Mini Normal 1908 - In The Web (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm

Titus for reactions on me
Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
GE just feels scummy to me

Who would you say is the town and the scum in BYF/Mort then?

[Transcend]

dudes let's lynch HL

[MMM]

Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm

Titus for reactions on me
Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
GE just feels scummy to me

Who would you say is the town and the scum in BYF/Mort then?

Mort feels more town to me rn tbh

[Hikari Link]

Yoshi 45 town

Why does this make Yoshi town in any way?

Your points about him are valid, MortFeld.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I'm not letting Yoshi off the hook there, because I still feel like his response to the speedwagon was more likely to come from scum than town. I just think a Gamma scum flip strengthens my case against Yoshi.

[MortFeld]

Yoshi 45 town

Why does this make Yoshi town in any way?

Feels like real paranoia.

[Hikari Link]

Yoshi 45 town

Why does this make Yoshi town in any way?

Feels like real paranoia.

Paranoia is inherently town? If he was scum, he'd be worried about you wanting to incriminate him too, wouldn't he? And maybe it's just my scumread on him, but I saw it more as him being "convinced" so that he would have a legitimate reason to call you scum at any point in the future.

[MMM]

I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.

[MortFeld]

Paranoia is inherently town? If he was scum, he'd be worried about you wanting to incriminate him too, wouldn't he?

Yeah. He wouldn't be worried about me being scum, but that's not present in 45.

And maybe it's just my scumread on him, but I saw it more as him being "convinced" so that he would have a legitimate reason to call you scum at any point in the future.

I mean you acknowledge the confbias but it does make senseish from that viewpoint.

[MortFeld]

I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.

The two scum being me and Yoshi? That doesn't make sense. Actually this whole post doesn't make sense. What is the relevance of Titus' (correct) observation that I was just looking for things to attack?

[Hikari Link]

Paranoia is inherently town? If he was scum, he'd be worried about you wanting to incriminate him too, wouldn't he?

Yeah. He wouldn't be worried about me being scum, but that's not present in 45.

You don't have to be scum to incriminate him though. I mean, maybe incriminate isn't the right word, but my point stands that being implicated as potential scum in any way isn't ideal for either town or scum.

I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.

The two scum being me and Yoshi? That doesn't make sense. Actually this whole post doesn't make sense. What is the relevance of Titus' (correct) observation that I was just looking for things to attack?

Yes, please explain that, MMM. I interpreted your post much differently, but I'm curious to see which interpretation is correct.

[MMM]

I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.

The two scum being me and Yoshi? That doesn't make sense. Actually this whole post doesn't make sense. What is the relevance of Titus' (correct) observation that I was just looking for things to attack?

The two scum that I saw would be Yoshi and Titus. I don't think it was wrong for Mort to attack Yoshi when and how he did given that at that phase in the game you do have to do something to cause game progression, Titus seemed really quick to chainsaw and BYF picked up on Titus' defense quickly.

[MortFeld]

I think Hikari is town, Transcend

Hikari you misunderstood the first part of my 132. There's a specific towntell that I was saying was not present.

Ah ty for explain MMM.

[MortFeld]

98 is missing Titus

[Hikari Link]

I don't think being worried about being incriminated by scum it inherently scummy, however page 2 is just way too early for that. "Coincidentally", Titus pointed out 7 posts earlier that Mort was also just looking for things to attack... I just wonder whether actually got two scum right there or it's actually too good to be true.

The two scum being me and Yoshi? That doesn't make sense. Actually this whole post doesn't make sense. What is the relevance of Titus' (correct) observation that I was just looking for things to attack?

The two scum that I saw would be Yoshi and Titus. I don't think it was wrong for Mort to attack Yoshi when and how he did given that at that phase in the game you do have to do something to cause game progression, Titus seemed really quick to chainsaw and BYF picked up on Titus' defense quickly.

Okay, that makes sense. Being honest, I read that as you still going with your Yoshi & Gamma team, but it makes more sense that you were saying Titus was the other one. I forgot what Chainsawing was, so I just looked it up. I could see that argument for scum Titus.

I think Hikari is town, Transcend

Hikari you misunderstood the first part of my 132. There's a specific towntell that I was saying was not present.

Ah ty for explain MMM.

Wait, can we back up for a second. I'm not sure what towntell you are talking about. Really sorry, but could you please explain once more why you think Yoshi is town?

98 is missing Titus

That's because I don't feel like Titus was part of the interaction proper. The interaction was spawned by the comment Titus made, but she never actually participated in it, as near as I can tell.

[MortFeld]

I think Hikari is town, Transcend

Hikari you misunderstood the first part of my 132. There's a specific towntell that I was saying was not present.

Ah ty for explain MMM.

Wait, can we back up for a second. I'm not sure what towntell you are talking about. Really sorry, but could you please explain once more why you think Yoshi is town?

I thought he was town because his paranoia felt real. But you pointed out that scum can have genuine paranoia too. I don't completely agree, I think paranoia is different from just fear. But the type of paranoia that is hard for scum to replicate is absent from Yoshi's 45. So the townread is weak.

The point about scum not being paranoid that someone else is scum was like, a poorly fleshed out version of the above.

98 is missing Titus

That's because I don't feel like Titus was part of the interaction proper. The interaction was spawned by the comment Titus made, but she never actually participated in it, as near as I can tell.

Yeah I wasn't trying to shade you, just noticing.

[ChannelDelibird]

VOTE: Hikari Link

I'm not letting Yoshi off the hook there, because I still feel like his response to the speedwagon was more likely to come from scum than town. I just think a Gamma scum flip strengthens my case against Yoshi.

The level of confidence required to make this post honestly cannot yet have been obtained by town.

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Hey, people. I've not played with most of you before. FYI, my username is typically abbreviated to CDB.

and the 'delivered' point is interesting, I will ruminate on it.

[Hikari Link]

VOTE: Hikari Link

I'm not letting Yoshi off the hook there, because I still feel like his response to the speedwagon was more likely to come from scum than town. I just think a Gamma scum flip strengthens my case against Yoshi.

The level of confidence required to make this post honestly cannot yet have been obtained by town.

And yet it is, so here we are. You're making a lot of inaccurate assumptions here about my level of hubris. That bandwagon during RVS was getting big, but short of a grossly incompetent townie, an accidental hammer was very unlikely. Scum hammering and pretending to be inept town seems like it would have been a far more likely scenario to me. And neither side hammering seems like an even more likely scenario. If we accept that the lynch was extremely unlikely to occur and that scum would be most likely to hammer, then an early lynch would arguably have been more favorable for the town.

On the other hand, scum can get towncred for pretending to be scared of a lynch that early on. And, if Gamma truly is Yoshi's partner, Yoshi'd have every reason to be nervous, on the off-chance that an incompetent townie accidentally (or purposely, honestly) hammered there.

tl;dr: Irrespective of Gamma's alignment, Yoshi as town had more to gain from Gamma's death than he had to lose, while Yoshi as scum had more to gain from ending the wagon there.

There are, however, two holes in my thinking that I am aware of.

1. It's possible that Yoshi wouldn't have thought any of the things that I just thought, regardless of his alignment.
2. I've basically set up a scenario that regardless of how Gamma flips if we lynch him, Yoshi looks scummier to me.

I realize the potential role confirmation bias may play in how I interpret Yoshi's actions from here on, but I don't plan to push forward with only this reasoning. I assume that as the game progresses, my scum read may be strengthened or it may be weakened. But at our current stage in the game, these are the best leads I've got (and I don't think they are bad), so I'm pursuing them until I have reason to believe I shouldn't.

Hey, people. I've not played with most of you before. FYI, my username is typically abbreviated to CDB.

and the 'delivered' point is interesting, I will ruminate on it.

Please do. It's something more people should think on.

Actually, as an avid Pokémon fan myself, It's widely known within the community that Pokémon themselves has been horribly inconsistent. Even within canon, many different Pokémon has had many different pronunciations of the same Pokémon. Most of the time, you'd go with any one so long others recognise it. The more common pronunciations of Delibird include "Deh-Lee-Bird", "Dee-Lih-Bird", "Dail-Li-Bird" and "Del-Uh-Bird"

Lastly, sorry this post was so dense. I've always had a tough time being brief, but I've been told in the past that long posts are anti-town because some people won't bother reading them and/or they feel like it's just a method of trying to appear active. I'll try to keep things as short as possible in the future, but I personally prefer to be thorough so that I am not misunderstood. Might just tl;dr at the end of all of my large posts from now on.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: transcend

Not liking his posts so far. feels fake

[TwoFace]

i have a feeling this is going to be one of those games where majority of the action happens while I am asleep.

[BigYoshiFan]

At school, hiiiiiii!
Townreads: Gamma Emerald, Hikari Link
Scumreads: Transcend, TwoFace

[TwoFace]

well that was a useless post

[BigYoshiFan]

And so was that.

[Transcend]

BUT I'M OBV TO--

Oh wait, I'm fosed by two people who can't read me for shit

Well I'm right here if you want to engage me.

[MortFeld]

Transcend you still think scum!Hikari?

[Transcend]

What reason do i have not to