Mini Normal 1909: Girls ♥ Girls 1 ~ Endgame

[Titus]

Tammy, eyerolling isn't a productive discussion. I have players I am willing to lynch, who you don't TR yet refuse to vote. I TR everyone else. So I need you to state why you won't vote them.

[Tammy]

That is going to be my response to every lie or misrepresentation titus gives of me.

Disagreeing with people on a read and telling them why I disagree on someone I can read better than anyone is not discrediting. I have been open to listen to people's reasons and have refuted where the perception is wrong. If somebody is town and incorrectly scum reading town then their view of the game is wrong. If I can get them off a wrong track, I will.

The last few pages of titus are just blatant lies and mist. She's trying to antagonize me the same way she did to boonskies.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay in Pine's game Keyser felt more stream of consciousness and assertive

where here it's wishy wash and staying under the radar.

I agree completely with that and felt his posting was weak when I was catching up. It's probably a symptom of me not having been in the other game to gauche the level of atmosphere difference but it's not a convincing reason for me to go OMG SCUM KEYSER.

And I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how you get annoyed at me for using meta to say you're not playing to your town meta but that's the angle you're using to scumread Keyser.

[Tammy]

Tammy, eyerolling isn't a productive discussion. I have players I am willing to lynch, who you don't TR yet refuse to vote. I TR everyone else. So I need you to state why you won't vote them.

You're my top scum read.

Keyser is my second.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Tammy

[Aristophanes]

You guys post too much! XD

I'll start another catchup soon.

I just got

double

triple ninja'd.

[Tammy]

Gin

[Prism]

I'm mixed on Titus but I'd lean town. My impression of the Nacho/implosion first pages were that it seemed entirely normal for a town Nacho and weird for a town implosion, so I get how she characterized them as "off". I've only got one game with implosion, where he was town and I was mafia, and he was noticeably more different. I chalked this difference up mainly to a difference in characters present, as I have noticed that Nacho (and it seems Tammy) drastically change interpersonal dynamics. I'm also just not confident in my memory from a game months ago that I was scum in anyway.

I agree that the push on Hikari was really bad, but I wouldn't characterize it as scummy. There's a difference between a bad case and a malicious case, and this seems more like the former. (I'm talking primarily about their comments with regards to sorting-I don't think she'd have made those as scum if she knew they were fallacious. It was likely unintentional.) This doesn't really affect my read on Titus but I think Tammy's characterization of Titus simply muttering rather than actively trying to sort is also inaccurate, skimming Titus's ISO I've seen numerous followups/attempts to extract more, especially early on with Implosion and later with Hikari. In general I've been skeptical of Titus's reasoning but I see no reason to think of them as malicious, instead seeing reason to view them as coming from the right place, and they seem genuine. The Nacho scumread is a really odd one to push if she's scum with anyone besides Nacho.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Keyser today, Titus tomorow

[Fro99er]

where here it's wishy wash and staying under the radar.

he's not wishy washy here at all

his reads haven't changed from the start.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Keyset

[Fro99er]

And I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how you get annoyed at me for using meta to say you're not playing to your town meta but that's the angle you're using to scumread Keyser.

That's NOT the angle I'm using.

It's one of MANY reasons I'm using

You really aren't paying attention, are you

[Fro99er]

Watch, when keyser flips scum SAD is going to say I'm bussing keyser

because he wants me to be scum here

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Btw there are like 3 pages that happened and I read like 10 words per post.

Keyser is scum read by Frog, Alisae, me, Tammy, SAD, probs two more not listed and let's be real Ari is a free vote so we only need one more

[Fro99er]

SAD doesn't scum read keyser

[Titus]

Tammy, eyerolling isn't a productive discussion. I have players I am willing to lynch, who you don't TR yet refuse to vote. I TR everyone else. So I need you to state why you won't vote them.

You're my top scum read.

Keyser is my second.

You're pissed at me but deep down, you aren't SRing me. Your ISO reads more fuck you I am done than you're scum, die now. Keyser being your second scumread also makes no sense given how little you've dedicated to sorting him or supporting Frogger. It looks like you're just trying to be cooperative for the sake of it.

[Fro99er]

SAD's explaining away everything keyser does as not scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

SAD doesn't scum read keyser

SAD, start scum reading keyser

[Tammy]

I'm mixed on Titus but I'd lean town. My impression of the Nacho/implosion first pages were that it seemed entirely normal for a town Nacho and weird for a town implosion, so I get how she characterized them as "off". I've only got one game with implosion, where he was town and I was mafia, and he was noticeably more different. I chalked this difference up mainly to a difference in characters present, as I have noticed that Nacho (and it seems Tammy) drastically change interpersonal dynamics. I'm also just not confident in my memory from a game months ago that I was scum in anyway.

I agree that the push on Hikari was really bad, but I wouldn't characterize it as scummy. There's a difference between a bad case and a malicious case, and this seems more like the former. (I'm talking primarily about their comments with regards to sorting-I don't think she'd have made those as scum if she knew they were fallacious. It was likely unintentional.) This doesn't really affect my read on Titus but I think Tammy's characterization of Titus simply muttering rather than actively trying to sort is also inaccurate, skimming Titus's ISO I've seen numerous followups/attempts to extract more, especially early on with Implosion and later with Hikari. In general I've been skeptical of Titus's reasoning but I see no reason to think of them as malicious, instead seeing reason to view them as coming from the right place, and they seem genuine. The Nacho scumread is a really odd one to push if she's scum with anyone besides Nacho.

Early on with implosion, yes, but it got dropped and she wasn't prodding anything else, nor did she react to implosions vote on her which should have been a red flag.

The hiraki thing is literally the only town thing she's done.

[Prism]

I don't agree with your characterization of Titus's posts in the last few pages, Tammy. She clearly townreads you but is frustrated with some elements of your play, and while you may think of disagreeing and explaining as not being discrediting, you're already doing the same in that very post.

You explicitly state that Nacho is "someone you can read better than anyone." While this is likely a fact, the implication of it is that other's opinions on him are inherently less valuable or valid. This again

can be completely true

but it is definitely discrediting Titus. I think her reaction here feels town in the sense that she's not saying you're discrediting her from a scum place, but rather something you're doing as town that she thinks you should stop.

P-Edit: This is moving quickly so some parts of this may be outdated, I'll respond to anything in between in a followup rather than edit it now.

[Fro99er]

You're pissed at me but deep down, you aren't SRing me. Your ISO reads more fuck you I am done than you're scum, die now. Keyser being your second scumread also makes no sense given how little you've dedicated to sorting him or supporting Frogger. It looks like you're just trying to be cooperative for the sake of it.

This is why I can't go for Titus today

this post screams town to me even when I think other things scream not town at times about her.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

I'm mixed on Titus but I'd lean town. My impression of the Nacho/implosion first pages were that it seemed entirely normal for a town Nacho and weird for a town implosion, so I get how she characterized them as "off". I've only got one game with implosion, where he was town and I was mafia, and he was noticeably more different. I chalked this difference up mainly to a difference in characters present, as I have noticed that Nacho (and it seems Tammy) drastically change interpersonal dynamics. I'm also just not confident in my memory from a game months ago that I was scum in anyway.

I agree that the push on Hikari was really bad, but I wouldn't characterize it as scummy. There's a difference between a bad case and a malicious case, and this seems more like the former. (I'm talking primarily about their comments with regards to sorting-I don't think she'd have made those as scum if she knew they were fallacious. It was likely unintentional.) This doesn't really affect my read on Titus but I think Tammy's characterization of Titus simply muttering rather than actively trying to sort is also inaccurate, skimming Titus's ISO I've seen numerous followups/attempts to extract more, especially early on with Implosion and later with Hikari. In general I've been skeptical of Titus's reasoning but I see no reason to think of them as malicious, instead seeing reason to view them as coming from the right place, and they seem genuine. The Nacho scumread is a really odd one to push if she's scum with anyone besides Nacho.

Early on with implosion, yes, but it got dropped and she wasn't prodding anything else, nor did she react to implosions vote on her which should have been a red flag.

The hiraki thing is literally the only town thing she's done.

It hasn't been dropped. That's clearly a misrep. I bitched several times about Implosion being rejected, he's still in my lynch pool and lurked out. Holy crap woman.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how you get annoyed at me for using meta to say you're not playing to your town meta but that's the angle you're using to scumread Keyser.

That's NOT the angle I'm using.

It's one of MANY reasons I'm using

You really aren't paying attention, are you

My man

I spent like 20 mins comparing his ISO from the game you linked to here. I'm trying to see the angle you're coming from if you're town.

[Tammy]

Spoiler:

Tammy, eyerolling isn't a productive discussion. I have players I am willing to lynch, who you don't TR yet refuse to vote. I TR everyone else. So I need you to state why you won't vote them.

You're my top scum read.

Keyser is my second.

You're pissed at me but deep down, you aren't SRing me. Your ISO reads more fuck you I am done than you're scum, die now. Keyser being your second scumread also makes no sense given how little you've dedicated to sorting him or supporting Frogger. It looks like you're just trying to be cooperative for the sake of it.

I'm no longer pissed. I no longer care that you repeatedly lie, don't read my posts and antagonize me. I'm done caring because I'm done trying.

Lie away.

I am scumreading you. If that's not been clear since early game with me trying to sort you and ask you to start being town if you are, then okay.

My suspicion in keyser was clear early on. But go ahead and tell me how you read my posts.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Watch, when keyser flips scum SAD is going to say I'm bussing keyser

because he wants me to be scum here

Legit no joke I think that's actually a strong possibility.

I'm just waiting for carefree Frogger who's a strong independent player who don't care how he looks to show up...