Micro 701: Defiance Mafia II - Game Over

[Edosurist]

Oh wait. Both Vax and Jester don't have votes according to the VC.

If everyone minus the diplomats votes Char, we can lynch him.

[The_Jester]

Lol this is bs

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

VOTE: All Votes: Charloux

That's L 3/4 with PP having a vote.

[Charloux]

I broke my restriction yesterday but occupied a voting slot. Meaning that the mod changed the game at his own leisure *claps*

[Charloux]

Actually I made a mistake. Didn't occupy a slot yesterday as well.

[Charloux]

Well, PP wont vote for me so it doesn't matter.

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

So PP is also scum?

[PenguinPower]

Well, PP wont vote for me so it doesn't matter.

?

What makes you so sure of that?

[1 Shot Vanilla Town]

I'm lost...
So you're not scum or you are?

[PenguinPower]

My role changed, but I'm still town.

[drealmerz7]

Lol this is bs

oooo, doesn't it make you just want to vote the mod, if you could~?

My role changed...

oooo, you want to vote the mod now, don't ya?!?!

[Vaxkiller]

Ok, read through again last night look for specific things and I'm happy with a char lynch today, but I dont want us to spin into night before talking.

[Vaxkiller]

@Edosurist:
There are 2 problems:
1) I tried killing Mcmenno, but got RBed by town. You negated my chance of being cleared by his flip. If I have to choose if I want town/diplomats to win, ofc I would choose the latter.
2)I am voteless, and there are 2 diplomats with the ability to stop votes. If they just thought about it, then it's gg.

Wow is this game confusing. Scum literally telling us thier actions.

Char, who are your partners?

[Vaxkiller]

Did anybody have any night actions that suggest that their role is true?

Pretty sure my role does at it states, but not 100% yet. PM'ing ppl

[drealmerz7]

For some reason I understood that you required three strikes before you lost your vote as that's what's in your role PM on the list.

but there's no way you're willing to consider that the list is a redherring and not what anyone actually is???

and you insist you know what is in my role PM better than I do, or at least continue to ability-fish

I could vote this slot today if ppl don't want to lynch the mod and see what happens, he's utterly useless to actually figuring out the game, clearly

[Vaxkiller]

Did anybody have any night actions that suggest that their role is true?

Pretty sure my role does at it states, but not 100% yet. PM'ing ppl

I'm pretty sure it does what it states now.

[Edosurist]

@PP Can you tell us what your old role was?

I think we've shown that whatever role was given to us in the beginning is at least true for the time being. Vax's action played out, 1-shot's does, Char's post restriction is legit, and the two diplomats successfully prevented two players from voting today.

As a side note, I'm curious why they didnt silence 1-shot and me because we've been working the hardest against them.

@dreal Nothing so far has suggested that it is a red herring. As I see it, the evidence for both claims:
It is a red herring - Ircher said it would be extremely bastard. PP's role has changed.
It is not a red herring - Our actions, active and passive, have resolved as we would expect. The previous Defiance game involved role swapping but not alignment swapping.

I'd say the evidence is marginally in favor of the list having some significance, and I would encourage you to add or push back on that list if you see it fit. I just ask that you please not say I'm trying to work this out.

I do not believe I'm ability fishing. I'm going off your "known" role PM, so if there's any disparity between your actual PM and the one given on the list, you should share it because that could tell us/convince me that the list is unrelated or a red herring.

[drealmerz7]

"I'm not ability fishing, but I want to know your abilities, for the 5th time tell me your abilities!!! but I'm not ability fishing!!!"

holyfuckingshit

[PenguinPower]

My original role is not on "the list."

[Vaxkiller]

I forgot to test my vote to see if it works:

VOTE: dreal

It means nothing dreal

[drealmerz7]

I'm flattered!

[Edosurist]

Well then what was it, PP? That could be very helpful.

@dreal How is it role fishing if I already know what your role and abilities are? I'm not asking others who haven't claimed to do so. I'm trying to work with you here but you're not giving anything back. I'm trying to work within the constraints of what you believe and I'm asking you to explain your reasoning but you keep restating the same things.

[PenguinPower]

Modified Backup Vigilante.

[Edosurist]

Ok dreal. I'm going to give you a list of questions and I would like you to please answer them thoroughly and numerically. If you believe you've answered it in a previous post, please expand on it because there must be a lapse in understanding/communication somewhere.

1. What is the evidence that the list is completely unrelated to the game?
2. Can you please weigh this evidence against the current evidence we have in favor of the list to present a case?
3. Why should we not lynch claimed scum?
4. How have I been "role/ability fishing" (please provide quotes or links)?
5. How has what I've been doing been anti-town? To help you're argument, I'll tell you that I would argue that by seeing whether your abilities play out as expected, I'm trying to determine the extent to which we can believe the list.

[drealmerz7]

@dreal How is it role fishing if I already know what your role and abilities are?

is it really that difficult for you?

YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY ROLE PM