Mini Normal 1909: Girls ♥ Girls 1 ~ Endgame

[nancy]

Votecount 1.15

Titus (4)

~ Nachomamma8, Hikari Link, implosion, Alisae

Ser Arthur Dayne (2)

~ Prism, Aristophanes

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (2)

~ TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Fro99er

Alisae (2)

~ Keyser Söze, Firebringer

Firebringer (1)

~ Ser Arthur Dayne

Hikari Link (1)

~ Titus

Not voting (1)

~ Tammy

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2017-05-17 02:40:00).

[implosion]

Tammy, it's not that i'm not trying to sort titus. I've looked at her posts, and they don't really give me anything. I've tried to interact with her and she effectively ignored me.

It's that I don't know how to sort Titus.

[Hikari Link]

Firebringer: After this game is over, there's something I want to ask you about your playstyle. I'll try to remember, but please try too, cause I'm forgetful. Hopefully, one of us will remember.

we can go over this now anyways,

I am scumreading you anyways so it's not like I'll be offended

No, it's not about offense. It's something I'd rather wait for though.

And as for the scumread, what's your reasoning?

[implosion]

QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

The brute bravado that he had is not really alignment-indicative imo, it's just personality.

[Hikari Link]

QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

It's all text. I think anybody can fake anything.

[Tammy]

Spoiler:

Boon seems like he misrepped the fuck out of Firebringer. A lot. And he kept saying Firebringer was scum with such confidence so many times. Plus, his constant referring to himself as confirmed town bothers me. That absolutism doesn't sit well with me.

As for Firebringer, his relative uselessness for the whole time and his willingness to permavote Boon, even when he admitted Boon was probably town, is super suspect.

Though it did get heated. Like, really heated, regardless of what either party said, there was some heat there. It honestly didn't help me read either and it killed my motivation to read the game for several days. Boon definitely looked the worse of the two, but that's probably because I have much lower expectations of Firebringer at this point, based on his current contributions. I hear he picks up after Day 1 though, so I'll be expecting more from him if he sticks around before I make any further judgments on his usefulness.

Ultimately, I'm unsure on both, but Boon looks scummier. Somebody present a case why he's not scummy, because I don't see how he's the towniest town that ever towned.

@Firebringer:

After this game is over, there's something I want to ask you about your playstyle. I'll try to remember, but please try too, cause I'm forgetful. Hopefully, one of us will remember.

Now I really should do my homework. Get back to it later. Maybe nit until tomorrow, because there is a lot of ground to cover.

These are some of the weak reasons that I wanted to get to, but wasn't sure if they're a product of experience or alignment.

First off, I posted a link to a boon skies scum game here:

As for why Fire's town, I've been playing with Fire as long as you've played with Nacho. He can't carry a tune in a bucket as scum. He's jovial and joking around, but I can follow his joking. We generally mind meld and if I had a mind this game, we would be that close.

I agree about the excessiveness looking town. I was starting to worry a little earlier on, which is why I looked for a scum game. I remember either doing a meta dive or reading a meta case on him during team mafia, and thought there was something. Anyway, he seems way more in control of his game when he's scum

Other than that I think that Boon got very offended at being called a policy lynch, that or he thought it was someone who was trying to lynch him for being a VI. People do that and I think he got very confirmation biasy because of it.

Firebringer admitting that his policy lynch was a policy lynch is not alignment relevant. Probably more likely town for it due to him scum reading boon before hand and then thinking he was town for it but needed to be lynched for the good of the town. I've talked about this earlier today. Town do lynch people they think are town and detrimental to town from time to time.

[Hikari Link]

QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

It's all text. I think anybody can fake anything.

Well, not

anything

. But in terms of emotions.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer: After this game is over, there's something I want to ask you about your playstyle. I'll try to remember, but please try too, cause I'm forgetful. Hopefully, one of us will remember.

we can go over this now anyways,

I am scumreading you anyways so it's not like I'll be offended

No, it's not about offense. It's something I'd rather wait for though.

And as for the scumread, what's your reasoning?

I've explained it, I didn't like you being middle person between boon and me and your reaction to it all.

[Tammy]

As for why Fire's town, I've been playing with Fire as long as you've played with Nacho. He can't carry a tune in a bucket as scum. He's jovial and joking around, but I can follow his joking. We generally mind meld and if I had a mind this game, we would be that close.

Unless you and fire bringer come from another site together dating a few years back, then not as long, no. Do you have a record of reading him accurately?

I ask, in part, because this is quite light on the reasoning, but yet you've said it was off for nacho not to have many reasons for town reading me.

[Alisae]

QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

I skipped it completely so I can't really give an answer here but I'm not voting that slot for awhile so...

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QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

It's all text. I think anybody can fake anything.

I hate this response. I know it's probably true in the end, but I just hate it lmao. Seems like Hikari is trying to dodge the question here for no real reason.

[Tammy]

QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

It's all text. I think anybody can fake anything.

Well, not

anything

. But in terms of emotions.

there's a lot of things that people can and do fake, but there are some behaviors that people don't and won't due to alignment. His scum game shows him being far more in control than the town games I've seen of him.

But, I'm pretty good at reading Arthur, so boon skies shouldn't matter too much to my read there.

[Firebringer]

We both started on sc2mafia, though we didn't start same time.
I don't think we played a game together till late 2014?

[Firebringer]

I find it weird Titus says she can read me really well, since we both have had bad histories of reading each orher.
I love playing with her but god damn, wish i understood her better sometimes.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fire townread on me, update or has it changed, why

[Firebringer]

Your townie. But mostly for stupid reasons.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Your townie. But mostly for stupid reasons.

I LIVE FOR STUPID REASONS

Hit me up

[Firebringer]

You both did it. I dont care. Stop fighting at a childish level. Goodnight

P-edit: remind me in the morning

This is why I am townreading you

[Firebringer]

Repeating over and over "lynch Name" is just spam and it's annoying and I won't respect you as a player if you act petty like that.

Also this

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Town!Gin acts like a Dad >_>

Ironically my friends call me the Dad of the group

[Alisae]

I find it weird Firebringer says he can read me really well, since we both have had bad histories of reading each orher.
I love playing with him but god damn, wish i understood him better sometimes.

[Tammy]

I now want to town read alisae just because that made me chuckle.

[Firebringer]

I don't think I said I could read you well?
If I did I apologize for misleading.

[Alisae]

tbh.
I don't think you did.
I just wanted to copy and paste what you said and fix it to suit our own relationship when it comes to reading each other

[Firebringer]

I now want to town read alisae just because that made me chuckle.

It's actually funny.

[Hikari Link]

Spoiler: @Firebringer

Firebringer: After this game is over, there's something I want to ask you about your playstyle. I'll try to remember, but please try too, cause I'm forgetful. Hopefully, one of us will remember.

we can go over this now anyways,

I am scumreading you anyways so it's not like I'll be offended

No, it's not about offense. It's something I'd rather wait for though.

And as for the scumread, what's your reasoning?

I've explained it, I didn't like you being middle person between boon and me and your reaction to it all.

Okay. Not sure if that came later or if I just skimmed it while rereading you bicker. Either way, both of you seemed to be getting into a spammy, emotional battle that really seemed to have more to do with a disagreement about rb's motivations for replacing, rather than the game itself. I don't mind too people arguing, but when it gets bitter and repetitive like that, it makes other people bitter and makes the game less fun.

Spoiler: @Alisae

QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

It's all text. I think anybody can fake anything.

I hate this response. I know it's probably true in the end, but I just hate it lmao. Seems like Hikari is trying to dodge the question here for no real reason.

It's not meant to dodge the question. It's legitimately what I think. The reason I like forum-based Mafia is because I can compose myself and pick my words carefully. When I talk in real life, I have a hard time gathering my thoughts and feel rushed. The reason I hate it though is because everybody else can do that and it makes it harder to tell what's real and what's fabricated.

Spoiler: @Tammy

Can you elaborate? Both in terms of why the reasoning is why and why it is indicative of experience or alignment, please.

QUESTION TIME FOR THOSE EXCEPT FIRE:

Do you think Boon could have faked that bravado during the arguments?

It's all text. I think anybody can fake anything.

Well, not

anything

. But in terms of emotions.

there's a lot of things that people can and do fake, but there are some behaviors that people don't and won't due to alignment. His scum game shows him being far more in control than the town games I've seen of him.

But, I'm pretty good at reading Arthur, so boon skies shouldn't matter too much to my read there.

What are some of these things that people don't and won't do? Because the only stuff I can't see being faked is stuff that'd be really elaborate to fake, in terms of emotions.

Seriously, guys, my homework awaits. I won't be able to engage with your response until I fully catch up, because I'm imagining it's going to get lost in the shuffle again.