard to believe. Two people got all town roles? That leaves no wiggle room for alignment, and is awfully convenient when it comes time to claim things. There's such a huge section of list that wasn't even touched that it would be a fairly safe gamble to try and claim all town choices.

VOTE: Chickadee

Why did you leave out Rauth? He's essentially claiming the same thing in the following post:

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

Ah, I missed that. Genuine mistake.

Now I'm finding it even harder to believe.

The beginning. Honest mistake? Perhaps. But also take note of Rauth's sudden excusal and the implication that he did Not, in fact, draw all Town.

Rat, that seems like a pretty scummy thing to be digging for. Sounds like you're trying to set up crumbs to later build a case against whoever ends up being easy lynchbait.


VOTE: Radical Rat


Thoughts, anyone else?

I have asked about this twice now, and twice it has been ignored. She knows she's making this up to remove a threat.

Help me understand the mason stuff.
Can there only be one Mason? If there are more, can Masons have different aligments but still have a private talk together?

Mason, traditionally is a neighbor who is confirmed Town to all other masons in the masonry. There can be any number.

In this game, due to the nature of blending alignment/role from two cards, masons do not have that Town confirmation, and are functionally no different from a regular neighborhood.

Masons do not have to be confirmed town. In fact, I've seen it more frequently that one mason is town, and one is not. And there can be more than one set of masons.

Even if someone else came in to counterclaim masons with someone else, I wouldn't immediately assume McMenno is lying.

This is a blatant lie. I refuse to believe that someone who's been on site for over five years honestly didn't know what a mason was. One of the newish players here, sure, but not her.

Think what you want. It was a genuine mistake. I read through too quickly.

Yet you had time to go back and quote a post from page 1 in 106?

True story, and a bit sloppy but here's how that played out:

I went to quote that and had it up, and then left to do something else, not game related. Like literally walked away from my computer. Came back, went to do something on my computer, so I opened another tab. Posted my first post. Then I found the other tab...and figured I'd post that too.

Probably not my shining moment.

Not buying it. Everything after the third sentence makes me think you're bullshitting.

HEY!!! UZI!! that makes no senes!!!!! if chicky was scum, why would she sneakily not notice a comment? SHE HAS NO REASON TO!!! *boops you hard* That's totally made up!!!

Why wouldn't she? It's a classic cop out.

The way the word found is used in that sentence as well as how the sentence is worded implies that it was a struggle to find the tab. I don't buy that unless she claims to have had 20 tabs opened. But I know Chi, and that's not like her.

You don't know meeee!

Ok you do.

But I'm not scum. Sorry you don't believe me.

And here she admits that LUV is correct in his assessment here, but that she totally isn't scum though. Right.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.

If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

Looks to me like my "fishing for info" is serving its purpose just fine. So why doesn't it sit right with you?

Also you left Gerry off that list. Any particular reason why?

Ah, yea, seems I did. Gerry should be on that list as well.

Honestly forgot Gerry was in this game when making that list. Should have double checked.

I went back and ISO'd though. I would even put him in one of my top scum reads.

The second time she conveniently forgets someone.

Alright, but you realize this is a game of psychological manipulation.

All of your posts feel, to me, like you are trying to be psychologically manipulative.

We're playing a game of mafia.

And here we are at last. The final straw. The smoking gun.
Manipulation is not necessary for the Town. Honesty and openness is the best weapon we have against scum. Only when the Town is telling the truth and collaborating with each other can scum be exposed.

[Radical Rat]

Ahem.
Questions anyone?

[Chickadee]

Ahem.
Questions anyone?

Sorry I've forgotten people along the way. It happens sometimes.

I did address your question. I didn't like that you were fishing for info. And it seems like not many other people did either, since people aren't jumping at the chance to give you the info.

I do know what a mason is. Just telling you my experience with masons.

My comment to LUV was not saying his assessment was correct. I was saying he's reading me wrong. The part where I said "Ok you do." was meant to be aimed at him personally.

And I agree, town typically does not need to rely on manipulation. But you can't deny that this is a game rooted in psychological manipulation. I never said I was using it, just that the game employs it.


I think you're reading way too much into what I'm saying, looking for things you want to be there.

[Chickadee]

I'm even willing to
UNVOTE:

because I think this is a case of TvT

[Radical Rat]

I asked WHY the info I'm fishing for is scummy.
And yes, this is a game of manipulation but what bothers me is that when Sly said you seemed manipulative, your response read as acknowledging that you were attempting to manipulate.

I will match your unvote until we get this sorted out however.
UNVOTE:

[gerryoat]

Hey guys, I'm actually thinking that someone that threw away a mafia card could be mafia that got all 3 mafia cards. (or at least 2 mafia cards and a 3rd party) I seriously doubt they'd choose 3rd party unless it's like lyncher or something, but idk. I mostly think this because of odds.

There is no lyncher, but I agree that discarding scum does not clear anyone.

Why don't you think they'd choose third party though?

because third party would be harder to win as. you'd be by yourself, when as mafia at least you'd have a group to work with.