Newbie 1795 | Summer | Endgame

[Tchill13]

Why didn't you scum hunt a lot before you're claim? I figured you were busy but because of how active you are during this discussion I'm not sure now.

[Not_Mafia]

Because there was less to scumhunt off

[Tchill13]

Alright. I'm done until new players get on to decide for themselves.

[Cece]

Ok wow lol, brill. One scum caught. Hooray!

Staying on NM. Read him as mafia before. Although I don't really understand the motivation of the scum here, either NM or tchill.

Also I read tchill's response to NM claiming - that is, checking if he's shitposting, then checking the BP strategy, then claiming, as town. I think perhaps scum would've been more cautious.

Just in case, in the intervening time between now and hammer, please nobody claim to support either of the two. We'll be lynching a scum either way, so, not optimal play hey.

[Cece]

*less cautious

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

So if someone claims BP can we take turns claiming jail keeper then tracker to make sure he's telling the truth? I'm not a fan of his game up until this point.

I'm counterclaiming.

Dude. This was a terrible way to counterclaim.

Why didn't you say so immediately?

NM is getting lynched today. But I agree we wait for Zito to share his thoughts.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

I've just laid out for you why he would and you're willfully ignoring it because people are conditioned to just automatically side the CCer, which is exactly the reaction Tchill wants.

Let me turn it around, if I'm scum, why would I claim?

Because you were under pressure and probably were going to have to claim anyway.

You took a gamble and it didn't work.

I don't see a newbie counterclaiming as scum here.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

After reading everything I'm just going to hammer. There's no point in dragging this. Zito is on VLA anyway

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Not_Mafia]

Woeful performance by town, sacrificed a near guaranteed win by not listening. It's probably tchill and Fykus, but look at jjh as well and his absurd stubbornness and complete lack of response to anything I was saying.

[jjh927]

"Waah nobody agreed with me"

Your arguments were close to terrible and your general tone was obnoxious. If you're town here you need to work on your people skills

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 1.10 - FINAL

Not_Mafia

(5): Cece, Cero68, Tchill13, Fykus, Arnold Schwarzenegger (LYNCH)

Cero68

(1): Papa Zito

Tchill13

(1): Not_Mafia

Fykus

(1): Kawl

Not Voting

(1): jjh927

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-21 13:30:00)

[PenguinPower]

Day 1 Lynch

Not_Mafia,

Mafia Goon

, Lynched Day 1

Night 1 begins now and will last for 48 hours, or for (expired on 2017-05-17 06:00:00)

[PenguinPower]

Night 1 Kill

Fykus

,

Town Doctor

,

has been killed!

Day 2 Begins

[PenguinPower]

Vote Count 2.01

Not Voting

(7): Arnold Schwarzenegger, jjh927, Kawl, Cero68, Tchill13, Cece, Papa Zito

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-05-31 12:00:00)

[jjh927]

Shit, I was gonna start pushing Fykus now.

We are in setup 2. Tchill must be a cop based on how he could counterclaim NM and he is not a doctor, as Fykus was the doctor.

Tchill is conftown but sadly will not be doing anything else since he'll be roleblocked every night.

VOTE: Papa Zito

[Kawl]

So Not Mafia makes that claim knowing 100% that someone will be able to counterclaim him. That just doesn't make sense.

[jjh927]

Holy shit you're right, this creates a contradiction in NM's motive

[jjh927]

I mean, if this whole thing is an elaborate scum V scum ploy then they just failed it by hitting a PR N1, so I'm still not gonna consider that unless someone counterclaims Tchill- in which case town win.

[jjh927]

Think about what we know regardless of motive shit though. We are in either setup C or setup 2, because of the doctor flip. Tchill is a PR. If Tchill was tracker, then he couldn't have counterclaimed BP. Therefore, It's setup 2 and Tchill is a cop, and scum have a roleblocker.

Conclusion: Not Mafia is bad at mafia.


Aside note: I would be pushing the hell out of Fykus right now because he was the first to ask if NM was shitposting, which with the benefit of the lynch's flip seemed like an escape hatch. However, doctor!Fykus had a very good reason to check that it was not shitposting. His reaction there was likely what gave him away to scum.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Did I miss Fykus softing somewhere? Cause that kill makes no sense at all.

[jjh927]

I checked his iso. There's nothing. I'm thinking scum must be someone who was able to piece it together from how Fykus asked if NM was shitposting.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

I am the one shot bulletproof

is this a real claim or are you just shitposting?

I could see this as a possible reason maybe? He immediately doubted the claim, which is an indication he knew it couldn't be true.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

claiming BP doesn't make any sense to me though. If he had been CC-ed by the actual BP, he would have been lynched and they would have had no idea who the JK was.

[jjh927]

This is why I'm currently down for lynching the IC.

PEdit: Not Mafia's actions clearly make no sense whatsoever, as we must be in setup 2, meaning scum knew BP was not a safeclaim. I don't think it's worth discussing how bad claiming BP there was.

On the other hand, it seems to have netted scum both PRs, but we got a day 1 scum lynch so it's still very much worth imo.

[Papa Zito]

Catching up on stuff.