Mini Normal 1908 - In The Web (Game Over)

[MMM]

yoshi wagon sucks

Something can be done about that.
VOTE: Transcend

[Transcend]

transcend wagon was aiite but then you voted me and now it just sucks

[Hikari Link]

Still doing other things and I won't be back in full force until at least tomorrow, but I've skimmed the thread and just wanted to say a couple things really fast.

TwoFace/Transcend:

Please look at my wall post again. I clearly say at the beginning that I have put a tl;dr version at the end for people who are adverse to wall posts. That said, could you guys please tell me why you refuse to read wall posts? I've always thought it's a pretty anti-town attitude. Not scummy, mind you, I just think it's inherently detrimental to the town not to read everything that everyone says.

Also, you don't really need to read the parts about you, TwoFace. It was me explaining why I feel town members have every right to fear being suspected. Transcend, I'd really appreciate if you read my response to you. I feel I rather adequately dismantled your case against me.

Regarding the Transcend wagon:

I don't like this wagon. Most games I've got at least one townie tunneling me hard. I just set some people off for some reason. It's rarely (if ever) scum who have this reaction. I don't think there was much for Transcend to gain as scum for pushing me as hard as he did for such poor reasons as scum. I feel like his gut just tells him that I'm a dirty scumbag and now it's just a matter of whether or not he will succumb to confirmation bias permanently.

[Transcend]

Please look at my wall post again.

nty

[Transcend]

i will consider you town for just one day,

let's lynch mmm

[MMM]

Regarding the Transcend wagon:

I don't like this wagon. Most games I've got at least one townie tunneling me hard. I just set some people off for some reason. It's rarely (if ever) scum who have this reaction. I don't think there was much for Transcend to gain as scum for pushing me as hard as he did for such poor reasons as scum. I feel like his gut just tells him that I'm a dirty scumbag and now it's just a matter of whether or not he will succumb to confirmation bias permanently.

That is... actually not why I'm lynching him.

[MMM]

voting* screw different sites and their different terminologies

[Hikari Link]

Please look at my wall post again.

nty

So you won't even look at the tl;dr part that covers my 9 main points? It's 14 sentences.

[Gamma Emerald]

He's explaining his townread not addressing someone's specific reasoning.

[Hikari Link]

Regarding the Transcend wagon:

I don't like this wagon. Most games I've got at least one townie tunneling me hard. I just set some people off for some reason. It's rarely (if ever) scum who have this reaction. I don't think there was much for Transcend to gain as scum for pushing me as hard as he did for such poor reasons as scum. I feel like his gut just tells him that I'm a dirty scumbag and now it's just a matter of whether or not he will succumb to confirmation bias permanently.

That is... actually not why I'm lynching him.

To be clear, I wasn't presuming anyone was voting him for his interactions with me, I'm saying that his interactions with me are kind of a towntell. At least, to me. And it's why I would suggest not lynching him.

P-Edit: Gamma beat me to the punch.

[MMM]

Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.

[Hikari Link]

Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.

It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?

[Transcend]

okay maybe hikari is town

BUT YOURE NOT GETTING LOCKTOWN STATUS

[MMM]

Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.

It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?

I'll explain later - I feel like it would be counter-intuitive if I did it now.

[Hikari Link]

okay maybe hikari is town

BUT YOURE NOT GETTING LOCKTOWN STATUS

Anyone who ever gives me locktown status, short of through the effect of power roles, is almost assuredly scum or a fool of the highest calibre. Out of curiosity though, what turned you around?

Oh, my bad then. I'm still keeping the vote for the time being though.

It's a free country. For now. But could you explain what your reasoning is?

I'll explain later - I feel like it would be counter-intuitive if I did it now.

Fair enough. I will try to remember to ask you about this on a fairly regular basis though.

[Transcend]

i really don't know i just don't thikn you're scum anymore i think it's more of a playstyle issue

[Hikari Link]

Sounds about right. Like I said, it's a pretty common occurrence for me. Happens every couple games. Usually with people who are completely unfamiliar with me.

[Hikari Link]

Off topic: Oh fuck! I just figured out that quote problem from before. I never fucking knew that highlighting text and hitting the quote button would result in only that text being in a quote! I just highlight things because it helps me read. I thought it was a glitch all this time. I'm a fucking fool!

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait what
Explain further because I don't see how that caused the earlier issue.

[Hikari Link]

Could you explain that? I'm having trouble grasping your reasoning. You don't approve of putting someone at L-2, but you are fine voting a townread? I'm not saying I'm an expert Mafia player, but in every other game I've played, that's not how things have been done.

Oh, okay. That makes much more sense. The wording on that just really confused me.

That issue, just to be clear. Where I broke a quote.

If you are reading a post and you highlight part of the post with the cursor, when you hit the quote button, it will only quote that part of the post, rather than the whole post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Got it
I'm gonna test it.

[TwoFace]

why do people think transcend is scum?

I explained why earlier.

[TwoFace]

That said, could you guys please tell me why you refuse to read wall posts?

Mainly because I have ADD, second cause I'm on my phone most of the time and it's harder to read big walls of texts. It's easier to break them up into separate posts so I can skip the things I don't care about and focus on the stuff directed at me.

[TwoFace]

Town have extremely legitimate reasons to worry about looking suspicious. People can and are misinterpreted and mislynched.

Town shouldn't care how people perceive them. Town shouldn't worry about being mislynched. Especially if you don't do scummy things. Every townie who's been mislynched has been guilty of doing things that they shouldn't have done. Lying, lurking, contradictions, whatever.

Be transparent, honest, and active and don't worry about how you are perceived. That's how I always play. Go look at all my games. I give zero fucks what people think of me. I tell the truth, I stay active, and I call things as I see it.

(See this is why I don't like reading wall posts. This post does nothing to help the game, it's a mafia theory discussion )

[Hikari Link]

@TwoFace: The ADD is fair enough. And I can understand the phone issue. I hope that the spoiler tags help with that a little though.

I don't think the game theory discussion is a function of wallposts though. It's a function of the fact that my response to you was specifically about game theory. Which is why I also said that you didn't have to read my response to you, since the tl;dr bottom-lined it for you.

I agree with you on some points regarding theory and disagree on others. But even if your playstyle is objectively the best (which it may not be), not everyone is going to agree that that's the case. Meaning you need to be prepared to accept alternate playstles if you don't want to mislynch. Whether or not town

should

be worried about being mislynched doesn't help us determine if somebody is scum. That's because there are plenty of town who

do

worry about being mislynched.