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[Firebringer]

gin you should do some yoga it might help with the broken caps lock you seem to have.

~ First yoga class: gf took me along with her to a beginner session, it seemed like it was going to be excruciatingly awkward at first in a room full of strangers but I have never felt so relaxed at the end of an hour of exercise in my life. Yoga is wonderful. ~

[Fro99er]

Gin's emotions look kinda faked too.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

YOU SAID MY LAST POST, I DID NOTHING WITH, I'VE ONLY BEEN ARGUING ABOUT WHY I THOUGHT YOUR VOTE WAS SCUMMY

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

gin you should do some yoga it might help with the broken caps lock you seem to have.

>_>

[Fro99er]

Your response to 694 is a fake read, you know me, you've played numerous games with me. Me kicking yelling and screaming is what you come to fucking expect. YOU AND I GET INTO ARGUMENTS AND IT GETS HEATED BUT HERE ITS SCUMMY WHEN WE DID IT TOGETHER NUMEROUS TIMES?

Can you calmly explain and talk about this so the other 11 people in this game can understand what you're saying. I think there might be something here but ITS ALL YELLING

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Frog, why didn't you think of the possibility of me forgetting about that?

What is the actual scum move that I committed with misunderstanding something?

[Tammy]

Not liking Implosion or Nacho.

Something feels off in the early nacho tammy implosion dynamic

Hmm...maybr I will sheep Titus!
She's on the ball so far!

Then again, I've been told that on the ball Titus is scum Titus and moon Titus is town Titus..

Yuck

What's the yuck?

Ari is implying that I must be crazy to be town, when I have a spat of recent games that show I can be spot on as town. It discredits any reads I have, not based on their accuracy or inaccuracy but who is speaking on them.

Why didn't you have this same response when gin made a similarish post?

[Fro99er]

YOU SAID MY LAST POST, I DID NOTHING WITH, I'VE ONLY BEEN ARGUING ABOUT WHY I THOUGHT YOUR VOTE WAS SCUMMY

I said in your last post of the three I quoted you did nothing with my wall. You ignored my wall, other than to say "holy" and "lol content" and instead leapt to my vote being scummy.

[Tammy]

STOP SPAMMING

GOSH

~ >.> ~

[Tammy]

that was a joke btw

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Frog, why didn't you think of the possibility of me forgetting about that?

What is the actual scum move that I committed with misunderstanding something?

Unvote me or answer this, I'm getting irritated

[Titus]

Tammy, I'm waiting to see where you are

[Titus]

Frog, why didn't you think of the possibility of me forgetting about that?

What is the actual scum move that I committed with misunderstanding something?

Unvote me or answer this, I'm getting irritated

Getting?

[Tammy]

ribbit -- I have some things to say.

I'm about to build a damn wall. An enormous, beautiful wall. The best wall you will ever see. Stay tuned...

I was really hoping you were going to follow this up by saying you'd killed a baby today and I was prepared to town read you solely for that, but and while I've not actually read your wall, I did not see that in my skim and I'm disappoint.

[Fro99er]

Frog, why didn't you think of the possibility of me forgetting about that?

What is the actual scum move that I committed with misunderstanding something?

Maybe you did forget it. But in the more broad context of your play here, the rage caps which just look like a response to others using them in places, the ignoring the contents of my wall, it adds up.

I still think it's pretty hard to forget that I wanted out because ThinkBig sucks. So, I'm not sure you actually forgot, but instead just misrepped my scum play.

At best you forgot about the ThinkBig incident and you have pigeon-holed one scum game of mine -- as a hydra -- into a generalization of my scum play.

At worst it's scummy.

[Tammy]

Tammy, I'm waiting to see where you are

I'm on the corner of post 628 and 629. Luckily it's not raining, I forgot my umbrella.

[Fro99er]

I haven't read your wall

Exactly my point.

leapt to my vote being scummy without reading my wall. Just "LOL content"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Frog, why didn't you think of the possibility of me forgetting about that?

What is the actual scum move that I committed with misunderstanding something?

Maybe you did forget it. But in the more broad context of your play here, the rage caps which just look like a response to others using them in places, the ignoring the contents of my wall, it adds up.

I still think it's pretty hard to forget that I wanted out because ThinkBig sucks. So, I'm not sure you actually forgot, but instead just misrepped my scum play.

At best you forgot about the ThinkBig incident and you have pigeon-holed one scum game of mine -- as a hydra -- into a generalization of my scum play.

At worst it's scummy.

What makes it fucking scummy?

[Fro99er]

I'm in one of the neighborhoods this game.

How do you know there are multiple hoods?

I'm in one of the neighborhoods this game.

How do you know there are multiple hoods?

My role PM doesn't actually say it but I believe it implies it.

@Implosion: Can you confirm the neighbor role PM implies multiple neighborhoods?

[Tammy]

I think Firebringer could be town because it doesn't look like he's trying to get townread in any way at all - his scumread on implosion is based on one post, he has a scumread on Alisae also based on nothing, and very very blatantly rolefishes in thread. He might be scum who thinks that he can get away with it because "lol firebringer" and I don't really have any reason to believe that he isn't, just kind of gut reading him as town here.

I actually had a gut feeling from Alisae, its not based on nothing. He is acting very like how I expect out of his scum play. I don't say anything more because Alisae will immediately discredit it because "fire bringer is always paranoid of me" Which is half accurate, and I think he already did.

Implosion first post about Tammy was so scummy, that wasn't nothing.
His back and forth with Tammy was bad too, but not as bad as the initial post.

Also yes, I would blatantly rosefish as scum. I wasn't honestly role fishing I was just pretending I was. I made up a "Rb is crumbing Jailkeeper" to see how he would react. Not sure what to think of his reaction, I am wondering why he is so nice to Titus this game.

Also, how is your day going?

How does rb normally interact with titus?

[Keyser Söze]

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Tammy and Nacho

y u no interacts with each other

This makes me feel uncomfortable. Why pick this out?
Uh-oh my early scum-associations radar is pinging.

rb underwhelms me personally, Alisae's "let's be power town together" opening is something I think I remember him saying as scum - will be watching to see if he actually follows through

I like Gin immediately picking up on me/Tammy not interacting immediately

Nope. Not buying the tone or sincerity.

Better question is am I town yet?

There aren't really many Tammy RVS posts that are alignment indicative unless she's completely demoralized drawing scum, but this is one of those elusive early Tammy town posts - very highly doubt that she presses for an early read here as scum.

Looks like reaching hard to explain an early town read.
Set phasers to stun.

i haven't actually seen her scum game.

huuuuuh?
So wait, let me get this straight.
You have a "towntell" for Tammy when you never saw her scumgame.
How can you have a towntell for someone when you don't know their scumgame?
It makes your tell kinda unreliable...

LOOK AT ME! I CAN BE HAPPY TOO!
I CAN LOOK SUPER EXCITED AND STUFF!
OMGAWD, LOOK AT ME!
I'M SO EXCITED!

Yeah the emotion here seems really out of place here...

I read implosions introduction as innocent, embodying genuine convictions. This sounds like Mr.Opportunistic wolf jumping on the bewildered sheep.

[Fro99er]

What makes it fucking scummy?

I've explained. Twice now. This is the third time. I'm not going to explain anymore after this.

It's scummy because you are misrepresenting my scum play. EVEN if you forgot the ThinkBig stuff, it's still a misrepresentation of my scum play based off a sample-size of ONE. Nacho at least has a bit of a larger sample size to go with, both in my town and scum games, and correctly applied the meta he had seen while also saying he could be wrong about it.

You just said "not posting is scum frog" -- which is a misrep of my play, period. It's a way for you to develop a convenient scumread on me based off my early play, since I was the mislynch bait.

[Tammy]

What does your gut think of Nacho/Tammy/Implosion

This is last post i respond to until i seriously try to block ms for the day to get stuff done:

Nacho-Feels townie. He isn't doing anything I expect him to do, he is engaged with everyone, theres no hold backs form anything he is saying or doing. Like theres more of a 'in control' vibe you get when you see between nacho town and scum. I am not feeling it here yet. It was harder to tell right in RVS because the playfulness but i feel he is townie.

Tammy-Unsure. I will be honest, everyone says Tammy is super fricking easy to read and I have never understood it. Anyone who people say is easy to read I fail almost 80% of the time. She seems to be enjoying herself and relaxed which apparently is her town tells but she also lately seems to have gotten better at enjoying scum so that could mean nothing. Overall hope she keeps up the fun, i don't like seeing her hate games she plays in. I said a lot without giving a read, so I am just saying Optimistic Town, but it is still null.

Implosion-I felt was more scummy and I explained it before. Its 629 and 630

I like this post. I hope I continue having fun here; I don't see why I wouldn't. You're optimism is right though

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You just said "not posting is scum frog" -- which is a misrep of my play, period. It's a way for you to develop a convenient scumread on me based off my early play, since I was the mislynch bait.

It's a way for you to develop a convenient scumread on me based off my early play, since I was the mislynch bait.

you to develop a convenient scumread on me based off my early play

you develop a scumread on me

Please babe, show me the scum read on you before your vote.

[Nachomamma8]

In that game I really didn't want to play with ThinkBig -- who had just game thrown in Cabd's game -- and I signed up first then ThinkBig signed up and I didn't have a chance to tell Alisae I wanted out before the game started. Alisae convinced me to stay in, but I never posted but once until LyLo when I started fake posting as Alisae.

This context in particular kills all real concern I had about you not lurking intentionally; I was aware that you were completely capable of posting a bunch as scum (I ended up skimming your ISO in Bees for some reason, probably Tammy's fault), but I thought you flaked on Alisae because you were too busy/drained from playing scum for a while.

If you don't feel he'd do that as scum, then why did you push EXACTLY THAT (I'm not talking the fake emotion part, but the "Tammy hasn't dropped my towntell yet" part, which is what you initially started your Implosion push with).

Maybe.
The explanation in 106 or 102 or whatever it was (the post that you note is backing off) put the whole push into context for me; the explanation that the approach was weird but unlikely to be coming from as scum is exactly the same as my perspective on it and Alisae's reaction (questioning it, pushing it) was exactly the same as mine, so it's pretty easy to see the town perspective behind it.

Then Alisae busts out the "Boon is faking emotion stuff" just like he did with Implosion, and mocks boon in 137 with a vote -- again taking what Boon did with his rb vote seriously. It feels so off. It's just accusations and not trying to understand any sort of dynamic between Boon and rb.

Where did Alisae say that Boonskiies was faking emotion; I just thought he disliked the rb vote because he thought it was opportunistic.
I don't think that not getting jokes is scummy - I didn't understand Boonskies was playing around until he called himself a playful creature.

"excuse me Alisae -- you've already been forming other reads in these first 6 pages and I know you're a tonal type player, so explain what about the tone makes you feel like rb is town instead of scum, since you think he can do this as both alignments."

I find that it being early in the game means that I'm more comfortable with having townreads for little to no reason than I would have been later in the game, and I think that's what Alisae meant - he didn't really have a great way of explaining his rb read right then but it was early game so no big deal.

Seriously -- town!Alisae would definitely get frustrated that I'm (supposedly) not trying to read him, and scum!Alisae would almost surely just be like, "frog is scum and here's why" with less emotion behind it.

I can understand this reasoning, and I suppose that's part of what I was trying to get at earlier - Alisae as scum voting you would know that they were making a vote with correct reasoning (aka this is not his town meta, this is what his town meta is) and would be more likely not to abandon it for the Boonskiies push.

explain to me why my being concerned about getting the correct votes on the correct people, in the correct order is scummy.

It seemed scummy because at the time it seemed less important than addressing things like Alisae's push on you or commenting on the game - correcting votecounts is something you can do via PM and I was concerned that you were using that as a way to dodge from giving content a while longer (which, in retrospect is a really dumb reason to suspect you but it was very very weird at the time).

My initial reaction is just to call this town; I think the read on Alisae looks pretty in depth and genuine and the emotive responses to me also look pretty good. I'm just trying to sort what this looks like if Frog is scum here - I think he probably still would do the whole "wait to start posting" gambit maybe probably, but I'm not sure he'd be as able to sell the progression on the Alisae read and the response to me specifically as well. I'm interested in Tammy's updated thoughts on Frogger.