Mini 1904: Rad Idea Mafia! (Endgame!)

[gerryoat]

Vote Chi, Gerry.

gonna give her a chance to explain more

[Radical Rat]

Hey guys, I'm actually thinking that someone that threw away a mafia card could be mafia that got all 3 mafia cards. (or at least 2 mafia cards and a 3rd party) I seriously doubt they'd choose 3rd party unless it's like lyncher or something, but idk. I mostly think this because of odds.

There is no lyncher, but I agree that discarding scum does not clear anyone.

Why don't you think they'd choose third party though?

because third party would be harder to win as. you'd be by yourself, when as mafia at least you'd have a group to work with.

A valid point, but clearly some people do it anyway, as they still crop up in Idea games.

[Ircher]

Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.

Or reckless town me.

[gerryoat]

Welcome aboard Riley!
3p means 3rd Party, which is just any alignment not on a team. Serial Killer and Survivor for instance. His role fits well with that I think.

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.


Side note: I just realized I got post 69. Nice.

HEY!!! howdja know ircher's a serial eater or a survivysies?

Well, his role is a huge liability to have for Town, and a huge boon for scum. However his play also seems to be reckless and selfish, quite unbecoming of someone on a team. So either he's third party or the only one a scumteam, in which case he might as well be.

Or reckless town me.

dont like this post. sound like youre trying to convince yourself that you are town.

[Riley Cake]

CHICKADEE I THINK I WILL TRUST YA!!! but i'm watchin' ya closely, alrightsies?

[McMenno]

will get to this

[SlySly]

Alright, but you realize this is a game of psychological manipulation.

All of your posts feel, to me, like you are trying to be psychologically manipulative.

Walk me through this.

There's nothing specific I'm thinking of, her posts are just sending me shifty vibes. Just like 258-263 gives me the squirming vibe.

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This is a blatant lie. I refuse to believe that someone who's been on site for over five years honestly didn't know what a mason was.

This is good humor for me. I play exclusively weird games. The only normal games I've played were what was required to play in theme games. I've seen town/mafia masonries for a long time. You can find it in my wiki. I took a hiatus for 4+ years and was scolded about this upon my return. That's why I gave the mod the \m/ earlier.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why shouldn't I be asking about alignments?
It's vague enough that the really strong PRs remain undercover, but there's plenty of reads to be gathered from how people answer that question.

If such a world exists where you aren't scum, who is then and why?

Rat - fishing for info with the alignments. It doesn't sit right with me.



All claiming to have only drawn town cards:
Rauth
Vanilla
Ircher

At LEAST one of them is lying. The odds of all of them drawing all town cards is very slim. We've talked about this. They're on my watch list.

Looks to me like my "fishing for info" is serving its purpose just fine. So why doesn't it sit right with you?

Also you left Gerry off that list. Any particular reason why?

Ah, yea, seems I did. Gerry should be on that list as well.

Honestly forgot Gerry was in this game when making that list. Should have double checked.

I went back and ISO'd though. I would even put him in one of my top scum reads.

Are you kidding me?? One of the few games where i'm actually engaged early and giving off my thoughts and i'm forgettable still lol, can't wait to hear the reason for me being a top scumread tho

@Mod: v/LA until the 5th. Not really in a good place right now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not sure why that quote ended up there.

[Chickadee]

I asked WHY the info I'm fishing for is scummy.
And yes, this is a game of manipulation but what bothers me is that when Sly said you seemed manipulative,

your response read as acknowledging that you were attempting to manipulate.

I will match your unvote until we get this sorted out however.
UNVOTE:

Not my intention regarding the bolded.


I guess I'll try to explain better. Mostly, it doesn't sit right with me that you asked everyone for this information, but didn't offer it up yourself.




I read the rest of your ISO and I'm inclined to think you're town. I was too focused on that one bit. And I think you're onto something suspecting Ircher.

[TiphaineDeath]

Yeaaaah, everybody hop on VOTE: ircher

[gerryoat]

I asked WHY the info I'm fishing for is scummy.
And yes, this is a game of manipulation but what bothers me is that when Sly said you seemed manipulative,

your response read as acknowledging that you were attempting to manipulate.

I will match your unvote until we get this sorted out however.
UNVOTE:

Not my intention regarding the bolded.


I guess I'll try to explain better. Mostly, it doesn't sit right with me that you asked everyone for this information, but didn't offer it up yourself.




I read the rest of your ISO and I'm inclined to think you're town. I was too focused on that one bit. And I think you're onto something suspecting Ircher.

you said you think i'm scum, but haven't voted me yet, i don't think. why?

[Chickadee]

I asked WHY the info I'm fishing for is scummy.
And yes, this is a game of manipulation but what bothers me is that when Sly said you seemed manipulative,

your response read as acknowledging that you were attempting to manipulate.

I will match your unvote until we get this sorted out however.
UNVOTE:

Not my intention regarding the bolded.


I guess I'll try to explain better. Mostly, it doesn't sit right with me that you asked everyone for this information, but didn't offer it up yourself.




I read the rest of your ISO and I'm inclined to think you're town. I was too focused on that one bit. And I think you're onto something suspecting Ircher.

you said you think i'm scum, but haven't voted me yet, i don't think. why?

My vote has been on Radical Rat this whole time. I just unvoted him.

Would you like me to vote you?

I just haven't felt the need yet. I'd really like some other people in the game to show up, so I can get better reads on everyone. Until then, anything I do is just going to be nitpicking over all the same information we already have.

[JerryArr]

@Mod: v/LA until the 5th. Not really in a good place right now.

No problem.

Also, SnarkySnowman has been prodded.

[Radical Rat]

Hey guys, nice to see we're getting right into things.

Acting pro-town is not LAMIST. LAMIST usually implies a lack of content except to claim Town. Ircher is probably 3p.

Now then. I want to know the ALIGNMENTS of all three of everyone's cards.

Mine were two aliens and one Town.

Didn't offer it up myself, eh?
I'm going to have to ask you to read more carefully from here on out, but you're making a lot more sense now at least.

Back to Ircher it is then.
VOTE: Ircher

I can do an ISO run if anyone needs it but the short version is:
Compulsive Vig + Death threats based on OMGUS = Up to no good

[Radical Rat]

Yeaaaah, everybody hop on VOTE: ircher

This smells opportunistic to me though.
Tiphaine, you've been mostly quiet and now you jump on a wagon as soon as it looks like it could gain traction?

Granted, it is an excellent wagon to jump on, but what are your thoughts? Who are your other scumreads?

[Chickadee]

Hey guys, nice to see we're getting right into things.

Acting pro-town is not LAMIST. LAMIST usually implies a lack of content except to claim Town. Ircher is probably 3p.

Now then. I want to know the ALIGNMENTS of all three of everyone's cards.

Mine were two aliens and one Town.

Didn't offer it up myself, eh?
I'm going to have to ask you to read more carefully from here on out, but you're making a lot more sense now at least.

Back to Ircher it is then.
VOTE: Ircher

I can do an ISO run if anyone needs it but the short version is:
Compulsive Vig + Death threats based on OMGUS = Up to no good

Ah..I really don't know why I'm missing so much this game. It's really not like me.



Tiphane's vote seems very opportunistic to me as well. However, I still think think it's worth sticking with Ircher for now.

VOTE: Ircher

[Chickadee]

And since you offered up your information, I was given town, SK, and werewolf alignment cards.

[TiphaineDeath]

The-fucking-balls

Was that coordinated bullshit theater?

Am I dreaming, Hello? UNVOTE:

Need to go read Chickadee/Radical Rat, back sometime tomorrow...

[Radical Rat]

The-fucking-balls

Was that coordinated bullshit theater?

Am I dreaming, Hello? UNVOTE:

Need to go read Chickadee/Radical Rat, back sometime tomorrow...

You've made literally five posts in over 11 pages, and only three before the vote. I don't think asking for more than a naked vote is out of the question.

[TiphaineDeath]

If you honestly think that is the problem, then you need to re-examine your life, your brain, your decisions, and the last dozen or so posts.

[Riley Cake]

TIPHAINE!!!! TELL ME WHATCHA MEAN BY THAT!!!!!!

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

Tiphane's vote seems very opportunistic to me as well. However, I still think it's worth sticking with Ircher for now.

VOTE: Ircher

I really can't see Ircher as scum here. I have reason to believe his role choice was actually his alignment ability and we can work on proving that tonight. And RR isn't flipping anything but town imo.

I don't agree that it was TvT with you 2, and out of the players I favour my vote on you right now.

I can't understand how Tiphane has an opportunity vote, yet you are voting where he is.
In fact, your vote can look as an opportunity. You seem to have dropped Gerry off the target list since he doesn't seem appealing to anyone else, but Ircher looks like a nice target for you to flow with.

VOTE: Chickadee

[Rautherdir]

Spoiler: Discards

Mini 1904 has officially begun! The following is the list of discards.

McMenno =

Two-shot Bulletproof Survivor

Rautherdir =

Town Ascetic

1 Shot Vanilla Town =

Town Private Investigator

Radical Rat =

Alien Prober

SnarkySnowman =

Town Gravedigger

TiphaineDeath =

Town Innocent Child

IAlwaysWinSometimes =

Alien Doppelganger

Ircher =

Town One-shot Commuter

Chickadee =

Werewolf

Lil Uzi Vert =

Town Miller

Necta =

Replicant Bloodsucker

gerryoat =

Watchlisted Townie

SlySly =

Werewolf Hooker

List of all Relevant Claims:

Spoiler: McMenno

oh and I'm ascetic ftr

If telling the truth, you are an Ascetic Mason

I have a mason buddy that can confirm if necessary.

Look my cards were town bloodhound, mafia ascetic mason and 2shot BP survivor. The mafia and survivor alignments were off the table as I'm not good at being mafia and site meta is survivors get policy lynched. I chose ascetic mason over 2shot BP as I don't get nightkilled very often and I thought it would shore up my weakness of being scumread often.

If telling the truth, you are either:
A Mafia Bloodhound, (Investigative action that provides town or not-town, Factional Kill, Factional Chat)
or a Town Ascetic Mason (Immune to all non-kill night actions, shares a PT with any other masons)

Spoiler: Rautherdir

I know that I for one drew all cards of the same alignment.
Also, you can't get town compulsive vig without also having another town card to serve as the alignment

I drew three town roles and am not Ascetic.

Spoiler: 1 Shot Vanilla Town

I received 3 town roles.
But given if I confirm them before others both of my hidden roles are unique.

If telling the truth, you are town and not a private investigator

Spoiler: Radical Rat

Hey guys, nice to see we're getting right into things.

Acting pro-town is not LAMIST. LAMIST usually implies a lack of content except to claim Town. Ircher is probably 3p.

Now then. I want to know the ALIGNMENTS of all three of everyone's cards. Mine were two aliens and one Town.

If telling the truth, you are either Town or Alien, and are not a Prober

Spoiler: SnarkySnowman

No information provided. You are not a Gravedigger.

Spoiler: TiphaineDeath

No information provided. You are not an Innocent Child.

Spoiler: IAlwaysWinSometimes/Riley Cake

No information provided. You are not a Doppelganger

Spoiler: Ircher

My role is compulsive, though not necessarily negative utility.

If telling the truth, you are a Compulsive Vigilante

Since Radical decided to out me, I drew the following cards:

1) VT
2) Town 1-Shot Commuter
3) Town Compulsive Vigilante

If telling the truth, you are either a Vanilla Townie or a Town Compulsive Vigilante (Must target a person to kill each night. If you fail to choose a target you probably target yourself).

Spoiler: Chickadee

And since you offered up your information, I was given town, SK, and werewolf alignment cards.

If telling the truth, you are either SK or Town.

Spoiler: Lil Uzi Vert

No information provided. You are not a miller.

Spoiler: Necta

No information provided. You are not a Bloodsucker.

Spoiler: gerryoat

I got all town roles too. I mean, obviously people are going to be lying, so i dont think that's something to scumread. the people who discarded a mafia card coulda got 2 mafia cards and took mafia as alignment. Also, I'm not sure if it would be done like this but im sure there was at least 2 people with all mafia roles, cause like what would happen if everyone chose town cards?

If telling the truth, you are town and are not watchlisted.

Spoiler: SlySly

My first card was Werewolf Hooker
I thought that was my alignment choices (Werewolf alignment) and (Hooker alignment)
So I picked Hooker(alignment) with the skill of one of my other cards.

After an explanation, I discarded what I saw as the Werewolf alignment card. I didn't realize I could use that card as a Hooker role was when I discarded it, though I'm sure it was explained properly. I didn't even know what the Hooker role was. My other 2 cards were town and I did know what the role is that I picked.

If telling the truth, you are town and are not a Hooker.

I'll be doing some math to see what the odds of this setup being possible. I will not release the math until after everyone claims their card alignments, however.
SnarkySnowman, TiphaineDeath, Riley Cake, Lil Uzi Vert, and Necta: You have yet to provide either your alignments or a valid reason not to.

While I was looking through I saw this though:

oh and I'm ascetic ftr

Explain ascetic to me. I'm special ed.

Never saw anyone answer this so:
Ascetic is a role modifier which causes the slot to reflexively roleblock any non-kill action targeting that slot at night.

[TiphaineDeath]

289 and 291 are both terrible, you put them together and they read an AWFUL lot like a bad scum team. The timing on them is just SO terrible. Like "Your vote was opportunistic, you need to explain it more, but yeah, totally down to vote with you before making you do either, let's go."

Also most of the time someone says something is TVT, whether they are in it or not, it is a scum-tell.

Chickadee also pinged me before back at 105.

I am ready to pretty confidently say this is scum VOTE: chickadee, and the rat might well be scum with her, though I was getting a town-vibe from the rat prior to this bullshit.

Seriously though, how in the balls was the vote on ircher opportunistic? I want someone to explain that to me, because I went and looked, and I see no real pressure on ircher, and definitely no votes. That reads as a line of bullshit to me.

And btw, rat, if you feel like reading my iso and combine it with the fact that prior to this fracas I was bored and didn't have any hard-reads yet, you'll figure out why I voted ircher real quick.