Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER


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Post Post #2425 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 1:18 pm

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Votecount 4.8


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- Titus, WhemeStar, implosion
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- Kop,


Not Voting
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IAlwaysWinSometimes, MathBlade, Not_Mafia, GuyInFreezer,

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

(expired on 2017-05-02 17:38:30)



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Post Post #2426 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 3:25 pm

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VOTE: Not_Mafia
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Post Post #2427 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 4:35 pm

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I will be giving an extension, deadline will be paused and will last for 48 hours after a replacement for Kop is found.
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Post Post #2428 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:11 pm

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In post 2425, Shaziro wrote:
Votecount 4.8


Votes

Not_Mafia (3)
- Titus, WhemeStar, implosion
GuyInFreezer (1)
- Kop,


Not Voting
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IAlwaysWinSometimes, MathBlade, Not_Mafia, GuyInFreezer,

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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Alrighty. Now we KNOW scum are trying to lynch Not_Mafia. Assume two scum. Then all but one Town has to be on scum to lynch scum. I am Town. GuyInFreezer I townread.

This means mathematically scum HAVE to be voting NotMafia unless you think NotMafia Kop.

Get your votes off of NotMafia.
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Post Post #2429 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 5:19 pm

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This means mathematically scum HAVE to be voting NotMafia unless you think NotMafia Kop.
The "mathematically" here relies on you being town, and so is not applicable to say globally!!!!!

incidentally nm+kop is also my second-most-likely scumteam right now!!!
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Post Post #2430 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 6:06 pm

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Like really.

If your supposedly-neutral-POV argument for not lynching NM is "I'm town and there's no way he's scum unless he's scum with Kop"

then uh... you might not be town, and he might be scum with Kop?

I agree scum are relatively unlikely to bus here but my two biggest scumspects for scum with him are not voting for him.

Really wish Kop-replacement-to-be-named and/or NM and/or Wheme and/or GiF would say anything of relevance...
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Post Post #2431 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 6:27 pm

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Hikari Link replaces Kop, effective immediately.
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Post Post #2432 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 6:34 pm

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UNVOTE: GuyInFreezer

Hey, everybody! Nice to meet you all.

I am reading the thread as we speak. Currently on Page 7. Want to read it all, but I'm not 100% sure I'll have time. Anyone want to get me up to speed, ask me any questions, or tell me anything I should know in the meantime?
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Post Post #2433 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 6:40 pm

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Follow-up question. I haven't played Mafia in a really, really long time. Could somebody tell me how many (or at least the ballpark range of) Mafia members there usually are for a game this size?
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Post Post #2434 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 6:43 pm

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oh my god someone who might be active.

Current state of the game is we've massclaimed. Titus claims doc, IAWS is cop (who got a guilty on the now-dead traitor night one), and IAWS is also neighbors with GuyInFreezer (along with havingfitz, who is dead). WhemeStar is a fruit vendor, confirmedly. Everyone else is claiming VT. We also know mafia have a roleblocker, as both Wheme and IAWS have been blocked (it's possible that MathBlade will still want to argue that there's an ascetic but i don't think it's tenable).

There's a wagon on Not_Mafia for reasons I outlined .

My personal reads are that that slot is scum with either MathBlade or your slot.

There are almost certainly 3 mafia members, including the traitor. 3:10 is standard in mini normals these days.
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Post Post #2435 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 6:50 pm

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In post 2434, implosion wrote:oh my god someone who might be active.

Current state of the game is we've massclaimed. Titus claims doc, IAWS is cop (who got a guilty on the now-dead traitor night one), and IAWS is also neighbors with GuyInFreezer (along with havingfitz, who is dead). WhemeStar is a fruit vendor, confirmedly. Everyone else is claiming VT. We also know mafia have a roleblocker, as both Wheme and IAWS have been blocked (it's possible that MathBlade will still want to argue that there's an ascetic but i don't think it's tenable).

There's a wagon on Not_Mafia for reasons I outlined .

My personal reads are that that slot is scum with either MathBlade or your slot.

There are almost certainly 3 mafia members, including the traitor. 3:10 is standard in mini normals these days.
Thanks! That massclaim actually helps a ton with my reading. Rest assured, I will be very active until I'm dead. That's just how I do things.

Have you guys already analyzed the possibility that anybody was lying about their claim? If so, what were the results?

Also, am I understanding correctly that there are three neighbors?
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Post Post #2436 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 6:54 pm

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Sorry, forgot to claim. Vanilla Townie.
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Post Post #2437 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:20 pm

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In post 2435, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 2434, implosion wrote:oh my god someone who might be active.

Current state of the game is we've massclaimed. Titus claims doc, IAWS is cop (who got a guilty on the now-dead traitor night one), and IAWS is also neighbors with GuyInFreezer (along with havingfitz, who is dead). WhemeStar is a fruit vendor, confirmedly. Everyone else is claiming VT. We also know mafia have a roleblocker, as both Wheme and IAWS have been blocked (it's possible that MathBlade will still want to argue that there's an ascetic but i don't think it's tenable).

There's a wagon on Not_Mafia for reasons I outlined .

My personal reads are that that slot is scum with either MathBlade or your slot.

There are almost certainly 3 mafia members, including the traitor. 3:10 is standard in mini normals these days.
Thanks! That massclaim actually helps a ton with my reading. Rest assured, I will be very active until I'm dead. That's just how I do things.

Have you guys already analyzed the possibility that anybody was lying about their claim? If so, what were the results?

Also, am I understanding correctly that there are three neighbors?
We haven't finished the mass claim. Your slot has a possibility of being scum in my logic, so I suppose we dance. I saw Nacho liked you in the queue. Fair warning, I'm an oddball.
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Post Post #2438 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:34 pm

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In post 2437, Titus wrote:We haven't finished the mass claim. Your slot has a possibility of being scum in my logic, so I suppose we dance. I saw Nacho liked you in the queue. Fair warning, I'm an oddball.
The massclaim isn't done? Implosion said everybody else claimed VT. How many people haven't made a direct claim yet?
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Post Post #2439 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:41 pm

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Could somebody please explain to me what "NIA" means? I keep seeing that abbreviation and it confuses me. Can't find it on the wiki or through Google.
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Post Post #2440 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:41 pm

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Sorry, "NAI."
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Post Post #2441 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:43 pm

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In post 2440, Hikari Link wrote:Sorry, "NAI."
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Post Post #2442 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:44 pm

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In post 2438, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 2437, Titus wrote:We haven't finished the mass claim. Your slot has a possibility of being scum in my logic, so I suppose we dance. I saw Nacho liked you in the queue. Fair warning, I'm an oddball.
The massclaim isn't done? Implosion said everybody else claimed VT. How many people haven't made a direct claim yet?
I think Math.
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Post Post #2443 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:45 pm

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Can you focus on GiF? I'm pretty sure he's town but I have nagging doubts.
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Post Post #2444 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:52 pm

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Thanks for both of those! I feel like I used to know that back in the day. I'm really surprised that's not on the wiki.

Is MathBlade the only one then?

I'm trying to get everybody. I'd rather not tunnel on him specifically and miss anything. That said, my initial hunch is scum, just based on the fact that the group are Neighbors, rather than Masons. Granted, that could be exactly what Shaziro wants us to think and that kind of WIFOM is too next-level for me to even want to mess with.
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Post Post #2445 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 7:55 pm

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I think so. It's midnight though, so I apologize if wrong.

Are you headed to the CA meet? There's one coming up in a couple of months.
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Post Post #2446 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 8:03 pm

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In post 2445, Titus wrote:I think so. It's midnight though, so I apologize if wrong.

Are you headed to the CA meet? There's one coming up in a couple of months.
No worries, I understand. I'm sure I'll figure it out myself. Might have to start reading a little faster though. I've been doing some skipping around to give certain interactions context based on flips, but doing that properly would take forever.

As for the meetup, I've got Summer school during it, but it's pretty long, so I might. I'm pretty extroverted though, so it'll depend on my mood and how many friends I end up making who are planning to be there.
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Post Post #2447 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 8:21 pm

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Has anybody mentioned Darklyn's soft-claim of Fruit Vendor in his second post? I'm not saying it's relevant, but maybe it is? Something you guys might want to discuss while I'm catching up, if you haven't already.
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Post Post #2448 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 8:26 pm

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Also, WhemeStar draws attention to it unnecessarily in his third post. I feel like there has to be some significance to it beyond simple breadcrumbing.

P.S. Sorry for all of these short posts back-to-back, but there is a lot of ground to cover here.
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Post Post #2449 (ISO) » Mon May 01, 2017 8:30 pm

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Everyone's claimed, I believe.

Math thinks Titus's doctor claim is a fakeclaim; I think it's essentially impossible for this setup to be balanced enough to pass the Normal Review Group if it's a fakeclaim.

I personally have written off the darklyn/whemestar slot as locktown for a long time because of how Whemestar acted when he claimed early on.

Having scum or no scum in the neighbors isn't really set in stone from a setup design perspective. IMO it's more fruitful to just scumhunt than to speculate about whether or not there's scum in the neighbors a priori.

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