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[Kelvin Smith]

@Hikari what about grey? No read on him?

To be quite honest, not off the top of my head. I never got to interact with him directly and I just kinda skimmed the action at the time. Might ISO him later, when I have the chance, but I'm generally opposed to lynching low-activity players Day 1. There are semi-legitimate reasons (as well as some less legitimate reasons) to do this as town.

[MortFeld]

Gamma seems to be egging on the titus/fitz lynch on the basis of having a tell that works if the slot flips scum, but his only reason for thinking it's scum is that Titus changed her transcend read. Like, I think the reason for the scumread is weak, and wanting a lynch to verify a tell that only works if the slot is scum is awfully convenient for scum trying to push this lynch.

He hasn't been exploring other options for a while now and I think tunneling on titus to this extent for the reasons he has given is scummy.

Plus after looking back on the earlier stuff I see what you're saying Mort. Makes more sense to me than most cases at this point.

Is this still the extent of your Gamma read, Tarkus?

This gamestate is awful. I'm not just complaining, I think it's this way for a reason and that reason is not just TF/Titus/Transcend/Fitz fighting. I don't know what the reason is but there is a large set {Tarkus, Ircher, GE, MM4} and you might throw me in there not counting the first few pages and maybe MMM, who are implicitly keeping the gamestate where it is by posting yet having very few game-related interactions. This is scummy and I think there is absolutely scum in this set.

Hikari Link/Kelvin is not scum. I do not like that people are shading them for trying to move the gamestate along. People who have done this are Wheme and Yoshi. Maybe Yoshi should be in the above set too.

I am very hesitant on PP. I think I am always suspicious of PP. PP replaced into a shitshow so I don't blame him for sheeping my reads. How he determined I am worth sheeping? I don't know. This is the main reason I was willing to vote him. But by my hidden metric (which I am working on game by game and which I can't reveal because it can be manipulated) he feels town. Again this is a metric for myself and myself alone and it's not the end all be all of how I read people but it has been very useful in the couple of games I've used it.

Wheme is Wheme. He's probably town.

I will vote anyone in that set above with the exception of Yoshi, MMM, and obviously myself. I don't think I want to vote anyone outside that set other than Fitz.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm here, and will hopefully completely catch up in one session.

[BigYoshiFan]

Hikari Link/Kelvin is not scum. I do not like that people are shading them for trying to move the gamestate along. People who have done this are Wheme and Yoshi. Maybe Yoshi should be in the above set too.

Where did I do this?

[Kelvin Smith]

Spoiler: Analysis of Who People Want to Kill

Please let me know if any of these is wrong, because everyone was not nice enough to make a convenient list for me with a clear order.

Kelvin's Top 3

PP
Wheme
Gamma
Bonus: IDGAF and will lynch most people, if the wagon is popular

MMM's Top 3

Yoshi
PP
Wheme

Mario's Top 3

Ircher
Gamma
Ray

fitz's Top 4

Wheme
Gamma
Yoshi/Ircher

TwoFace's Top 1

Wheme

Tarkus's Top 2

Gamma
Wheme

Mort's List of Lynchables

Tarkus
Ircher
Gamma
Mario

Ircher's Lynch Pool

PP
Tarkus
Ray

Wheme Presumed List of Because He Won't Make a Damn List Like I Asked

MMM
Ray
Mario

Based on these numbers, I see a potential of:

3 Votes for PP
6 votes for Wheme (though it seems most are merely compromising on this)
5 Votes for Gamma
3 Votes for Yoshi (counting my IDGAF)
4 Votes for Ircher (counting my IDGAF)
3 Votes for Ray (no IDGAF because lynching lurkers Day 1 seems like a bad policy)
3 Votes for Mario (counting my IDGAF)

As you can all see, Gamma and Wheme are the only two really viable lynches right now, so let go of your pipe dreams Day 1. If a person you want lynched isn't one of those two people, make a case against them now and if you die tonight, we'll evaluate the case tomorrow. For now, let's stop dicking around and end this hellish nightmare.

tl;dr:
1. Gamma and wheme are the only viable candidates.
2. If you want someone else lynched, make a case against them now so that we can evaluate it Day 2 in the event that you die.

[MortFeld]

Hikari Link/Kelvin is not scum. I do not like that people are shading them for trying to move the gamestate along. People who have done this are Wheme and Yoshi. Maybe Yoshi should be in the above set too.

Where did I do this?

Wasn't you, my bad. I forgot who the non-Wheme person was.

[MortFeld]

Hikari Link/Kelvin is not scum. I do not like that people are shading them for trying to move the gamestate along. People who have done this are Wheme and Yoshi. Maybe Yoshi should be in the above set too.

Where did I do this?

Wasn't you, my bad. I forgot who the non-Wheme person was.

It was Penguin. But he didn't do it in a very scummy way so nvm.

[BigYoshiFan]

The Whemestar wagon is my deadline lynch. I do still maintain a slight TR on him, but like TwoFace said, he won't help us whether he's town or scum.

I'd rather not lynch fitz today, mainly because of his watcher claim. He'll either prove himself or slowly start digging his grave with that claim, and we'll have a much better judgment of his alignment then.

I want a comprehensive reads list from Gamma. He hasn't done anything recently that invokes a townread from me, and the reasons I've given earlier aren't as important now. From there I will construct a read on Gamma.

PenguinPower is my desired lynch. Everything he's doing doesn't seem genuine. Reads on the basis of whether they agree with his reads or not. His push on Kelvin for his desire to get the day over with despite calling him a top-tier townread, stating that for that reason, his townread on Kelvin is declining, and ending it off in saying that it could be of either alignment. post 1365, post 1386, post 1405

But if I do it as town every game, people will TR me for doing it when I'm scum

I will now lynch this regardless of alignment.

Then he waits 10 posts. Also, what prompted this reaction? I'm not sure if I understand the scum motivation in Whemestar creating a truth tell, admitting it, and then stating it was a joke.

VOTE: wheme

VOTE: PenguinPower

[BigYoshiFan]

Also, quite proud of myself to committing to catching up instead of snoozing, which I almost did.

[PenguinPower]

Why leave out the post where I said I didn't want to push for Hikari's lynch today? Why leave out the post progression leading up to me voting Wheme - ya know, his "lol" "its a joke"? Rubbed me wrong, and I now I want him gone.

Also, both of my stated reads involving their reads were not solely based on that, and I stated as much. You shouldn't be so proud when you obviously made a shallow read through.

I don't have three I'm willing to lynch. I'll lynch Gamma or Wheme.

[XnadrojX]

Okay, firstly, I apologise for my absence over the past 2 days. ThinkBig has kept the game going and produced about 3 times more VCs than me. Given that my timezone means that my votecount are provided during the dead period, ThinkBig's help in providing votecount while you guys are active is invaluable.
Thus, I'm inclined to view ThinkBig from here as a Co-Mod instead as a backup.

Official Vote Count

WhemeStar

(4): TwoFace, TwoFace, PenguinPower, MMM

Gamma Emerald

(3): Tarkus, MarioManiac4, Kelvin Smith

PenguinPower

(2): Ircher, BigYoshiFan

Not Voting

(5): havingfitz, MortFeld, RayFrost, WhemeStar, Gamma Emerald

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-16 18:21:03)

Gonna fix this ugly VC later.

[PenguinPower]

Mudkip!

Long time no see, altman.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really just don't care as long as I don't townread it

[MortFeld]

Wait is tarkus just scum?

[WhemeStar]

Hey so I'm here who wants to talk

[MortFeld]

Hey so I'm here who wants to talk

Tarkus read

[BigYoshiFan]

Why leave out the post where I said I didn't want to push for Hikari's lynch today? Why leave out the post progression leading up to me voting Wheme - ya know, his "lol" "its a joke"? Rubbed me wrong, and I now I want him gone.

Also, both of my stated reads involving their reads were not solely based on that, and I stated as much. You shouldn't be so proud when you obviously made a shallow read through.

I don't have three I'm willing to lynch. I'll lynch Gamma or Wheme.

Can you include all the posts you're referring to here?

[BigYoshiFan]

Hey so I'm here who wants to talk

Has your Penguin read changed now that he's voted you?

[Ircher]

3 Votes for Ray (no IDGAF because lynching lurkers Day 1 seems like a bad policy)

I disagree with tht greatly -- lurkers ar good lynches if there are no better alternatives in my opinin.

[MortFeld]

3 Votes for Ray (no IDGAF because lynching lurkers Day 1 seems like a bad policy)

I disagree with tht greatly -- lurkers ar good lynches if there are no better alternatives in my opinin.

You're Mafia??

[WhemeStar]

Hey so I'm here who wants to talk

Tarkus read

Null - Scum, not enough activity IMO. Id be fine lynching but I really don't want to lynch someone inactive.

[MortFeld]

Hey so I'm here who wants to talk

Tarkus read

Null - Scum, not enough activity IMO. Id be fine lynching but I really don't want to lynch someone inactive.

But if he's inactive because he's scum? I'll write more on this.

[MortFeld]

1551 might be the most accurate picture of the game

[Ircher]

3 Votes for Ray (no IDGAF because lynching lurkers Day 1 seems like a bad policy)

I disagree with tht greatly -- lurkers ar good lynches if there are no better alternatives in my opinin.

You're Mafia??

What's that have to do w/ nme being mafia?

I don't know who taught you that lynching lurkers D1 was bad because that is how lurkers slip through to LyLo.

[MortFeld]

You're Mafia??