Micro 701: Defiance Mafia II - Game Over

[drealmerz7]

into a HAT

[drealmerz7]

but since we achieved a majority vote, plurality vote won't come in to it

[drealmerz7]

charloux, why would you "just play it as normal" if you were jester???

do you normally get lynched in a normal role?

[Edosurist]

I doubt Char knows he's a jester. I assumed variant meant something along the lines of "if no lynch has a plurality, follow the most recent vote or the oldest vote."

And Vax's point about his role PM is interesting and explains some of his reasoning behind opposing the list. However, I will note that it's still possible he is Vax's partner. I'm still on my phone so I'm not certain what role Vax has that would confirm him town since he doesnt have a post restriction like Char.

Going forward, I want to see a flip on someone who's claimed, but obviously that won't happen during the night. As for D2, I'll still be shooting for the Char lynch, if not because he claimed scum, because we can possibly find out how the mod is lying to us. I expect to see me survive if I'm wrong cuz scum knows I'll be gunning for him.

As for me role-fishing dreal, I told him to use his role-confirming ability tonight so we can see whether the mod is at least using the roles he's given us. I also told this to McMenno. This also isn't role-fishing cuz it's displayed in his role PM (using the list) and can be used once a night every night. There's no reason why he shouldn't use it tonight. They've also both claimed diplomat so there's nothing for me to fish anymore besides what the mod will confirm to us.

[drealmerz7]

you're fishing to know if it is in our actual role PM comparatively to the list - and I will not confirm or deny whether my role PM is identical to the one from the list or not

and you don't think Charloux knows he's a gesture, but you have faith in the list being accurate? I see major contradiction here

[drealmerz7]

gesture? wow, d...

[Edosurist]

What's wrong with trying to find discrepencies between the list and our actual roles? I would assume you especially as a "diplomat" would like to know whether you actually win by any of your obscure wincons.
I'm saying if Char is in fact a

j

ester, it's not in his role PM. There's no way he'd know that and he wouldn't have suggested we keep him alive. If the mod intentionally set this up for us to be tricked like that, gg Ircher. You win.
I also don't have full faith in the list, which I have acknowledged multiple times.

Examples of what I'm hoping to see with Char's flip:
Does he flip aligned with the mafia and with the same role?
Does he flip aligned with the mafia but with some different role?
Does he flip aligned with some other faction but still have the same role?
Does he flip aligned with some other faction and with some other role?

By comparing how Char's flip plays out with whether you and McMenno (the claimed diplomats) can successfully "confirm" your role to others, we can get a gage on how much the mod is lying to us. For example:
If Char flips with the role we expect him to but neither diplomat can confirm their role, our roles are likely fake.
If Char flips with the role we expect him to and the diplomats can confirm their role, we should consider some amount of legitimacy of the roles or another mechanic.
If Char flips not with that role or not scum but the diplomats can successfully confirm themselves, perhaps the mod is hiding our actual roles, we act with those actual roles, and he gives us the illusion that our expected roles have some sort of value.

[drealmerz7]

ya, edos is scum! yeeesh!

[Edosurist]

Care to explain why? Communication helps, and I'd appreciate at least some feedback on my walls of text.

[Edosurist]

Maybe they're not walls. I dunno. They look like and feel like then from a phone.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm reading through stuff again. Char was at L1/2, if he was a jester he should have just voted himself, but he didnt, so that doesnt make sense.

THen he claims scum. I dont get what the angle is there. I've never seen scum just go, "Yeah im scum" they usually fight it every step of the way until they are lynched. In a bastard setup I read that and just thought Jester.

If he really is scum he should probably just be mod killed for playing against his win con.

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #13

Drealmerz7 (0) -
McMenno (0) -
PenguinPower (0) -
Edosurist (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
1 Shot Vanilla Town (0) -
Charloux (2) - Vanilla A, Vanilla B, Vanilla C, Vanilla D, Vanilla E, Vanilla F, Vanilla G, Vanilla H, Edosurist
The_Jester (0) -
_{Keyenpeydee (0) -
Ircher (0) -}

No Lynch (5) (Hammer @ 662) - Drealm, McMenno, Hester, Penguin, Vaxkiller

Not Voting (0) -

Lynch Threshold

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 votes to lynch!

Deadline

Day 1 ends on Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2017-05-02 17:00:00).

Moderator Notes

As a reminder, while this game may be bastard, it is still a game. Please treat it as such.

Moderator V/LA 5/1.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Drealm: No Lynch (120)
McMenno: No Lynch (181) --> Penguin (375) --> No Lynch (619)
Penguin: Drealm (122) --> No Lynch (140) --> (Null) (141) --> Keyen (212) --> Edosurist (598) --> Charloux (600) --> No Lynch (661)
Edosurist: Penguin (363) --> Charloux (461) --> (Null) (568) --> Charloux (604) == Charloux (606)
Woodboys: Drealm (234) --> (Null) (236)
Vaxkiller: Edosurist (574) --> No Lynch (662)
Vanilla:
All: Charloux (462)
Charloux: No Lynch (139) --> (Null) (278) --> Woodboys (333) --> Penguin (393) -->

Lost Vote

Jester: Penguin (179) --> Charloux (233) --> Woodboys (297) --> Penguin (371) --> Vaxkiller (560) --> Charloux (562) --> No Lynch (632)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Dawn (Pre-Game)

Drealm: Ircher (61)
Edosurist: McMenno (4)

[Ircher]

No Lynch occurred.

Why can't you get along?
Must you bicker and fight?
Well, we'll have a momentary peace
Til the peace fades away...

Night 1's deadline is currently suspended.

[Ircher]

Night 1 ends on Thursday, May 4, 2017 6:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2017-05-04 18:00:00).

Night actions are due before then. As a reminder, you may not pm each other at night, but I will forgive any transgressions before this post.

[Ircher]

Day 2 begins!

No one died!

Peace may be an answer
But is it the answer?
I think not!
Quite a thought!

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #1

Drealmerz7 (0) -
McMenno (0) -
PenguinPower (0) -
Edosurist (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
1 Shot Vanilla Town (0) -
Charloux (0) -
The_Jester (0) -
_{Keyenpeydee (0) -
Ircher (0) -}
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (5) - Vanilla A, Vanilla B, Vanilla C, Vanilla D, Vanilla E, Vanilla F, Vanilla G, Vanilla H, Edosurist, Drealm, McMenno, Penguin

Lynch Threshold

With 5 votes in play, it takes 2 3/4 votes to lynch!

Deadline

Day 2 ends on Sunday May 14, 2017 5:30 PM EDT or in (expired on 2017-05-14 17:30:00).

Moderator Notes

As a reminder, while this game may be bastard, it is still a game. Please treat it as such.

Moderator V/LA 5/11.
Day 2 will also be run using plurality or a variant.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Drealm: No Lynch (120)
McMenno: No Lynch (181) --> Penguin (375) --> No Lynch (619)
Penguin: Drealm (122) --> No Lynch (140) --> (Null) (141) --> Keyen (212) --> Edosurist (598) --> Charloux (600) --> No Lynch (661)
Edosurist: Penguin (363) --> Charloux (461) --> (Null) (568) --> Charloux (604) == Charloux (606)
Woodboys: Drealm (234) --> (Null) (236)
Vaxkiller: Edosurist (574) --> No Lynch (662)
Vanilla:
All: Charloux (462)
Charloux: No Lynch (139) --> (Null) (278) --> Woodboys (333) --> Penguin (393) -->

Lost Vote

Jester: Penguin (179) --> Charloux (233) --> Woodboys (297) --> Penguin (371) --> Vaxkiller (560) --> Charloux (562) --> No Lynch (632)

Dawn (Pre-Game)

Drealm: Ircher (61)
Edosurist: McMenno (4)

[drealmerz7]

well my theory was a POS

willing to take a backseat and listen to other proposals for what this game is all about, but I will not be listening to any that are based off of

"hey look! a list of roles wide open in the public, the super-weird bastard game must just be that simple, let's lynch to see what we get in comparison to said list!" - cause that is really narrowminded, shortsighted, silly, copoutish, non-gamesolving ridiculousness- it's NOT that straightforward!

Ircher would NEVER DO THAT.

my only thought at this point is to try and lynch the mod and see what we get

[Ircher]

The Moderator claims Jester Moderator.

[drealmerz7]

ohyes definitely

he taunts it with wifom - he must diiieeee (but again, still open to hearing other suggestions, absolutely, and will not push this even 1/3 as hard as I pushed NL on D1)

VOTE: Ircher

btw, I do thank you all for trying it, you make me proud - sucks I was wrong, it would have been awesome to see the entire PL get a win, imo!

[McMenno]

Day 2 begins!

No one died!

Peace may be an answer
But is it the answer?
I think not!
Quite a thought!

are you sure my friend

VOTE: no lynch

peace will prevail

[drealmerz7]

ponderous
wondrous
eekydeekydoo

speculative forecast
leakycheekypoo

[Edosurist]

VOTE: Charlous
I'm just gonna vote claimed scum while you guys flail for a bit. In the previous Defiance game, Ircher lied about roles but he didn't lie about alignment.
I think we've confirmed that the list at least contains the roles Ircher has shown us. I don't understand how you can deny that this game is at least somewhst related to the list when we've already proven that our "apparent" roles are on there.
That being said, you've stated that you're not going to accept that line of reasoning. Here's a different one:

Char admitted that he has a scum role PM. Vax says it's unlike scum to claim like that, but from Char's perspective, we'd found a list that showed his role had to be a scum role. What else could he do? I absolutely think he paniced and tried to bargain with us to survive. If we put that together with the fact that Ircher lied about roles but not alignment, Char is scum.

@Char If it's true that the diplomats win if there's a no lynch today, it's in your interest to make a lynch happen even if it's on yourself. Your partner can carry your team the rest of the way.

@Mod:

Did we ever get a replacement for 1-shot?

[Edosurist]

Oops.
VOTE: Charloux
@Vax After 710, can I expect you to vote Char?

Did anybody have any night actions that suggest that their role is true?
@dreal and McMenno Did you do like I asked/reminded you too?

[Charloux]

@Edosurist:
There are 2 problems:
1) I tried killing Mcmenno, but got RBed by town. You negated my chance of being cleared by his flip. If I have to choose if I want town/diplomats to win, ofc I would choose the latter.
2)I am voteless, and there are 2 diplomats with the ability to stop votes. If they just thought about it, then it's gg.

[Edosurist]

The diplomats are 1-shot BP. That's why he didnt die.

I forgot you were voteless. For some reason I understood that you required three strikes before you lost your vote as that's what's in your role PM on the list. I recall you doing it once, but maybe you broke your restriction thrice.
They do in fact have the ability to stop votes. We'll have to wait to see if they used it.