Newbie 1795 | Summer | Endgame

[Cece]

Ah no! Oh dear sorry, stupid arse week. Let's look at the last..two pages? Ok well guess I can't complain tis also my fault.

Ok have read thru again.
VOTE: NotMafia

this is not just a lurking/post more prod, a don't think it would do much b would be hypocritical, but seriously all the way those one-liners are going doesn't advance the game, at most it's just questions that he don't seem to follow up on, and I don't see a single honest scumhunting effort even implied in his posts.

It *might* just be a result of not lurking much, but my gut also says that.. I dunno, there's something there. His stuff just also feels contrived, and have difficulty seeing a town mindset behind it. For instance post 133 (I don't know how to link) is v much jumping on the bandwagon - no not even that, cause it's expressing lack of knowledge. Does he even have opinions?

Two replacements - want to see more, but liking Kal so far. jj still town, Fykus/Zito ehhh, Cero more town than before but that might be cause I find NM scummier.

[Cece]

It *might* just be a result of not lurking much

Whoops replace 'lurking' with 'posting'

[Kawl]

ay yo jj, how many scum do you reckon are on my wagon?

And this reaction is why I think showing your hand in that earlier post is a poor way to play. You've shown that you think Fykus is running a honey pot with a deliberately bad argument, so when any pressure builds on him he can naturally turn to you and act like that was his intent all along and he's been successful now.

[Cece]

I suppose one of the things I actually find off, thinking bout it, is that despite the prods he's obviously reading the thread and -possibly- actually has opinions, but isn't posting them. There doesn't even seem to be rhyme or reason in the questions he's asking/comments he's making, there isnt' a point he's leading towards, it's just, like, posting I guess. Also nobody's jumped on him yet and - nah, I'm not sure if mafia would've if he's town, but they might have.

But I guess he might also be replaced soonish - I'm not sure if I should continue my read on him thru to a new player/replacement? Could just be posting style, lack of time, I guess.

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.06

jjh927

(2): Not_Mafia, Fykus

Fykus

(2): Kawl, Tchill13

Cero68

(1): Papa Zito

Papa Zito

(1): jjh927

Not_Mafia

(1): Cece

Not Voting

(2): Cero68, Arnold Schwarzenegger

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-21 13:30:00)

[Kawl]

Kawl and Arnold what are your thoughts on Zito?

Null ATM. Nothing really jumping out, but definitely nothing worth nudging to a town lean from my perspective yet.

[Not_Mafia]

I think Cece is an alt

[Cece]

I think Cece is an alt

ahaha why is that? never actually played mafia online before.

Also hey one line posts that don't contribute much again.

[Not_Mafia]

Exacttly what an alt would say

[Cece]

lol k dude. Airtight case there.

Also btw kind of telling that I'm the only person you've posted a proper opinion of so far, and it's not even about my alignment? v v good.

[Cece]

Fykus is an obvious alt, so I'm curious to see what he'll do.

I think Cece is an alt

Also this is a thing. Not sure why. Wouldn't it be funny if they were mafia together?

[Tchill13]

Not_Mafia do you have any town or scum reads?

[Cero68]

Hey Everyone,

Finished reading the last couple of days of post. And here are some of my thoughts:

I'm a little wary of tchill13 since it seems to me from his post that he keeps changing his vote whenever there is a new argument presented for one of the other players. This only makes me suspicious because it seems that he might be trying to gain trust in jumping in bandwagons, but that only makes me suspicious of his actions.

On that note, I feel like Not_Mafia's last post are really strange. I don't see what's the problem with having an alt account since from what I read on the wiki it's encourage a bit for players to create one if it's not used in shifty ways so why keep calling it out. Also on that note who cares since we are still playing the game and it doesn't affect the game state besides trying shift peoples perceptions of how that person will play. There might be a reason for these kinds of post especially if he's an SE and I would hope he would have developed more as a player due to his experience. Papa Zito posted that he has his own play style and Not_Mafia might be doing something similar, but his actions with Cece makes me think he's scum. So...

VOTE: Not_Mafia

That said I still don't understand why you didn't join jj instead of just flat unvoting. If you're attempting to pressure lurkers into posting why not help him with someone who has checked in vs leaving your vote completely off?

Also to answer Papa Zito's question on this post, I'm not completely sure what I get from you. Of course I'm not thrilled with getting immediately voted by you right away, but I feel like your trying to get the ball rolling and are analyzing reactions and responses from others. I can't really say you lean scum since the only real thing you've done is voted for me and watched people from there. Point is that it's early and none of your actions actually justify a vote at this stage.

[Not_Mafia]

I don't have any strong reads, and I'm not saying anything positive or negative about Cece being an alt, it's just speculation

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

I'm tempted to L-1 you but I suppose I shouldn't, just in case scum decide to pull a fast one.

VOTE: Jax Teller

Because I hated jax by the end of that show.

The way Fykus mentions he'd like to put him at L-1 here then doesn't. Easy attempt for town cred but jj would have more than likely Unvoted himself. Fykus then blows this off a few posts later. Zito and jj get into a discussion and Fykus states jj won... Seems "convenient" to me that jj lost his discussion with Zito after jj was the one who brought up Fykus' L-1 comment. I personally don't think either side "won" that discussion. Then Fykus' post on 132 seems to be grasping at straws a little. It's also very well put together and planned out which makes me see Fykus' argument as "I'm scum defending myself trying to throw the attention on jj"

tbh I would also not put anyone at L-1 in a newbie game so early in the game. I don't see it as an attempt for town cred at all. Just playing safe.
How would you think town should have reacted to the pressure Fykus was on?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

I'm actually an alt. Do I win a prize?

NM, what do you think about Fykus? Town/Scum?

[Papa Zito]

Also to answer Papa Zito's question on this post, I'm not completely sure what I get from you. Of course I'm not thrilled with getting immediately voted by you right away, but I feel like your trying to get the ball rolling and are analyzing reactions and responses from others. I can't really say you lean scum since the only real thing you've done is voted for me and watched people from there. Point is that it's early and none of your actions actually justify a vote at this stage.

Welcome back d00d.

I'm afraid that doesn't really address my question. I'm not terribly concerned what your view of me is. I'm more looking for an explanation about

A: Why did you choose to vote a slot that hadn't posted

at all

; and
B: Why you didn't place your vote on a wagon that jj supported since he was doing the exact same thing you're doing. I'm not a math nerd but if your goal is to pressure lurkers surely 2 votes > 1 vote?

[Papa Zito]

I'm actually an alt. Do I win a prize?

NM, what do you think about Fykus? Town/Scum?

I just saw this on reddit: https://www.wired.com/2009/10/schwarzenegger/

[Tchill13]

I'm not sure how you can call it hopping on wagons for town cred at this point when nobody has had 3 votes on them. There's been hardly any pressure applied to anyone this game so far. Fykus play after his comment seems scummy to me. Not_mafias play seems just as scummy right now. If I'm not mistaken they're both voting jj right now... Very odd feeling to me.

[Tchill13]

I also think town should have pushed fykus more. Honestly at this point though not_mafias lack of cooperation and scum hunting is pretty alarming. He's keeping up with the game and has absolutely no reads.

[Tchill13]

Zito is bribg up great points as well if anyone is wondering where I stand on that conversation.

[jjh927]

Oh yeah, speaking of Zito, I don't need this anymore.

UNVOTE: Papa Zito

[Fykus]

I kind of like Fykus' case on me tbh, but only because I think it was built to see how I react. I don't see it as a case rooted in real opinions. He's a scumlean but I'll let you guys push him because I need to work on placing other people more. I've only really got scumreads rn.

PEdit: Oh, I agree with Zito there.

Na there was no ulterior reason for the case on you, honestly it was the only "potential" scuminess from anyone I could see in the thread at the time. I guess nobody agreed with it though because nobody bothered to talk about it or follow.

Your wagon right now is Tchill and Kawl, right? I haven't placed Tchill properly but he's a townlean, and Kawl is null. I mean, it's a 2 person wagon. 0-1 scum, leaning 0.

Why haven't you made more of an effort to push me and follow up on your case?

In retrospect it was a pretty weak case (without having more stuff to add to it, so maybe itll come back into play later on). Anywho, I think I've got a gut read for now, so I'm going to be looking for some evidence to back it up, so I wont be needing this:

UNVOTE: jjh

[Fykus]

Also I feel that Ceros post was pretty genuine so I'm chucking him into my town pile for now.

[jjh927]

I guess now is a good time to respond to

ay yo jj, how many scum do you reckon are on my wagon?

And this reaction is why I think showing your hand in that earlier post is a poor way to play. You've shown that you think Fykus is running a honey pot with a deliberately bad argument, so when any pressure builds on him he can naturally turn to you and act like that was his intent all along and he's been successful now.

See, if I offer an explanation for motives and it is taken, then we have a new angle to push, and it's a relatively easy one from a scumhunting perspective. Also consider that scum looking to justify their reasoning post-hoc might be happy to take a suggestion like that without really thinking about how that might backfire.