OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

[Javajoe24]

seems like a lot of fluff and filler without actual content.

blatant misrep

Case in point

[Realeo]

I can understand why KMD triggered by Theta. If Theta is newbie, I can understand the math-sturbation, but given he is alt, I expect Theta not to post that.

I'm satisfied with my vote with Dave.

I'm open if anyone want to counter-wagon javajoe.

Delta looks to be actively sorting and trying to work out the game

No?

I mean, Delta spend sometimes responding to attack at him but I don't think he deserves the credit.

Gamma townread is my strongest read in the game by some distance

Oh man

Yeah, this need some explanation.

[Realeo]

seems like a lot of fluff and filler without actual content.

blatant misrep

Case in point

I'm no longer scum?

[Realeo]

Deadline in (May 21st).

Currently (by this post), we have 8 days remaining.

With 5 scums, there are going to be a lot of scummy people. It may be hard to gather a majority vote on time as there way too many scummy people.

Therefore, I have a proposition to ask.

I'm going to manage a second (pseudo) voting board.

What I want to do is to vote

5 people

that you think who is scum (no matter he is werewolf or mafia, Theta).

You vote with hurt tag

Code: Select all

[hurt]Insert name here[/hurt]

I don't think scum able to manipulate this on multiball as they have incentive to ensure the other faction is lynched.

So here's an example vote from me:

HURT: Dave
HURT: java
HURT: Theta (I'm not quite sure I'm satisfied with that vote)
HURT: Delta
HURT: shqf

Second voting:
Dave : (1) Realeo
java : (1) Realeo
Theta : (1) Realeo
Delta : (1) Realeo
shqf : (1) Realeo

Why I think this second voting is good?

1. It forces people to not tunnel and have a bigger picture. I particularry worried by KMD who only come to one scumread.

2. It's possible that unanimously, people that believe that X is scum but no one want to vote him because he's not the scummiest (ie. only 3rd scummiest). It's our natural instinct to only vote the scummiest when in reality, you only need to vote any of the 5 scums to win. The second leaderboard will be able to highlight those implicit consesus.

3. No. It's not too early. At least not in multiball

4. I see for example, Dunnstral start getting wide with his scumread. However, it's quite hard to track his scumread. (Uh, dave, delta, kmd, gamma. Omigosh. My mental memory broke down.)

[DeltaW]

@DeltaW: Who is that last one directed to?

Trihexa's replace out, and the fact he's busy seems to follow through through with it suggests that we put them off playing or they're an alt and not being used now because they've claimed they're busy.

Gamma, you've made that point in 410 about my main, because I can only post after you guys go to sleep (8 am GMT/ 2 am CT) or just after you've woken up (4 pm GMT/ 10 am CT), I'm scraping the barrel to find more content and if I repeat what you guys say I get called out for sheeping.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't understand what you are conveying Delta

[Kmd4390]

Realeo, my five would be firescreamer, theta, dunn, delta, and the last one is kind of a toss up. I guess put shqf there.

[shiqf]

Ok I'm here in full force now, sorry guys

[Realeo]

Second voting:
Dunn : (1) kmd
Dave : (1) Realeo
java : (1) Realeo
Theta : (2) Realeo, kmd
Delta : (2) Realeo, kmd
shqf : (2) Realeo, kmd
Firesceamer: (1) Kmd

[Kmd4390]

I'd still like this answered even though the votes have changed:

Shiqf, so no scum reads? Does it worry you that no one stands out as suspicious to you? What do you think of dave, realeo, and firescreamer who all have more than one vote on them?

[Javajoe24]

My 5 would be realeo, Dunn, theta, kmd, and shqf

[Flubbernugget]

I have tried reading the thread several times and can't really process so this should set my Prod timer til the weekend

What exactly is it that you can't process? It's not like we have a ton of posts here that reading it should be a problem, and it isn't a bunch of spam either. Plenty of things need followed up and town should be prepared to pull their weight.

If there is something RL that's different...

I honestly thought it was because of work but after trying to read from my last content post to my prodge I still do t have much of a clue of what happened

I'll push through to the end within an hour ish where

[Flubbernugget]

Realeo is pushing at a frustratingly granular level and it's like he forgot he was playing with human beings

[Flubbernugget]

Page 15 has a lot of theory posting

I'm probably moving my vote back to theta

[Flubbernugget]

Ugh. Way to guarantee mafia won't help us catch wolves.

Either that or you're a wolf yourself.

Unvote, Vote Theta

There is no good reason why town would post that.

I don't understand this

[Flubbernugget]

That's a rather useless post Dunnstral
Igmeou

It's one post

What else about dunnstral don't you like

[Flubbernugget]

So using graphs is scummy?

This is honestly looked like where your vote was coming from

[Flubbernugget]

town only wants to lynch two of the players right now
the wolves

How are we supposed to differenciate between wolves and mafia day 1?
Anyway, lynching mafia is still an advantage/good

^this

Weren't you posting about discerning the two on pg 15?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: theta alpine

[Kmd4390]

Flubber my issue was with theta posting data that seems to suggest a scum team should be trying to lynch town rather than opposing scum.

And no, I don't think you can tell which scum team someone belongs to before a scum flips. My page 15 was to show scum why they need to be hunting each other.

[Realeo]

Realeo is pushing at a frustratingly granular level and it's like he forgot he was playing with human beings

Nah, if I'm that granular, Theta would be dead.

[Realeo]

My 5 would be realeo, Dunn,

theta

, kmd, and shqf

Why is theta scummy? I thought you like his math work?

[davesaz]

@kmd: Furthermore town should not really care which kind of scum to lynch d1.
I find that whole thing distasteful and probably wrong, but I don't have a good feel for whether it is AI.

There isn't much difference between what realeo is trying to drive and keeping track of scumreads. I have been finding it hard to understand his approach to the game. I don't think it is likely that scum would have good motivation for trying this unless they thought their team was unlikely to show up on the list. I have had some RL stuff the past couple days and only skimmed, so I'd need to think about my 5.

[Realeo]

I'm somewhat confident that Gamma is town. If anyone disagrees--beside Dunn--someone please bite me quickly.

[Realeo]

@kmd: Furthermore town should not really care which kind of scum to lynch d1.
I find that whole thing distasteful and probably wrong,

but I don't have a good feel for whether it is AI

Yeah, that is exactly the reason why I'm not exactly happy hurting (ie. voting) Theta. If Theta does not make that post--I would probably name Hellfire Missile, instead.

I mean, it's so stupid that town won't do it--

but why is exactly scum would post it?

I mean, if I were mafia!Theta, I would post it in my daychat to tell my partner instead of main thread. "Yo! Bro! We need to stop scumhunting werewolf and push lynch instead."

So it's either werewolf!Theta and town!Theta. mafia!Theta makes no senses. But someone inside my gut says Theta is town.