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[XnadrojX]

Official VC 1.12

The Largest Wagon is at L-2 (Titus)

Titus

(5): [Ircher,Transcend, BigYoshiFan, Gamma Emerald, Hikari Link]

Transcend

(2): [MMM, Titus]

MMM

(1): [Tarkus]

Hikari Link

(1): [ChannelDelibird]

Gamma Emerald

(1): [MortFeld]

Not Voting

(3): [RayFrost, TwoFace, MarioManiac4]

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

(Beat you to it!)

This is why GMT+8 Sucks

[TwoFace]

That's a good post.

[TwoFace]

Sorry mod that was meant for mort

What do you mean? Our posts weren't good?

[BigYoshiFan]

I prefer Titus' lynch, but I can also go MarioManiac or MMM.
I don't think I wanna lynch Gamma Emerald. Heading off to school now.

[Hikari Link]

Going too school, I'll poke in when and if I can. I'll try to look at Mort's case for Gamma when I can. Though my initial theory regarding a Gamma/Yoshi scum team flairs up anytime I see posts like 828. I keep worrying that that's just confirmation bias on my part though.

[TwoFace]

Titus

Why Titus

[MarioManiac4]

@tarkus; To be honest MMM pretty much cleared my concerns with 699 and I wasn't really scumreading his more recent posts at all.

[MortFeld]

Ok I am checking this out I think there is a logicy thing I can do and I am GOOD at those

[MortFeld]

That's a good post.

You requested that post all the way back in 350.

[MarioManiac4]

BigYoshiFan's posts on Titus' replacing being AI feel weirdish still, like he is looking for reasons to scumread Titus because of the momentum planted there. His vote on Titus overall really doesn't make much sense to me. So I guess scum could be there? I'm looking at the ISOs and posts in this game and I'm thinking, "alright, this one could be about scumhunting, it could be doing x" but it's hard to determine what is actually happening. I'm going to be referring to more recent posts from here on out and see if it helps if I read the discussions in real time individually and ask questions about them.

[MortFeld]

@tarkus; To be honest MMM pretty much cleared my concerns with 699 and I wasn't really scumreading his more recent posts at all.

OK

I take this to mean:

Mario had an MMM case. 699 made that case no longer scum indicative.

So here's Mario's specific MMM case that 699 addresses:

I'm not seeing either of these two wagons here. Still comfortable with my MMM vote because his explanation on his Transcend mini-tunnel just doesn't make sense to me.

But that's a stupid reason to want to lynch somebody. Just cause it doesn't make sense to you doesn't make it wrong/scummy/ or even alignment indicative.

What else do you have in mmm?

that was probably bad wording
like the reasoning behind all of the emotion related to transcend is basically non-existent, like he tunnelled transcend and I'm not really buying that this was because transcend called him an idiot backhandedly. I feel like he may have been seeking a way out of a Transcend wagon he didn't want to stay on.
as I have also stated earlier, he is posting a lot but I'm not sure all of the posting is catching scum, delivering reads etc.
I feel like the scum are either a) lurking or b) duping me because I'm only seeing MMM and even that is weak.

The implication is that Mario thinks that Transcend calling MMM an idiot (which didn't happen exactly like that but whatever) was MMM's reason for voting Transcend. What I'm curious about is what Mario thinks MMM's reason is now. Because that is not contained within 699, and the post that does contain it has a few issues that I think Mario should go into.

Also, how does MMM's explicit offense at being called an idiot imply that he was looking for a way out of the Transcend vote?

[MortFeld]

I think nearly every point from my Gamma "case" is a point I've already made.

[MarioManiac4]

i thought that he was claiming that his emotion was a major factor in his transcend voting
it feels more genuine now that I know that isn't the case

[MortFeld]

i thought that he was claiming that his emotion was a major factor in his transcend voting
it feels more genuine now that I know that isn't the case

And how does him claiming that his emotion was a major factor in his Transcend voting help him get off a Transcend wagon he doesn't want to be on? And where did you get the idea that he didn't want to be on the Transcend wagon?

[MortFeld]

And can you answer the other question from 835 too please?

[MarioManiac4]

i thought that he was claiming that his emotion was a major factor in his transcend voting
it feels more genuine now that I know that isn't the case

And how does him claiming that his emotion was a major factor in his Transcend voting help him get off a Transcend wagon he doesn't want to be on? And where did you get the idea that he didn't want to be on the Transcend wagon?

because he says that we should ignore his posts on transcend because they were based off of emotions and presumably not really because this was scummy. i thought this would provide an avenue to unvote transcend and back out of his points. if he did this, this would lead to him not actually wanting to be on the transcend wagon.

[Tarkus]

Why is MMM digging his heels in on Transcend, a slot you called 'town af', towny? I presume you don't agree with what he said in 798 and 803, so could you explain more on why you're reading him as genuine? It seems like you changed your read just because MMM has a reason for his vote beyond emotion, and that's not making sense to me given the content of his posts

[MarioManiac4]

Why is MMM digging his heels in on Transcend, a slot you called 'town af', towny? I presume you don't agree with what he said in 798 and 803, so could you explain more on why you're reading him as genuine? It seems like you changed your read just because MMM has a reason for his vote beyond emotion, and that's not making sense to me given the content of his posts

it's not even a read change tbh. I'm having real trouble actually pinpointing things this game that are scummy. I thought I saw it with MMM/I think Yoshi at one point but I really didn't. MMM digging his heels in on Transcend doesn't help us if Trans is indeed town but it's also not really scummy.
On the other hand everyone is town, but some people are more town than others, and my townreads ~feel~ ok right now.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus

Why Titus

I've explained here.

Spoiler:

Ok, this looks like weak town Transcend. I can't really do much with naked reasons, but that generally is how he likes to play town. So I'll put him as town for now and hope he gives more later.

Getting d1ed by a bunch of idiots who can't read me.

Lame.

>calling everyone lynching him idiots

I don't like his progression through the game

I don't like his pre flip associations

>not a single example

Titus+Mort/BYF+GE for early scum team imo

Not associating anyone that's just who I think is scummiest atm

Titus for reactions on me
Mort/BYF gives me TvS vibes
GE just feels scummy to me

This is junk

This is junk too

Mort help get the votes off of me lol

>does ate

I'm bad at defending myself unless i ate/wifom which i don't like doing

>talks about ateing next post

I'm sorry is this mafia or is this a fucking popularity contest?

Baaah.

Willing to vote Trans based on this and TwoFace.

These don't coincide well with me, especially if it's TwoFace's 153 post that you're referring to.

397, and her reads in general, look horrifically opportunistic.
She calls Transcend weak town in 182 based on his playstyle, so I find it hard to believe she was convinced he was scum after 388 and whatever TwoFace has said.
She still hasn't explained her read on me, and perhaps even ignored my request to explain it.
She doesn't have anything original that she's pushing (except Mortfeld I suppose), just other opinions.

And there was my stuff on her sub out, which you can read in my ISO if you want.

[BigYoshiFan]

BigYoshiFan's posts on Titus' replacing being AI feel weirdish still, like he is looking for reasons to scumread Titus because of the momentum planted there. His vote on Titus overall really doesn't make much sense to me. So I guess scum could be there? I'm looking at the ISOs and posts in this game and I'm thinking, "alright, this one could be about scumhunting, it could be doing x" but it's hard to determine what is actually happening. I'm going to be referring to more recent posts from here on out and see if it helps if I read the discussions in real time individually and ask questions about them.

What about my vote doesn't make sense?

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus

Why Titus

Kinda weird you asked for Titus, which is the only person listed that I explained my scumread for.

[XnadrojX]

WhemeStar replaced Transcend and havingfitz replaces Titus, effective upon their confirmation

[TwoFace]

Titus

Why Titus

Kinda weird you asked for Titus, which is the only person listed that I explained my scumread for.

You said that was your preference so why is that weird?

That first post you originally explained why never made sense to me and it still doesn't. I somehow missed the 2nd post and my first thought was why would it be weird for Titus to be convinced by my post when my post as previously stated by me was fucking awesome.

The things I pointed out that transcend did are still undisputed scummy. Nobody including you has explained how any of transcends actions could come from town.

People town reading transcend basically cause of meta or "bad feeling " worry me. But being wrong also worries me.

I'm still waiting for a convincing argument and the closest I've seen to one has been from mort. His post was really good. Why can't you make a good post? Make me change my read on you? You still look like scum pushing bad reasons.

[BigYoshiFan]

Titus

Why Titus

Kinda weird you asked for Titus, which is the only person listed that I explained my scumread for.

You said that was your preference so why is that weird?

That first post you originally explained why never made sense to me and it still doesn't. I somehow missed the 2nd post and my first thought was why would it be weird for Titus to be convinced by my post when my post as previously stated by me was fucking awesome.

The things I pointed out that transcend did are still undisputed scummy. Nobody including you has explained how any of transcends actions could come from town.

People town reading transcend basically cause of meta or "bad feeling " worry me. But being wrong also worries me.

I'm still waiting for a convincing argument and the closest I've seen to one has been from mort. His post was really good. Why can't you make a good post? Make me change my read on you? You still look like scum pushing bad reasons.

I don't understand what you don't understand.
Are you at a complete lost what I'm referring to when I speak about Titus?
Are you confused on how Titus is scummy for what I've pointed out?
And what post from Mort did you like? Was it 824? Would you like a case formatted like that, with specific posts for everything?

[WhemeStar]

What's up everyone

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