Spring Fever (Endgame)

[Randomnamechange]

alright cool.
I'm not sure on your new hood being all town, but it could be and is a useful sorting tool.

[jjh927]

Well, Heartless has been cleared, and I want to talk to Bella because sorting

[jjh927]

Right now I'm mostly just trusting Frog to have a good Bella read but getting one of my own would probably affect my thoughts on Frog, too, so yeah

[Fro99er]

Right now I'm mostly just trusting Frog to have a good Bella read but getting one of my own would probably affect my thoughts on Frog, too, so yeah

That's why I want you and heartless to bond with Bella.

So that other people can get these reads on her too, instead of me doing all the heavy lifting on that bella read. But i'm going to since it's been requested. It'll take a bit of time to write it up

[Randomnamechange]

i thought titus was doubtcasting the heartless clear?

[Heartless]

make no mistake frogger it's not for lack of trying or reading

and i think bella's content is alright but i have yet to hit something that rly makes me townread her.

[Fro99er]

[quote="In post 5854, randomidget"][/quote]
She was. She said it's possible it's Heartless/Dunn I believe.

[Heartless]

i thought titus was doubtcasting the heartless clear?

it's not a bulletproof clear it's a "most parsimonious explanation is a clear"

[Titus]

Fire is apparently bonding with McMenno so it seems so, yeah.

Me and Bella and Heartless is a pretty good one though too, because it should link up the townblocks

There are no multiple townblocks. You're just looking to capture Heartless most likely.

[Titus]

i thought titus was doubtcasting the heartless clear?

it's not a bulletproof clear it's a "most parsimonious explanation is a clear"

Yes

[Eddiebyte]

vecna can you tell me with a straight face that jj was a counterwagon to shiqf with these vcs?

Spring Fever Mafia

Votecount 1.150:

jjh927 (4):

Firebringer

,

Vecna

,

Titus

,

EddieByte

Dunnstral (3): Bellaphant, Heartless, Fro99er
Titus (3): Dunnstral, Randomidget, Transcend
Vecna (2): Mcmenno, Aelita

Spring Fever Mafia

Votecount 1.156:

Titus (5): Dunnstral, Randomidget, Transcend,

Vecna

, Fro99er
jjh927 (4):

Firebringer

,

EddieByte

,

Aelita

,

Titus

Dunnstral (2): Bellaphant, Heartless
Vecna (1): Mcmenno
Mcmenno (1): jjh927

Spring Fever Mafia

Votecount 1.168:

jjh927 (4):

Firebringer

,

EddieByte

,

Aelita

,

Alisae

Shiqf (3): Transcend,

Titus

, Dunnstral
Titus (2): Randomidget,

Vecna

Dunnstral (2): Bellaphant, Heartless
Vecna (1): Mcmenno
Mcmenno (1): jjh927
Transcend (1): Fro99er
Gorkington (1): Gorkington,

Spring Fever Mafia

Votecount 1.187:

Shiqf (9): Transcend, Dunnstral, Mcmenno,

Vecna

,

EddieByte

,

Titus

, Fro99er,

Aelita

,

Alisae

Titus (2): Randomidget, jjh927
Dunnstral (2): Bellaphant, Heartless
jjh927 (1):

Firebringer

Gorkington (1): Gorkington,

i bolded the names of everyone who voted for jj and literally every name besides firebringer's was on both shiqf and jj

isnt the point behind townreading a cw to scum that scum were wagonning someone else because they didn't want to bus? like

i haven't been townreading jj via play and the fact that him being a cw became a talking point for him as town is really fucking sketchy because it's just................ not even true. and like townreading someone for something like that is so fucking lazy because you don't actually have to focus on engaging on reading someone, you can just look at the votecounts and bs some read which is really easy for scum to do.

so can you tell me where this read is coming from, vecna? what about his play is townie?

like i need to see some sort of genuine thought process from you because if you're actually town here then it says a lot about the gamestate. when we were dueling wagons no one was really doing anything to push us forward, which makes me think that scum weren't putting much effort to stop it. the thing is though, I'm townreading most of your wagon (Mcmenno is basically the closest thing to a scumread?) - this tells me that if you're scum, theyre expecting people to get dissuaded by your push and jump onto me OR that you're town and scum don't want to interfere with the gamestate.

having some sort of idea of which is accurate will mean a fuckton for advancing through the gamestate imo and gives me a starting point for who i want to look into as suspects at this point

[Eddiebyte]

as for the other wagons i dont really find any of them compelling besides jj, titus i'm fairly sure is viewing the gamestate the same way i am and i can kind of empathize with her here which, the way things are, is a HUGE towntell

mcmenno is just meh and i'd feel dishonest voting for him because i really do not have an opinion here.

[Eddiebyte]

titus why are you voting vecna again

[Titus]

titus why are you voting vecna again

My scumreads aren't getting lynched today. Vecna went back to yuck posting and I largely don't give a shit since the things that need to happen for my reads to move aren't happening.

[Eddiebyte]

Also i havent seen a single game where you do not defend your townreafs titus. Youve been defending heart, giga, dunn and a bunch of other people.

You actively tried to stop dunn's lynch. You actively shaded me for my scumreads on the active posters.

Your defensing and shading is selective.

No shit. I protect town and lynch scum. By definition that's selective.

This post reeks.

yeah this was a bad post but i'm oddly ok with the way he's waffling on me?

titus why are you voting vecna again

My scumreads aren't getting lynched today. Vecna went back to yuck posting and I largely don't give a shit since the things that need to happen for my reads to move aren't happening.

oh ok

honestly i dont even know any more

[Eddiebyte]

trans can you talk to me actually

i'm already using jj to interact with vecna so i dont really want to repeat that so do you have anything to ask me?

[jjh927]

Between the last two votecounts there, Frog and McMenno also voted me before people started switching to shiqf. I got to L-3, Transcend started defending me when McMenno voted me, and then McMenno switched to shiqf. That's when the shiqf wagon really started to take momentum.

[jjh927]

So yeah, I think McMenno was trying to set me up as the counterwagon before Transcend stepped in.

[jjh927]

Pages of interest are 172 and 173

[Titus]

I actually think that jjh was a counterwagon to shiqf as well. But it was scum scum wagons. Just because one wagon flips town doesn't necessarily clear the other, and relying on this is sketchy.

[Eddiebyte]

Between the last two votecounts there, Frog and McMenno also voted me before people started switching to shiqf. I got to L-3, Transcend started defending me when McMenno voted me, and then McMenno switched to shiqf. That's when the shiqf wagon really started to take momentum.

yeah i wasnt going to read the pages but that just proves my point even more

the people who voted for you also voted for shiqf

so townreading you for being a cw is just outright wrong??

that doesn't make you scum it just means that the reads on you actually need to solidify which is what i'm trying to focus on right now

So yeah, I think McMenno was trying to set me up as the counterwagon before Transcend stepped in.

hold on then let me look at the actual pages then?

Pages of interest are 172 and 173

thanks

I actually think that jjh was a counterwagon to shiqf as well. But it was scum scum wagons. Just because one wagon flips town doesn't necessarily clear the other, and relying on this is sketchy.

wouldnt that mean that different people would be voting for jj than shiqf??

[Eddiebyte]

why does mafiascum do that thing where when you click submit it just takes you to the latest posts and doesnt post your post

[Titus]

Between the last two votecounts there, Frog and McMenno also voted me before people started switching to shiqf. I got to L-3, Transcend started defending me when McMenno voted me, and then McMenno switched to shiqf. That's when the shiqf wagon really started to take momentum.

yeah i wasnt going to read the pages but that just proves my point even more

the people who voted for you also voted for shiqf

so townreading you for being a cw is just outright wrong??

that doesn't make you scum it just means that the reads on you actually need to solidify which is what i'm trying to focus on right now

So yeah, I think McMenno was trying to set me up as the counterwagon before Transcend stepped in.

hold on then let me look at the actual pages then?

Pages of interest are 172 and 173

thanks

I actually think that jjh was a counterwagon to shiqf as well. But it was scum scum wagons. Just because one wagon flips town doesn't necessarily clear the other, and relying on this is sketchy.

wouldnt that mean that different people would be voting for jj than shiqf??

Yes, but I cannot recall the votes exactly as I haven't started to do VCA. (That's not until tomorrow, but I'll likely leave notes in Aelita's bond PT.)

[Fro99er]

So yeah, I think McMenno was trying to set me up as the counterwagon before Transcend stepped in.

I can see this.

[jjh927]

Unofficial VC, but I'm 99.9% sure this is accurate.

jjh927 (6): Firebringer, EddieByte, Aelita, Alisae, Titus, Fro99er
Shiqf (6): Transcend, Dunnstral, McMenno, Vecna, Eddiebyte, jjh927
Titus (1): Randomidget
Dunnstral (2): Bellaphant, Heartless
Vecna (0):
Mcmenno (1): jjh927
Gorkington (1): Gorkington
Alisae (0):
Firebringer (0):
EddieByte (0):
Fro99er (0):
Heartless (0):
Randomidget (0):
Aelita (0):
Bellaphant (0):

Not Voting: Shiqf,

Try this