Mini 543 - Election Day - Game Over!

[opie]

Obviously I'm fine with my vote for farside22. And I understand the votes for Shanba. But the votes for QuickBen and Qman have me scratching my head.

[opie]

Rigel, here is the game Elias_the_thief was refering to:

Mini 515 - The Pine Barrens

That game was modded by Rishi and included:

hasdgfas
Elias_the_thief
Spider Jerusalem
mcpaltp
Boggzie
opie

In that game Elias_the_thief and hasdgfas were scum partners. Spider Jerusalem was killed Night One.

[Qman]

Obviously I'm fine with my vote for farside22. And I understand the votes for Shanba. But the votes for QuickBen and Qman have me scratching my head.

Holy said my avatar was cute. Duh. (That's really the whole reason as far as I know, since the vote won't change who gets immunity I'm not that worried.)

I'd be okay not lynching cow and lynching Akonas instead as they are my top two. We can always just lynch Hcow tomorrow if it comes to that, he will be my top suspect going into night though.

[Elias_the_thief]

I dont get either case.

[Holy]

since the vote won't change who gets immunity I'm not that worried.

Yep. I'm fine with either farside or Shanba, I just don't want to grant them personally with my vote >.> (uneasy feelings).

[farside22]

since the vote won't change who gets immunity I'm not that worried.

Yep. I'm fine with either farside or Shanba, I just don't want to grant them personally with my vote >.> (uneasy feelings).

May I ask why you are uneasy with voting but fine with either one of us getting immunity?

[Shanba]

Akonas: I don't feel that you're playing very pro-town. There have been many instances throughout the game where you've been criticized for your actions, and you never really seem to defend yourself.

...


All in all, I'm going to have to say that, if I had to vote today, I'd vote for Akonas. None of the bandwagons seem very strong, but I'm leaning towards his simply because he's not trying to defend himself as much as hasdgfas is. However, I don't like QuietBen's few posts--he's too quiet, ironically enough, and he's not really saying much. He's also very impulsive, which I don't get a good vibe from. However, there's no solid evidence for or against his lynch, so I'm going to stick with Akonas for the time being.

This is the extent of the reasoning for your vote for Akonas. I'm not going to pretend I'm blown away.
1)He hasn't acted pro-town
2)you've been criticised and haven't really defended yourself
3)His bandwagon is stronger than hasdgfas' because hasdgfas is defending himself more
4)There is no real evidence for a Quickben lynch.

Rigel, these accusations are unsupported. Please state where you believe he hasn't acted pro-town, and which accusations he hasn't answered. Cause to me, it looks like he's put an awful lot more effort into defending himself than has has.

[Akonas]

Akonas:

I don't feel that you're playing very pro-town. There have been many instances throughout the game where you've been criticized for your actions, and you never really seem to defend yourself.

Excuse me? I've been defending myself somewhat. You haven't been defending yourself. What exactly have I not responded to yet?

All in all, I'm going to have to say that, if I had to vote today, I'd vote for Akonas. None of the bandwagons seem very strong, but I'm leaning towards his simply because he's not trying to defend himself as much as hasdgfas is. However, I don't like QuietBen's few posts--he's too quiet, ironically enough, and he's not really saying much. He's also very impulsive, which I don't get a good vibe from. However, there's no solid evidence for or against his lynch, so I'm going to stick with Akonas for the time being.

Vote: Akonas

Not trying to defend myself as much? HAsdgfas hasn't been posting much at all, and the only defense I've seen from him recently has been that the case against him is entirely based on the fact that he asked for rules clarification (something I don't find scummy). However, I invite anyone here to look over the last few pages. Look at the amount of content, the amount of stuff I've said, and look at the amount hasdgfas has said. I find his lack of content disturbing. The only people I've seen hasdgfas talk about are himself and me, and a little bit about holy and farside. That's it. None of the "houghts on others should be coming soon." he promised back in post 174

Obviously I'm fine with my vote for farside22. And I understand the votes for Shanba. But the votes for QuickBen and Qman have me scratching my head.

Holy said my avatar was cute. Duh. (That's really the whole reason as far as I know, since the vote won't change who gets immunity I'm not that worried.)

I'd be okay not lynching cow and lynching Akonas instead as they are my top two. We can always just lynch Hcow tomorrow if it comes to that, he will be my top suspect going into night though.

Geez. I don't think that lynching me so that you can lynch hasdgfas tomorrow is all that great of a strategy... consider who you would actually most like to have killed. New information will surely come up tomorrow, and you want tomorrow to be more than just a quicklynch. Please please PLEASE at least just think the lynch through.

[Rishi]

Deadline in a little under six hours...

[farside22]

Akonas:

I don't feel that you're playing very pro-town. There have been many instances throughout the game where you've been criticized for your actions, and you never really seem to defend yourself.

Excuse me? I've been defending myself somewhat. You haven't been defending yourself. What exactly have I not responded to yet?

All in all, I'm going to have to say that, if I had to vote today, I'd vote for Akonas. None of the bandwagons seem very strong, but I'm leaning towards his simply because he's not trying to defend himself as much as hasdgfas is. However, I don't like QuietBen's few posts--he's too quiet, ironically enough, and he's not really saying much. He's also very impulsive, which I don't get a good vibe from. However, there's no solid evidence for or against his lynch, so I'm going to stick with Akonas for the time being.

Vote: Akonas

Not trying to defend myself as much? HAsdgfas hasn't been posting much at all, and the only defense I've seen from him recently has been that the case against him is entirely based on the fact that he asked for rules clarification (something I don't find scummy). However, I invite anyone here to look over the last few pages. Look at the amount of content, the amount of stuff I've said, and look at the amount hasdgfas has said. I find his lack of content disturbing. The only people I've seen hasdgfas talk about are himself and me, and a little bit about holy and farside. That's it. None of the "houghts on others should be coming soon." he promised back in post 174

Obviously I'm fine with my vote for farside22. And I understand the votes for Shanba. But the votes for QuickBen and Qman have me scratching my head.

Holy said my avatar was cute. Duh. (That's really the whole reason as far as I know, since the vote won't change who gets immunity I'm not that worried.)

I'd be okay not lynching cow and lynching Akonas instead as they are my top two. We can always just lynch Hcow tomorrow if it comes to that, he will be my top suspect going into night though.

Geez. I don't think that lynching me so that you can lynch hasdgfas tomorrow is all that great of a strategy... consider who you would actually most like to have killed. New information will surely come up tomorrow, and you want tomorrow to be more than just a quicklynch. Please please PLEASE at least just think the lynch through.

I don't know why, but I don't think you are scum. Some of the case I saw against you I just didn't agree with completely. Personally I think you have made more comments and thoughts about scum and play then a few others. I don't trust you, but my gut says you are not scum. My votes has waffled between Quick Ben and h-cow. H-cow hasn't really said much in so far as scum hunting and neither has Quick Ben. H-cow pointed out a case on you, which I felt was a way to deflect votes on a person he felt he could get votes against more then he thinking you were scum. I wish I could explain this better. It is really just all gut feeling in what is said more then anything. Tonight is the night to vote. So if anyone else wants to share thoughts they had or why it would be helpful.

[Elias_the_thief]

I agree with Farside, insofar as I dont agree with the case on Akonas. Though I dont really agree with the case on cow either. I think I'll vote for him though, on the basis of the NK of SJ, as I really dont have anything better to do with my vote, and it looks as if he'll be lynched anyhow.

[Rishi]

It is now Election Day! The thread is closed.

Final Immunity Count

*farside22 – 4 (hasdgfas, Qman, Elias_the_thief, opie)

Shanba – 2 (ibaesha, farside22)
QuickBen – 1 (Akonas)
Qman – 1 (Holy)
Holy – 1 (QuickBen)

Not voting: Shanba, Rigel

EVERYONE must submit a vote to me. You may vote for No Lynch, but you may not vote for farside22.

If you do not submit a vote, you will be prodded during the night. And I will seek replacements as necessary. If no one player receives a majority of votes during Election Day, then there will be a run-off election. The thread will be open for one week during the run-off.

Please PM me if you have any questions.

[Rishi]

Gorgon replaces ibaesha, effective immediately.

[Rishi]

The wait was excruciating. What was taking so long in counting the votes? Still, nothing was coming through on the television. And, even if it did, who really wanted to watch seven weeks of American Idol auditions and American Gladiators?

The town has fallen on hard times. Some people remember the last time the town had a Mafia problem. A new person asks, "What happens now?"

An old timer says, "Well, after the lynching, we find out the person was really a townie. Then, the Mafia kill. We lynch another townie. And so on and so forth, until the Mafia kill us all."

The new person says, "If you all died last time, how are you alive now?"

The old timer says, "Didn't you ever see Pushing Daisies? Or Battlestar Galactica? Or Heroes? There's tons of explanations. But I'm tired and don't feel like making any of them right now."

The new person continues, "Fair enough. But, why can't we lynch Mafia."

The old timer thinks for a moment and finally responds, "Well, theoretically, I suppose we can. It just hasn't happened before."

Finally, the votes are read.

Day 1 Vote Count

hasdgfas - 6 (Rigel, opie, farside22, Elias_the_thief, Qman, Akonas)
Rigel - 2 (Shanba, Gorgon)
Akonas - 2 (hasdgfas, Holy)
opie - 1 (QuickBen)

The old timer says, "Time for a lynching! This is my favorite part!" Then he gets quiet and said, "I mean. This is a terrible thing we're doing. But necessary."

A search of the body reveals Sopranos DVDs, a New Jersey driver's license, a gun and a pocket guide to Italian hand gestures.

The new person says, "Wow. He must be a really cleverly disguised townie, then."

The old timer turns to the heavens and says, "My god! We did it! We finally caught one! We finally caught one!"

Most everyone goes to bed, soundly sleeping. But the troubles continue.

hasdgfas, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 1

Get your night choices in ASAP! I'd like to start Day 2 as soon as I can.

[Rishi]

A beautiful morning in your little town. Get up. Have a cup of coffee. Turn on the news. Oh right. No television.

Yesterday, you caught scum. You dream of a great day, in your new scum-free world.

But then, Rigel turns up dead, stuffed full of TV Guides with a bizarre sign labeled "Preview of things to come."

Guess the horror hasn't ended. But, come on, back me up, guys. Lynching is really the best part, right?

Rigel, Townie, Killed Night 1

It is now Day 2! Nine players live.

Election Day will occur automatically on March 1 at noon EST.

Five votes are required to open the polls early.

[hasdgfas]

I would like to say... "Bah"

[farside22]

First hi all and good job. This is not an easy game. I do have one question so far.

@Gorgon

Since you replaced a non exsistant player why did you decide to vote against Rigel?

[Rishi]

I would like to say... "Bah"

No. Cows go moo. Sheep go baa.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled game.

[Elias_the_thief]

Beast mode. Now to look back on day one and look for connections.

[Shanba]

Hm.

Now that's interesting.

I love having dead scum, it makes things so much easier.

[opie]

The only vote that really stood out to me was Rigel's. His vote for hasdgfas seemed incongruous to what (little) he had said earlier. Because of that, he was going to be my top scum candidate going into today.

I'm going to have to do another reread.

I too would like to hear from Gorgon to hear his thoughts on the game thus far.

[Gorgon]

My reasons for voting Rigel?

- He started off by saying that the vig kill was lucky for scum, and speculating about the existence of a doc.

- Post 3: "I'm going to try and see if I can pick out any scum via a re-read." Promising to reread in order to 'pick out scum' is something I've done myself as scum.

- Post 5: "Akonas: I don't feel that you're playing very pro-town. There have been many instances throughout the game where you've been criticized for your actions, and you never really seem to defend yourself. " ... merely a restatement of the fact that Akonas had been 'criticized'. Although I must admit that Rigel made some good points in that point, especially regarding Boggzie. The fact remains that Rigel ended up 'voting' for Akonas, on what I don't see what are strong grounds.

- Followed opie a lot of the time, although he did admit it. Generally was prone to rehash others' opinions.

My top suspect right now has to be Elias. I don't feel that Boggzie was very useful in this game; I've been in a game with him before, and he was much more assertive and aggressive back then. His "Incorrect vibes" comment was also quite bad, IMO. Also, Elias ended up voting scum hasdgfas on some pretty weak grounds, while explicitly stating that it looked like he was getting lynched anyway. Looks to me like likely last-minute distancing.

[farside22]

I was surprised to see that Boggzie played this game before. Was the game mechanics different? I didn't play so I was curious to know. I think it would be odd for the Mod to make the same 2 people scum again. Not impossible just odd.

Holy can I get an answer to the question I asked before the day was over. I'm just curious on your thought process.

May I ask why you are uneasy with voting but fine with either one of us getting immunity?

[opie]

Okay, reread done, made possible your you friendly neighborhood blizzard.

Here are some initial thoughts after Day One/Night One. Now that hasdgfas turned up scum, I can't ignore Akonas' comments regarding the farside22/hasdgfas connection. Here are the connections that I see as significant (many, if not all of these points have been made by others, Akonas in particular):
Post 26 farside22 random votes immunity for hasdgfas

Maybe not so random?

After Akonas's self-immunity, hasdgfas and farside22 are the first two players to vote for immunity

Focusing on who's not scum rather than who is

Post 52 hasdgfas confronts Holy's comments on farside22's FOS at Akonas with WIFOM.

Could be considered hasdgfas defending farside22

Post 62 hasdgfas votes immunity for farside22

Building scum partner support?

Post 96 farside22 "votes" for hasdgfas

Occurs after Akonas draws a connection between the two. Is this a distancing vote?

Post 148 farside22 lists his top three scum candidates as Qman, Boggzie, QuickBen

Noticibly absent from this list: hasdgfas

Post 167 farside22 new list of top scum are hasdgfas and Boggzie

Not sure why hasdgfas disappeared and returned

Post 222 farside22 vote would be for QuickBen
Post 231 farside22 would vote for QuickBen or hasdgfas

Those last few posts I note because farside22 kept leaving hasdgfas and coming back to him. These things filtered through farside22's pushing people who they would vote for could be considered sticking his finger in the air to determine if there truly was a hasdgfas wagon growing, which would be difficult to tell because of the game mechanics.

That said, farside22 has done a lot to move this game forward which is why I voted for him for immunity. As of now if I had to gamble, I would pick farside22 as pro-town, but these things I noted make me slightly uneasy and will be in the back of my mind as we proceed

I also remain suspicious of Akonas but a little less so. There still exists the same concerns I mentioned in Day One but upon rereading, I think he has helped move discussion forward and he was on the hasdgfas wagon.

Wait what?! opie, why would that count for Akonas but against farside22? Well, Akonas attack on hasdgfas came too early, was too focused, and too harsh I think to be considered a distancing tactic or a bus tactic.

I'm also suspicious of QuickBen. First is his lurky behavior. In Post 28 he wanted to keep voting a secret. But in Post 89 changes position because he misunderstood the rules. In Post 151 in response to accusations of lurking, says that he's been around but hasn't had anything to say. But when pressed in Post 153 calls me out for attacking lurkers. In Post 187 votes immunity for Holy. Explains in Post 196 responds that it is a gut feeling. None of this sits well with me. Other than Post 153 he has contributed little to this game.

Out of the others in the lurker class (Elias_the_thief, Gorgon, Qman) I find QuickBen to be the most suspicious. And with Elias_the_thief replacing and the death of Rigel, that class is getting smaller.

[Elias_the_thief]

I'm a lurker now? What the hell? I posted like yesterday. And I was posting with a good amount of frequency yesterday too...

In response to Gorgons suspicion, I'd like to remind you that from the beginning Hasdgfas was in my group of maybe vote fors, which was pretty small. There was nothing last minute about my vote. I said that I didnt really like the case on him, this is because it was weak. My main reason for voting him was that he was scum with me in that previous game and knew that NKing Spider was a good choice. It could well have been the others from that previous game, but the fact that he was scum in that game made me think that he would appreciate the usefulness of the kill more.

I am not very suspicious of Akonas. The case on him sucked yesterday, and his full support of the Hasdgfas wagon only reinforces his townness.