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[MathBlade]

I had facts Keyser claimed vig. One shot vig claimed in hood. Hood explained likely gambit. I back off. Good night LUV.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well I mean could you explain the basis for scum reading as well as why Kelvin hasn't voted me yet?

When you wake up of course, I wasn't trying to keep you awake by the way.

[Gamma Emerald]

Right now I feel PV is more likely to be the mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

Neapolitan is a role that confirms if someone is Vanilla or Not Vanilla mr. Memstar sir.

so a Vanilla Townie or Mafia Goon would return 'VANILLA'

and a Mafia Encryptor or Cop for example would return 'NOT VANILLA'

This is wrong. It checks for VTs, not Vanilla Roles.
Stating this for future games

[keyenpeydee]

VOTE COUNT

VOTE COUNT 5.06

[L-2] Lil Uzi Vert:

shos, Creature, Mathblade,

[1] Mathblade:

Lil Uzi Vert,

Not Voting:

Kelvin Smith, PeregrineV, Keyser Söze, Gamma Emerald,

MOD NOTES:

Day Five will end in May 26, 2017.

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to lynch. Day Five will end in

(expired on 2017-05-27 00:05:00)

.

[Gamma Emerald]

LUV I really hope you aren't SK because I don't many to have to lynch in the Dauntless people

[Gamma Emerald]

Serum wasn't used last night in erudite, confirmed with key.

We didn't vote a majority.

PeregrineV please elaborate on what is said here. Who was voted for the kill, and who voted for those people?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh btw
Creature if we lynch scum, USE YOUR SERUM. Claim your target. We will then lynch you to safeguard against you being scum. I believe we have one mafia and an SK.
Are you okay with this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh right, scum loves when town seeks an unexistant SK.

And SK

loves

when town seeks a nonexistent mafia.

SALT

[Gamma Emerald]

You know I have the power to obvtown, right?

What's up here?

[Gamma Emerald]

BIRTH FACTIONS	CHOSEN FACTIONS
DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert	DAUNTLESS Ramcius Transcend Keyser Söze Lil Uzi Vert
ABNEGATION zakk Not_Mafia Ircher Mewtaph	ABNEGATION Creature Ircher Mewtaph
CANDOR Nero Cain Radiant Moonlight rb shos	CANDOR zakk alban shos
ERUDITE alban momo WhemeStar Creature	ERUDITE rb momo WhemeStar Nero Cain
AMITY Aristophanes Elena Fisher Srceenplay BTD6_maker	AMITY Radiant Moonlight Elena Fisher Srceenplay BTD6_maker

Updated and modified (no unflipped are green).

[Gamma Emerald]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

I read this, but I'm missing the context.

After reading this I like zakkslot a lot less.

[Gamma Emerald]

I claim compulsive bus driver.

I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.

okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.

there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.

ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction

so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.

@everyone: read this post

Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.
It could potentially be the post that solves the game.

[This is my first game with a bus driver in it].

Yea sure.

So, first; Screenplay was an unlikely target for night actions (imo)

, whereas Radiant Moonlight should have been a frickin' LIGHTNING ROD for night actions after pushing a super fast scum lynch on Aristophanes (townies should have suspected that it was a bussing play for early town-leader cred, so he should have been investigated, tracked, protected, etc., and also, scum should have probably tried to kill him).

Yet, he not only got targeted by Dauntless (care to explain why that was, by the way?), he ALSO allegedly got targeted by the scum bus driver.

There's four possibilities here:

1. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This would be EXTREMELY weird; why would they choose to bus drive Screenplay and RM? Makes no sense whatsoever. There was no reason to target Screenplay for anything like this, unless you KNEW he needed to be switched with someone, which would require scum in Dauntless, to tip off Ircher. We can discard this outright, in favor of option 4.

2. There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This doesn't really make sense; why would he claim this? To save himself? He was going down anyway, wouldn't have helped. To try to throw shade on RM? We had already seen RM lead a lynch on Aristophanes, why would we believe him (especially after he flipped scum) if he was trying to make RM look bad? We can safely discard this scenario as well.

3. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

This could be the case. It wouldn't be too much a stretch. Scum often lie while trying not to get lynched, or before twilight. But it requires leaps of logic, such as that Ircher made up the fact that they bussed Screenplay (why would he do that? it doesn't serve any purpose, as we went over in option 2), and, of course, this option pales in comparison to the last option...

4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.

I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):

- Whoever was scum in Dauntless found out that Screenplay was gonna be targeted.
- They were like "oh shit!" at first, then after discussing it a bit in the scum thread, they were like "wait wait wait, we all good m8, Ircher's a busdriver" and lol's abounded because they all thought they were gonna confuse the shit out of the town and send improper results about Screenplay to Dauntless.
- Then, Screenplay got lynched anyway, and they were like "SHIT MAN"... but "oh well... couldn't be avoided..." but then on the bright side, at least they still have a "mole" in the Dauntless faction, because (with conventional logic prevailing) why would any scum in the Dauntless faction allow Screenplay to be investigated? ... so, boom, town block in Dauntless, right? (or so we think).
- Shos turns results on Ircher saying he's scum. Ircher gets flash-wagoned. In the heat of the moment, he tries to save himself by doing an honest claim (in case shos wasn't being totally straightforward and it wasn't a COP result, just say, a tracker result or something, I guess) and says exactly what he did, in hopes of getting people to un-wagon a power role.

Note:

At this point, he doesn't realize he's basically blowing the cover of the Dauntless scum mole.
- Everybody's like "nahhhhh he's lying scum, lynch the bastard" and we write off what he says as scum flailing and lying and trying to confuse things.
- We ignore what he said for long enough that we forget about it... and never realize what it actually means... until now.
- zakk uncharacteristically eats his breakfast... and suddenly has super brain powers and realizes all this shit, and is super confident about it.

And now we're up to speed. I think.

About what zakk says, I have a thought about the bus drive. Since RM did something scummy, scum wanted the switch investigations on RM onto one their own so they would get lynched.

[Gamma Emerald]

In my home-site, the town:scum ratio for a balanced game is normally 4:1.

Typically
9 players- 7 town, 2 scum
12/13 players, 7/8 town, 3 scum
16 players- 12 town, 4 scum
20 players- 15 town, 5 scum
24 players- 18 town, 6 scum

While this has changed somewhat on this site over the years, it's still a pretty basic rule to follow.

Which means 2 left. And not coincidentally, there are 5 factions.

This is already stupid with just the facts: 2 scum started in Amity.
Also Keyser could you share your homesite?

[Gamma Emerald]

I finished my combined ISO of my PoE pool and I don't know who is mafia still but I think with some thought I can work it out. I kinda want to say Creature rn

[Kelvin Smith]

However if you all believe I'm scum or an SK, where is Kelvin's vote?

I think I'm the only one in the faction who has never agreed that you are scum or SK. I'm still unsure and I want to interact with you more when I have a chance.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: PeregrineV

Stop posting elsewhere and get your ass back in here.

This day is the most important day of the game.

Are you waiting to hammer LUV?

Catch-up / claim / whatever.

[Keyser Söze]

RE: LUV
LUV has always been my weakest town read within Dauntless (based on his in-game interactions). HOWEVER, his hammer vote on the Sreenplay Follow investigation was totally unnecessary as Mafia-scum. He could have just lurked out and not voted (I believe a majority vote was needed). He could have also told his Mafia teammate to only use his investigation PR and NOT perform the factional NK too. It's such utter shite scumplay if LUV is Mafia with them to needlessly guilty a powerful teammate (Screenplay could have got town cred for being investigated as only a cop).

Zak's theory of LUV being a mole did fascinate me, but the factional serums bypass player powers so I didn't fully buy the bus driver theory.


Right now I'd only lynch LUV as SK-scum, but I'd still need help there.

[Keyser Söze]

I had facts Keyser claimed vig. One shot vig claimed in hood. Hood explained likely gambit. I back off. Good night LUV.

I would have preferred to hear the claim from your own mouth, straight away.

I did not like the stalling... defensive deflection... seemed like you were trying to read up on what your previous slot had posted before committing to a claim. (something I have done as scum before)

But I'll have to forget this now and help you continue your catch-up, instead of you being on the defensive foot.

[shos]

LUV is Dauntless BTW
He would have leaked info on the serum to his team if he were scum, I'm sure of it. He's been around the mafia team block a couple of times, I'm certain he'd have known to do that, and even if not he would have had an entire scumteam. Srceenplay doesn't get blindsided by a faction with scum in it. LUV

might

be SK. So if you read him as SK, carry on, but people reading him as mafia are idiots.

he is an SK. there is no reason for a townie to argue that much and that long baselessly that there is no SK, only to eventually go "oh there were 3 kills oh then ur rite lol"

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point I'd say lynch PV, have Creature block LUV, play from there

[shos]

It doesn't make sense to not get the facts straight before coming in when you have something like that available to you. It prevents the confusion that you almost created earlier from happening.

it's a 150 pages game. stop making excuses for why he didn't do it right. if you are truly town, show me which one of the remaining pool is SK and scum.

[Kelvin Smith]

Can somebody make a claim list? Because I want to keep track of who has claimed what so that I can try to start eliminating suspects.

[shos]

I think PV is likely town due to rb being supertown. I'm p sure creature, gamma and LUV include all the scums remaining.

[Gamma Emerald]

GE: Uriah Pedrad, VT
Kelvin: Tris Prior, OS Vig
MathBlade: Natalie Prior, Ascetic Townie
Creature: Marcus Eaton, VT
LUV: Marlene ???, VT
PV: unclaimed
Shos: conftown
Keyser: Bernard ???, ???