Open 680.1 C9++ | Endgame

Umlaut · Post Post #1700 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 4:58 am

Okay, going from "Titus is a good lynch" to "Titus is probable scum."

She's voting her townread after saying it was stupid to lynch him today and his claim was solid, because

In post 1663, Titus wrote:I don't see an rb claim yet. I am starting to think I am wrong on Gamma, but his play is so obvtown.

That's a pretty weird reason to turn around completely, especially given that people are

explicitly

not claiming and Titus herself said she'd rather just hurry up and lynch Dave.

Hey, I wonder if the most recent VC can help us figure out what changed her mind.

In post 1635, Aristophanes wrote:
Official Vote Count

Titus
(4): Almost50, Umlaut, davesaz, Brian Skies

Gamma Emerald
(4): RoryMK, Alchemist21, Narna, FireScreamer

davesaz
(2): Gamma Emerald, Titus

Almost50
(1): Firebringer

Alchemist21
(1): Green Crayons

Firebringer
(1): CommKnight

Not Voting
(0):
None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

Firebringer · Post Post #1701 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 4:59 am

It's weird almost50 says Titus is buddying me where I feel like Titus is more pushing me away or doesn't engage me directly.

Almost50 · Post Post #1702 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 4:59 am

In post 1683, Firebringer wrote:Almost50 why are you sure of Titus!Scum.

I know how she reacts under certain circumstances. Titus TUNNELS whoever scum-reads her when she is Town. Scum!Titus though tries to buddy or deflect when she is scum, and then tunnels a low hanging fruit/a viable lynch.

It looks like we WILL end up lynching Gamma, and when he flips Town, she will shrug it off and carry on targeting dave next.

When have you last seen Town!Titus back off from a fight? It's almost as if I have been whoring myself to her and she still won't bite. WHY?

Also, the whole RB/not RB is SHIT, but I don't expect everyone to realize how shitty play it is. I do -however- expect Titus to know EXACTLY how and why it's bad play. She's as good in playing open setups as anyone, and she -sure as hell- can do the math and put 2 & 2 together to figure out stuff most others won't.

And then there's the fact Titus DOES know how to read me .. and fairly early into the game. If she says she scum reads me here SHE IS SCUM!

FireScreamer · Post Post #1703 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 4:59 am

In post 1698, Titus wrote:
In post 1696, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1694, Titus wrote:
In post 1690, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1686, Titus wrote:take a long walk off a short pier.
Is this a common expression for people? Because that's fucking hilarious!
It's one I use to say, go fuck yourself.

But seriously, dave and A50 slot are not town at all.

No one is claiming rb, which suggests my gamma read is wrong.

That makes gg unless I am wrong. So I am not surprised I am wagoned now. *shrug*
Sort of makes sense why I am A50's secondary target as well.
Are you agreeing dave and A50 are scum or just A50?

I hate trying to nail the whole picture in day 1 but yeah I can see how the Dave/A50/Gamma team works.

I was pushing Gamma and Dave. Deadline was approaching. A50 shows up and sets up the Titus alternative because he NEEDS to manufacture a wagon that isnt one of those two. Chainsaws me in the process.

Firebringer · Post Post #1704 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:00 am

Can I literally sell another lynch today on someone else besides my tip townreads of gamma and Titus.
Anyone?

Almost50 · Post Post #1705 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:00 am

In post 1685, FireScreamer wrote:I also have no desire to alienate people from voting on my wagons A50. Plus I am very lazy. Pick like 3 of the lynches you believe I would support and i'll do that for you.

Gamma, dave and myself.

Titus · Post Post #1706 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:01 am

In post 1704, Firebringer wrote:Can I literally sell another lynch today on someone else besides my tip townreads of gamma and Titus.
Anyone?

Fire, I get gamma looks town by play. I agree with you but I don't think anyone can be rb here.

If there is, we have an innocent child here.

Firebringer · Post Post #1707 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:02 am

In post 1702, Almost50 wrote:In post 1683, Firebringer wrote:
Almost50 why are you sure of Titus!Scum.

I know how she reacts under certain circumstances. Titus TUNNELS whoever scum-reads her when she is Town. Scum!Titus though tries to buddy or deflect when she is scum, and then tunnels a low hanging fruit/a viable lynch.

I agree with this analysis but not how it was applied to this game.

Almost50 · Post Post #1708 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:02 am

In post 1686, Titus wrote:If
this was ego
I was town, I would be voting A50 all game and telling you to take a long walk off a short pier.

Fixed.

FireScreamer · Post Post #1709 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:03 am

In post 1705, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1685, FireScreamer wrote:I also have no desire to alienate people from voting on my wagons A50. Plus I am very lazy. Pick like 3 of the lynches you believe I would support and i'll do that for you.
Gamma, dave and myself.

Red flips on any of you would limit my scum pool to the other two right now.

Green on Gamma or Dave would make me scumread you less.

My read on you is the weakest, with a green flip i'd probably still go after Dave or Gamma, but would still look elsewhere too.

Firebringer · Post Post #1710 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:04 am

In post 1706, Titus wrote:
In post 1704, Firebringer wrote:Can I literally sell another lynch today on someone else besides my tip townreads of gamma and Titus.
Anyone?
Fire, I get gamma looks town by play. I agree with you but I don't think anyone can be rb here.

If there is, we have an innocent child here.

I am not lynching gamma or you today.
I have to have limits.

FireScreamer · Post Post #1711 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:04 am

The Gamma wagon has so much resistance and counterwagoning when worst case we get an IC out of the deal. Gamma is scum.

Almost50 · Post Post #1712 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:05 am

In post 1694, Titus wrote:That makes gg unless I am wrong.

Firebringer · Post Post #1713 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:06 am

In post 1711, FireScreamer wrote:The Gamma wagon has so much resistance and counterwagoning when worst case we get an IC out of the deal. Gamma is scum.

What wagon doesn't have resistance right now?

Almost50 · Post Post #1714 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:07 am

In post 1695, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1684, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1675, Firebringer wrote:No one currently townreads me besides Titus.
Mate, Titus know your vulnerability to buddying. YOU ARE BEING POCKETED.
Where is she pocketing me specifically?

She's TRing you to neutralize you at worst, and to get you in her pocket at best. You're one of those players who automatically SR who SRs you and vise versa most of the time, and especially so at the start of the game. It's easy to play you like this, mate.

FireScreamer · Post Post #1715 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:08 am

In post 1713, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1711, FireScreamer wrote:The Gamma wagon has so much resistance and counterwagoning when worst case we get an IC out of the deal. Gamma is scum.
What wagon doesn't have resistance right now?

What other wagon has such a good worst case scenario?

FireScreamer · Post Post #1716 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:09 am

In post 1715, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1713, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1711, FireScreamer wrote:The Gamma wagon has so much resistance and counterwagoning when worst case we get an IC out of the deal. Gamma is scum.
What wagon doesn't have resistance right now?
What other wagon has such a good worst case scenario?

What other wagon involves a claim of a role that has a less than 4% chance of being in the setup?

Titus · Post Post #1717 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:09 am

In post 1700, Umlaut wrote:Okay, going from "Titus is a good lynch" to "Titus is probable scum."

She's voting her townread after saying it was stupid to lynch him today and his claim was solid, because
In post 1663, Titus wrote:I don't see an rb claim yet. I am starting to think I am wrong on Gamma, but his play is so obvtown.
That's a pretty weird reason to turn around completely, especially given that people are
explicitly
not claiming and Titus herself said she'd rather just hurry up and lynch Dave.

Hey, I wonder if the most recent VC can help us figure out what changed her mind.
In post 1635, Aristophanes wrote:
Official Vote Count

Titus
(4): Almost50, Umlaut, davesaz, Brian Skies

Gamma Emerald
(4): RoryMK, Alchemist21, Narna, FireScreamer

davesaz
(2): Gamma Emerald, Titus

Almost50
(1): Firebringer

Alchemist21
(1): Green Crayons

Firebringer
(1): CommKnight

Not Voting
(0):
None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2017-05-03 20:06:48)

Read the last line of that again too.

2.5 days until deadline. So yeah, the VC is a factor.

Firebringer · Post Post #1718 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:09 am

In post 1714, Almost50 wrote:She's TRing you to neutralize you at worst, and to get you in her pocket at best. You're one of those players who automatically SR who SRs you and vise versa most of the time, and especially so at the start of the game. It's easy to play you like this, mate.

No, I don't.
I townread people who scumread me for reasons ic ha understand.
I scumread people who scumread me when their reasoning makes no sense.

I have scumread people for townreading me when I tried to act scummy.

I am not that kind of person who auto townreads people just for townreading me lol.
I don't even expect people to townread me in this game right now.

Not sure why alchemist has a townread on me besides previous slot.

Titus · Post Post #1719 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:11 am

If Gamma is town, the rb will claim, I will likely be mislynched and just say follow FireScreamer. I am aware of that but a deadline scramble is terrible here given the sheer number of wagons today.

Firebringer · Post Post #1720 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:11 am

The only thing keeping me on edge about Titus is the way she is talking to people.
But even that I can't just understand what she is always thinking.

Umlaut · Post Post #1721 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:12 am

In post 1717, Titus wrote:Read the last line of that again too.

2.5 days until deadline. So yeah, the VC is a factor.

I predicted this response.

Survival voting is all well and good.

There is a big difference between saying "VOTE: Gamma, better him than me," and saying "VOTE: Gamma, I changed my mind and decided he was scum at the most convenient possible moment."

Almost50 · Post Post #1722 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:13 am

In post 1704, Firebringer wrote:Can I literally sell another lynch today on someone else besides my tip townreads of gamma and Titus.
Anyone?

I doubt it, but you can always try for lolz.

FireScreamer · Post Post #1723 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:13 am

In post 1719, Titus wrote:If Gamma is town, the rb will claim, I will likely be mislynched and just say follow FireScreamer. I am aware of that but a deadline scramble is terrible here given the sheer number of wagons today.

This is a good point. Why would scum titus push a wagon like this on town gamma as her alternative where if she is scum and knows gamma is town then she KNOWS the RB will claim and her alternative will fail?

If I was scum in Titus' spot the last thing i'd want to do is trade myself for an RB claim.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #1724 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:14 am

In post 1718, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1714, Almost50 wrote:She's TRing you to neutralize you at worst, and to get you in her pocket at best. You're one of those players who automatically SR who SRs you and vise versa most of the time, and especially so at the start of the game. It's easy to play you like this, mate.
No, I don't.
I townread people who scumread me for reasons ic ha understand.
I scumread people who scumread me when their reasoning makes no sense.

I have scumread people for townreading me when I tried to act scummy.

I am not that kind of person who auto townreads people just for townreading me lol.
I don't even expect people to townread me in this game right now.

Not sure why alchemist has a townread on me besides previous slot.

I've seen gamesolvey posts from you and I still hold firm in my belief that gamesolvey firebringer is Town firebringer.