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Official Vote Count

WhemeStar

(6): TwoFace, TwoFace, Ircher, Hikari Link, havingfitz, WhemeStar

Gamma Emerald

(2): MortFeld, Tarkus

Ircher

(1): MarioManiac4

Hikari Link

(1): PenguinPower

Not Voting

(4): BigYoshiFan, MMM, RayFrost, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

WhemeStar is the leading wagon and is at L-1

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

[WhemeStar]

UNVOTE:

Okay

[TwoFace]

I'm self voting to help you out

Want me to unvote if selfvotimg is scummy?

I don't really care what you do anymore since you are scum. Though if you are town yeah I will definitely be mad at you cause there is no excuse for this crappy play

[WhemeStar]

I know you so well twoface

[Hikari Link]

Why is Trans/Wheme slot scum? Summary plz.

His anti-town play early on (I personally didn't find it scummy, so much as flawed).
The circumstances of him replacing out (I think he flip-flopped several times) and during the times he was allegedly outing, he was posting and his name was never placed in the Replacement thread.
Wheme only questioning his alleged scumread for opportunistic voting, even though his decllared townreads did exactly the same thing.
Wheme self-vote.
Wheme correcting "when I flip scum" to "if I flip scum." Admittedly a weaker reason, but still feels suspect to me.

[Hikari Link]

And this is why somebody should've hammered...

[WhemeStar]

lol hikari your town but the reasons are weak

[WhemeStar]

Your last reason isn't even a reason

[havingfitz]

What are you saying.. "ok watcher"? And town watcher is a fairly common role. I don't think I've ever seen a scum one.

because I love doing research.

From mafia games 1400 to 1897

Full watcher - 9 times
Limited Watcher by some sort of modifier - 7 times
Mafia Watcher - 4 times
Mafia Joat with 1 watcher ability - 1 time

I didn't go previous to 1400

as I felt it was unnecessary.

Then you missed the lone game that had a watcher and double voter in it...circa 2007.
And the double voter was scum.

[MarioManiac4]

Wheme selfvoting is town more than anything IMO.

[MarioManiac4]

also, "if i flip town" has slight motivation as town but i don't think scum would do it ever

[MarioManiac4]

like
his selfvote is bad af as scum and I can't see scum doing it ever
His selfvote was evidently not a scumclaim now and although it is bad I don't think it was scum at all
(im going to feel so stupid if wheme flips scum lmao)

[TwoFace]

I did. I want to hear someone's reasoning why.

transc did scummy shit
got pressured and reacted poorly
falsely accused me of some shit
when the pressure wasn't backing off took his ball and went home
Wheme replaced in and has done absolutely no scum hunting
refused to make a case on his top scum read and in the process proved himself a hypocrite
self voted

that's pretty much a recipe for scum imo

[TwoFace]

I know you so well twoface

clearly you don't because if you did you would know I would scum read you for the things you have done and you did them anyway

[MarioManiac4]

transc/wheme slot has done anti-town things
but i think it's town

hypocrisy doesn't always come from scum btw

[TwoFace]

Then you missed the lone game that had a watcher and double voter in it...circa 2007.
And the double voter was scum.

it's cute that you still think the reason why I think your claim is fake is because of my double voting ability when I pretty much implied earlier it wasn't...

[havingfitz]

like
his selfvote is bad af as scum and I can't see scum doing it ever
His selfvote was evidently not a scumclaim now and although it is bad I don't think it was scum at all
(im going to feel so stupid if wheme flips scum lmao)

Scum self voting is not uncommon. More often it's as a hammer to avoid discussion but I've seen non hammer scum self votes. For the reaction you're having.

[TwoFace]

Wheme selfvoting is town more than anything IMO.

nope and shame on you or anyone else who dare say self voting is town. don't degrade this site anymore than it already has been.

[MarioManiac4]

it's the way he did it
not that he did it

[TwoFace]

I can't see scum doing it ever

[havingfitz]

it's cute that you still think the reason why I think your claim is fake is because of my double voting ability

I never said this. I like research too and thought it an interesting find.

[MarioManiac4]

"HIS selfvote"
like jfc if you're going to attack me at least get your facts right

[TwoFace]

it's the way he did it
not that he did it

doesn't compute...

town should never do it so there is no "if you do it this way it's totally acceptable" part in my rulebook and it shouldn't be in anyone else's either...

[TwoFace]

it's cute that you still think the reason why I think your claim is fake is because of my double voting ability

I never said this. I like research too and thought it an interesting find.

i definitely felt it was implied because why else would you single that out?

I will say that the reason I don't think you are watcher is because of something completely different than my ability do double vote. I will not be sharing what that reason is because it is really irrelevant when it will be clear soon enough if you are telling the truth or lying.

[MarioManiac4]

i'm not saying it's acceptable
i'm saying it looks town if anything