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[BigYoshiFan]

That reads list doesn't give me good vibes. I'll try to explain it later.

[MortFeld]

MortFeld- scumhunting a lot and putting effort into it, don't see scum here

I am town but I've been incredibly lazy this game, though not by choice.

[BigYoshiFan]

Right.
Titus' sub-out comes off as less genuine for that reason, would you agree?

Just because we can't explain it doesn't necessarily mean it's not genuine.

Not

necessarily

, but it doesn't make sense to replace out now, when tensions are rather low, for that reason.
I guess I'm not convincing anyone with this, so I'll just shut up.

[MortFeld]

I guess I'm not convincing anyone with this, so I'll just shut up.

Like I think Titus could be scum. But the argument you're making is not scum indicative.

[BigYoshiFan]

Yeah, alright then.

[MarioManiac4]

That makes sense. Even if I'm not considering the timing of her sub out, she's still acted scummy.

?
why does it become ok as soon as i add the clause that it doesn't make her town? idgi

[MarioManiac4]

MortFeld- scumhunting a lot and putting effort into it, don't see scum here

I am town but I've been incredibly lazy this game, though not by choice.

well in that case I've basically been in a coma the whole time

[MortFeld]

MortFeld- scumhunting a lot and putting effort into it, don't see scum here

I am town but I've been incredibly lazy this game, though not by choice.

well in that case I've basically been in a coma the whole time

You've definitely been quiet

[MarioManiac4]

Right.
Titus' sub-out comes off as less genuine for that reason, would you agree?

Just because we can't explain it doesn't necessarily mean it's not genuine.

Titus- the only one who was willing to try and discuss the game with me, feels town in the posting, weird wagon
Ircher- actually Ircher hasn't done much, I could possibly lynch it I guess?
MortFeld- scumhunting a lot and putting effort into it, don't see scum here
Transcend- felt town earlygame, ate is a logical fallacy but usually NAI
TwoFace- doublevoter is a plus and he is actively scumhunting.
BigYoshiFan- ? not sure on this one tbh, iso'd him earlier and his posts didn't really have any clear scum motivation
Gamma Emerald- actually looking back I don't really like this slot, feels like he's making a lot of posts that seem to have the motivation to look like scumhunting but he doesn't really do anything with the answers to his questions. I guess this would be my primary scumread?
Tarkus- his posts make sense and they resonate with me so this slot is probtown
-Grey- (replaces NotTheRealPaul)- he put a lot of effort into catching up into this game, and I don't think he'd want to aggravate me for no reason when he basically told me to stfu earlier.
ChannelDelibird- his hikari vote isn't great but he has made one post
MMM- I used to think this was scum but now I'm not sure- his explanation of his positions make sense and he's starting to feel progressively townier.
Hikari Link- in a game of spamposting and nullity he has taken explicit steps to advance the game. town.

Titus isn't that townie to be quite honest - just not that scummy. Grey aggravates people a lot in general, so I think it's NAI. Tarkus needs to post more before he can convince me he's town. Ircher has indeed not done a whole bunch but what he has done does feel like it comes from town. TwoFace isn't an IC but he seems townie to me. ChannelDelibird needs to post more and Transcend's sub will have a lot of convincing to do too.
Other than what I mentioned I'm mostly in agreement with your reads (which is to say I agree with you on <50% of all players lol)

@grey; the thing was that there was no scum motivation for trying to make me more emotive rly.
@Ircher; Meta is generally bad but it can be good in specific cases- and Ircher's play here doesn't really fit what I've seen him as when I played town!him in a handful of game.

[BigYoshiFan]

That makes sense. Even if I'm not considering the timing of her sub out, she's still acted scummy.

?
why does it become ok as soon as i add the clause that it doesn't make her town? idgi

Do you mean "it doesn't make her scum"?
Anyways, I understand your PoV. That's all I was saying.

[BigYoshiFan]

@grey; the thing was that there was no scum motivation for trying to make me more emotive rly.

But does that make it townie?

[MarioManiac4]

That makes sense. Even if I'm not considering the timing of her sub out, she's still acted scummy.

?
why does it become ok as soon as i add the clause that it doesn't make her town? idgi

Do you mean "it doesn't make her scum"?
Anyways, I understand your PoV. That's all I was saying.

it's more like
exhibit a) I say that it's not NAI, you think that I'm saying Titus is town = you say it's bad
exhibit b) I explain that I don't think it's AI = you say it's alright

feels like you just want to oppose everything that opposes the titus wagon tbh

pedit: I would say so. Scum!grey doesn't care about me talking in his "big important catchup tyme!" so considering that I can't think of any plausible scum motivation it's probably town.
Also the sheer effort and production of his posts where it wasn't really necessary although that's closer to null considering his apparent experience.

[BigYoshiFan]

it's more like
exhibit a) I say that it's not NAI, you think that I'm saying Titus is town = you say it's bad
exhibit b) I explain that I don't think it's AI = you say it's alright

feels like you just want to oppose everything that opposes the titus wagon tbh

I hope that's not the impression I've given everyone.

After you explained in 767, I understood that it wasn't a trust tell and I could relate this to how I felt about Transcend. That's as best as I can explain it.

[Hikari Link]

In post 729, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 699, MMM wrote:
With the bit of time I have right now:
In post 692, MarioManiac4 wrote:
like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get on
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug

Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?
I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)

I think you misunderstand me. I'm asking you why that's the case. Other than insult you, what activity made him

so

scummy that even with a replacement, his slot can't be redeemed.

[Hikari Link]

I understand getting frustrated with Transcend but that slot was town af. I'm not voting it or Titus today.
MMM has been getting progressively townier and I'm not comfortable voting there anymore.
I actually can't see it. Someone needs to make a good case. :p

UNVOTE:

Why aren't you voting either one today? Why are both so town that they are unlynchable?

[MarioManiac4]

there is still probably enough time to lynch another
both are empty slots anyway

[ThinkBig]

OFFICIAL VC 1.10

Titus

(5): Ircher, Transcend, BigYoshiFan, Gamma Emerald, Hikari Link

Transcend

(5): TwoFace, TwoFace, MMM, Titus, -Grey-

Hikari Link

(1): ChannelDelibird

Gamma Emerald

(1): MortFeld

Not Voting

(2): Tarkus, MarioManiac4

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

[Hikari Link]

damn, so they theory actually could be a reality...

What were you referring to here?

The theory they could be scum together

Sorry, you theorized who could be scum together?

[MortFeld]

I literally didn't realize Titus was at L-2. I need to read.

[Hikari Link]

Titus did explain her read on me as "his ISO looks like potshots" I believe.

I have a very poor handle on this game compared to the usual and I'm bad at catching up when behind.

The argument seems pretty hypocritical to me. Looking at her ISO, most of her posts look like the same sort of "potshots."

[Hikari Link]

Also, why did she wait until now to replace out if it was for that reason?

That's something I can't answer either, but I can say almost for sure none of the replace-outs were caught scum. (Maybe scum, definitely not caught)

And now it becomes a trust tell... sigh.

It's not a trust tell, it's just NAI.

How can you reconcile these two statements when both of them subbed out when they had a large wagon on them? If they were scum, they were fairly caught. So if you say that they weren't caught scum, it sounds like a trust tell. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I just want to understand where you are coming from.

[Hikari Link]

it's more like
exhibit a) I say that it's not NAI, you think that I'm saying Titus is town = you say it's bad
exhibit b) I explain that I don't think it's AI = you say it's alright

Even if that was his stance, it's a pretty valid stance. Saying that it's NAI and that makes her town would not be an acceptable stance.
Saying that it's just NAI is. Even saying it's NAI

and

you think she's town for unrelated reasons.

[BigYoshiFan]

it's more like
exhibit a) I say that it's not NAI, you think that I'm saying Titus is town = you say it's bad
exhibit b) I explain that I don't think it's AI = you say it's alright

feels like you just want to oppose everything that opposes the titus wagon tbh

You even say it yourself. You

say

that it's NAI and I say it's bad. You

explain

why it's NAI and I understand.

[MMM]

Right.
Titus' sub-out comes off as less genuine for that reason, would you agree?

Just because we can't explain it doesn't necessarily mean it's not genuine.

Titus- the only one who was willing to try and discuss the game with me, feels town in the posting, weird wagon
Ircher- actually Ircher hasn't done much, I could possibly lynch it I guess?
MortFeld- scumhunting a lot and putting effort into it, don't see scum here
Transcend- felt town earlygame, ate is a logical fallacy but usually NAI
TwoFace- doublevoter is a plus and he is actively scumhunting.
BigYoshiFan- ? not sure on this one tbh, iso'd him earlier and his posts didn't really have any clear scum motivation
Gamma Emerald- actually looking back I don't really like this slot, feels like he's making a lot of posts that seem to have the motivation to look like scumhunting but he doesn't really do anything with the answers to his questions. I guess this would be my primary scumread?
Tarkus- his posts make sense and they resonate with me so this slot is probtown
-Grey- (replaces NotTheRealPaul)- he put a lot of effort into catching up into this game, and I don't think he'd want to aggravate me for no reason when he basically told me to stfu earlier.
ChannelDelibird- his hikari vote isn't great but he has made one post
MMM- I used to think this was scum but now I'm not sure- his explanation of his positions make sense and he's starting to feel progressively townier.
Hikari Link- in a game of spamposting and nullity he has taken explicit steps to advance the game. town.

Titus isn't that townie to be quite honest - just not that scummy. Grey aggravates people a lot in general, so I think it's NAI. Tarkus needs to post more before he can convince me he's town. Ircher has indeed not done a whole bunch but what he has done does feel like it comes from town. TwoFace isn't an IC but he seems townie to me. ChannelDelibird needs to post more and Transcend's sub will have a lot of convincing to do too.
Other than what I mentioned I'm mostly in agreement with your reads (which is to say I agree with you on <50% of all players lol)

@grey; the thing was that there was no scum motivation for trying to make me more emotive rly.
@Ircher; Meta is generally bad but it can be good in specific cases- and Ircher's play here doesn't really fit what I've seen him as when I played town!him in a handful of game.

I'm fairly certain that just because there's no scum motivation on every single post a person makes, that doesn't make them town...
And re: Ircher, that was my read anyway. I dislike meta and I'd avoid using it seriously as much as possible honestly - and as for whether your meta read is right, I do not know.

In post 729, Hikari Link wrote:
In post 699, MMM wrote:
With the bit of time I have right now:
In post 692, MarioManiac4 wrote:
like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
Being called an idiot wasn't the reason to get on
It was however an amazing reason to stay on afterwards and shit on him for everything
If he wasn't subbed my vote would be parked, even if he's subbed it probably is
No clue what you mean by "didn't want to stay on", I'm perfectly fine with doing so //shrug

Why would your vote stay parked, even if he is subbed?
I said probably. The sub has a lot of convincing to do. (if we ever get one)

I think you misunderstand me. I'm asking you why that's the case. Other than insult you, what activity made him

so

scummy that even with a replacement, his slot can't be redeemed.

When Transcend was still in and I hadn't voted him yet it seemed to me like it could really just be a playstyle thing, but by the time he subbed out he changed literally nothing and just kept spewing what at least seemed to be nonsense the entire time. And I feel like it's deliberate, and hence scum motivated.

Also, why did she wait until now to replace out if it was for that reason?

That's something I can't answer either, but I can say almost for sure none of the replace-outs were caught scum. (Maybe scum, definitely not caught)

And now it becomes a trust tell... sigh.

It's not a trust tell, it's just NAI.

How can you reconcile these two statements when both of them subbed out when they had a large wagon on them? If they were scum, they were fairly caught. So if you say that they weren't caught scum, it sounds like a trust tell. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I just want to understand where you are coming from.

Wagons can easily shift over time even if for a few days there are only a couple of people that are being focused on/wagoned. Unless 75% of the town says a person is scum (or there is evidence from a cop/similar), wagons can change, and therefore scum is not caught at all.
Just because there is a large wagon on you, heck even if it's at L-1, does not mean that if you replace out the reasoning HAS to be that you're caught scum.

[ThinkBig]

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